Western Self Loathing

LowDown · Jun 24, 2018

Something very deep has rooted itself in the West, a civilization-killing disease of the mind, for which no amount of charity, submission, or moralizing is sufficient to extirpate. At no point may a Westerner regard his moral duty as satisfied. No amount of charity is sufficient, no flood of government programs, nor burden of taxation or public penitence will extinguish the disease. Indeed, these only worsen the symptoms.

If the disease is to be named, I can think of no other more suitable than Civilizational Self-Loathing. Pride in the West’s accomplishments was reduced to guilt for the West’s success. And now the guilt has mutated into self-hate. Ceaselessly, we are bombarded with declarations of how evil we are, how our ancestors did terrible wrongs, and how we are responsible for righting the wrongs, for paying a weregild with the death of our own evil civilization. Anything less is a moral evil, we are told. Give up America. Give up existence. Crawl into a hole and die, and give up everything you own, and even then you are still guilty and hateful.

In my opinion there is a cure for this Western cultural self loathing. It is to stop looking back on history with shame and to reject those who say we should do so as evil aggressors who speak in bad faith. The past does hold tragic stories, but it also holds stories of hope and great progress. The left thinks that if the West commits suicide that it can rule over the ruins. Reject the left with its group guilt. Reject liberals of the left and right. Embrace "make your own damn bed and clean up your room" and "hold your head up high". Embrace "It's a hierarchy, and, yeah, I'm on top, or will be. Deal with it." Embrace the "don't give a ****" vitality of Make America Great Again.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

LowDown said:
In my opinion there is a cure for this Western cultural self loathing. It is to stop looking back on history with shame and to reject those who say we should do so as evil aggressors who speak in bad faith. The past does hold tragic stories, but it also holds stories of hope and great progress. The left thinks that if the West commits suicide that it can rule over the ruins. Reject the left with its group guilt. Reject liberals of the left and right. Embrace "make your own damn bed and clean up your room" and "hold your head up high". Embrace "It's a hierarchy, and, yeah, I'm on top, or will be. Deal with it." Embrace the "don't give a ****" vitality of Make America Great Again.

Another Conservative scam,to blame the left for all the evils of the world.
Played out nonsense.

Tigerace117 · Jun 24, 2018

LowDown said:
In my opinion there is a cure for this Western cultural self loathing. It is to stop looking back on history with shame and to reject those who say we should do so as evil aggressors who speak in bad faith. The past does hold tragic stories, but it also holds stories of hope and great progress. The left thinks that if the West commits suicide that it can rule over the ruins. Reject the left with its group guilt. Reject liberals of the left and right. Embrace "make your own damn bed and clean up your room" and "hold your head up high". Embrace "It's a hierarchy, and, yeah, I'm on top, or will be. Deal with it." Embrace the "don't give a ****" vitality of Make America Great Again.

You complain about how the West hates itself , then endorse an ideology whose basic premise is that America sucks and only a draft dodger who said avoiding STDs was “his Vietnam” can make it “great again”.

What a joke.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

The hidden power behind America has always been, "The Age of the Gentiles".
When the Age of the Gentiles ends,so does America as we knew it.
What time is it?

HowardBThiname · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
Another Conservative scam,to blame the left for all the evils of the world.
Played out nonsense.

I think you missed the point of the OP.

Actually, I know you did.

ecofarm · Jun 24, 2018

thedeclination.com?

If one tells sky-falling stories, one ought not be named Chicken Little.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

HowardBThiname said:
I think you missed the point of the OP.

Actually, I know you did.

Actually,you're quite mistaken:doh

HowardBThiname · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
The hidden power behind America has always been, "The Age of the Gentiles".
When the Age of the Gentiles ends,so does America as we knew it.

What time is it?

Time for you to quit practicing prophesy. You're not very good at it.

HowardBThiname · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
Actually,you're quite mistaken:doh

Nah, your second post in the thread confirmed it.

:mrgreen:

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

HowardBThiname said:
Time for you to quit practicing prophesy. You're not very good at it.

AM I,I AM's,AM I

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

HowardBThiname said:
Nah, your second post in the thread confirmed it.

:mrgreen:

Thank you for your opinion.
"Many are called,few are Chosen".
Numbers 22:22 There's only one Catch

Port & Starboard · Jun 24, 2018

Tigerace117 said:
You complain about how the West hates itself , then endorse an ideology whose basic premise is that America sucks and only a draft dodger who said avoiding STDs was “his Vietnam” can make it “great again”.

What a joke.

Well, it was either him or the woman who said she landed under sniper fire, and made fun of Indian gas station owners.

Not much of a choice...……. was there?

America gets what it asks for.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
Well, it was either him or the woman who said she landed under sniper fire, and made fun of Indian gas station owners.

Not much of a choice...……. was there?

America gets what it asks for.

You prefer Mr Bone Spur?

LowDown · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
Actually,you're quite mistaken:doh

No, he's quite right. Rejecting you now.

LowDown · Jun 24, 2018

Tigerace117 said:
You complain about how the West hates itself , then endorse an ideology whose basic premise is that America sucks and only a draft dodger who said avoiding STDs was “his Vietnam” can make it “great again”.

What a joke.

Good point. Rejecting you now.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

LowDown said:
No, he's quite right. Rejecting you now.

Another county heard from

Port & Starboard · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
You prefer Mr Bone Spur?

I prefer someone else altogether from the two picks for president.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
I prefer someone else altogether from the two picks for president.

Me too!We don't have that option.

ALiberalModerate · Jun 24, 2018

LowDown said:
In my opinion there is a cure for this Western cultural self loathing. It is to stop looking back on history with shame and to reject those who say we should do so as evil aggressors who speak in bad faith. The past does hold tragic stories, but it also holds stories of hope and great progress. The left thinks that if the West commits suicide that it can rule over the ruins. Reject the left with its group guilt. Reject liberals of the left and right. Embrace "make your own damn bed and clean up your room" and "hold your head up high". Embrace "It's a hierarchy, and, yeah, I'm on top, or will be. Deal with it." Embrace the "don't give a ****" vitality of Make America Great Again.

That blog article is utter nonsense, take this gem:

That did not last long. Before long, Marxist subversion had wormed its way into media, entertainment, and education. Fabian Socialism was the method of subverting the West, for revolutionary Socialism had already failed. For a time, this was probably a deliberate instrument of the Soviets. We won the Cold War in an economic sense, and probably in a military sense as well, though nuclear weapons assured that this was never put to the final test. In a sociological sense, both sides lost, though for us the loss was worse. If the Soviet Union was the head of the Marxist animal, it was lopped off effectively. Like the Hydra, however, the body did not die, and new heads eventually sprang from the seeming-corpse.

For 99% of the world, Marxism is indeed dead. We actually won the cold war more in a sociological sense than even the economic sense. Russians and the Chinese embraced everything about western culture. Go to China today, you will see western brands everywhere, people walking everywhere carrying iphones, streets full of Buicks and Volkswagens, and more entrepreneurship than has ever existed in the United States.

As to "white guilt" or whatever you want to call it, the vast, vast majority of people are far too concerned with their own lives to give such notions more than a passing thought at best.

Finally, the biggest factor in Trumps support, which never even approached Romney's support as he won with a lower percentage than Romney lost with (he just ran against a terrible candidate), is old fashioned tribalism. The country is getting more and more diverse and that worries some people. That is hardly self loathing or some decline of the west though.

As to this guy's blog, the comments of the article tell you all you need to know, his blog is read by a bunch of conspiracy theorist nutjobs.

cabse5 · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
Me too!We don't have that option <of having another choice for prez other than Hillary or Trump in the 2016> .

If you're dem, blame your Democratic Party for rigging the primary for Hillary. If you're not dem, your candidate had a fair chance but lost because of lack of support.

Trump had every chance to fail in the primary. Traditional GOPs could've seen to that by rigging their primary like the dems did.

Mach · Jun 24, 2018

Broad brush attempt to demonize liberals, by posting yet another link to right-wing extremist propaganda? Say it isn't so, LowDown!

I loathe your post.

Mizzy22 · Jun 24, 2018

cabse5 said:
If you're dem, blame your Democratic Party for rigging the primary for Hillary. If you're not dem, your candidate had a fair chance but lost because of lack of support.

Trump had every chance to fail in the primary. Traditional GOPs could've seen to that by rigging their primary like the dems did.

That's all in the past,we have to deal with the hand we have now!
A immoral narcissist,who can't be trusted around women,with a Hitler complex.

cabse5 · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
That's all in the past, we have to deal with the hand we have now!
A immoral narcissist, who can't be trusted around women, with a Hitler complex.

cabse5 said:
I find the bullying claims of racism or Nazism to be well blown out of proportion and meaningless. Maybe not in the world of Chicken Little, though...

This.

Harshaw · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
The hidden power behind America has always been, "The Age of the Gentiles".
When the Age of the Gentiles ends,so does America as we knew it.
What time is it?

:unsure13:

cabse5 · Jun 24, 2018

Mizzy22 said:
The hidden power behind America has always been, "The Age of the Gentiles".
When the Age of the Gentiles ends,so does America as we knew it.
What time is it?

Muslims are considered gentiles, too.

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