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Western Media on China (and others): "But at what cost?"

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If you trace the history of the opioid epidemic in the United States, it all began shortly after we toppled the Government of Afghanistan.

Just sayin...
 
If you trace the history of the opioid epidemic in the United States, it all began shortly after we toppled the Government of Afghanistan.

Just sayin...

Indeed, as opium production involves Northern Alliance drug pushers and rapists.
 
China is done.

China is done with what?

While the US has been wasting trillions on stupid wars and occupying countries China has been investing in their future by building up Africa and South America and to a lesser extend Latin America. While we in the US look at those places and see shitholes, China sees future customers.
 

More likely, China sees ‘developing nations’ as resources to be exploited.
 
More likely, China sees ‘developing nations’ as resources to be exploited.

Yes, they are like us in that regard. The biggest difference is they do not try to change the country in to their image while doing so. They are now reaping/exploiting the resources of Afghanistan and they will likely have successes where the rest have failed as they do not care what the Taliban does to its own people as long as it does not interfere with them
 

They aren‘t like our government, because our government is intent on trying to ‘manage’ the entire country (nation building?), rather than simply using (renting?) a portion of it for our advantage.
 
The biggest difference is that China's loans are not made through the IMF. China is making its own Belt-And-Road initiative loans and they are having major lenders' remorse. When they make a loan to some poor African country that can't repay it, they send in a team to extract concessions. They were able to gain control of a port in Sri Lanka that way.

But in most African countries, they literally get laughed out of the room. The borrowing country will say this was a "investment partnership", not a "loan" and China has to renegotiate on unfavorable terms or even just forgive the loan.


But that's not the reason China is done. They are done because they face about 6 looming catastrophic country-ending events:
  • Demographic collapse which has been discussed to death (no pun intended). China will run out of enough workers, and enough consumers in a decade when the Cultural Revolution generation retires.
  • No more US navy patrolling the world's oceans keeping the world safe for free trade. China imports 80% of its energy and most of its food.
  • Hostile nations on the primary trade routes. China's oil comes from the Middle East. India (which is our ally, not China;s) all by itself has a navy that could stop those supertankers and cause 500 million people in China to starve and freeze in six months. And even if they don't do it, the Malaysians could close the Malacca straights to Chinese shipping. Or Indonesia could blockade the Jakarta straights. No country in the entire world is as dependent on the good will of other countries as China. And they've done little to build up that good will. In fact the opposite is mote true.
  • A fast-approaching debt crisis that will bankrupt China.
  • Covid made the world realize that China manufacturing is not reliable, That plus the fact that Chinese labor is too expensive now, means companies are pulling out of China as fast as they can. The next decade will be a golden age for US and North American reshoring manufacturing while China is going to lose both their manufacturing base and their customers.
  • Their entire government is now a one-man show. Xi purged everyone who could even remotely challenge him and is now another Mao. Even if Xi were the smartest guy who ever lived, one guy can't solve all of China's problems. And Xi ain't that smart to begin with.
 


The port in Sri Lanka was built by taking loans from China. Sri Lanka was not forced to build the port, its government was not changed by China. The deal for the port is a lease for 99 tear and just covers the port, not the land around it, it is still within Sri Lankan jurisdiction unlike Gitmo, Hong Kong etc
 
But done so at market rates

It does not invade, change the government to exploit them. Unlike Europe or the US
The US has decreasing interest in trying to change other countries. I don't think that's a good thing, but it's happening.

Franky, the US doesn't need the rest of the world. North America is now self-sufficient in energy and food and most things that we need. Regionalism is replacing globalism and we will keep the sea lanes open for our shipping and a short list of our close allies (Mexico, Canada, Japan, UK, France). The rest of the world is on its own.
 
Or Sri Lanka could repudiate that deal and kick the Chinese out the same way Nassar kicked the Soviets out after they built him that nice big dam in Aswan.

China just doesn't have the ability to project power globally like the US or Imperial Britain could. They are a regional force in the Far East and that's about it.
 


The US still interferes with many countries, trying to change governments policies etc. It has tried or has changed governments in Latin America at least 3 times in the last 12 years.

Honderous, Bolivia, Venezuela
 
The US still interferes with many countries, trying to change governments policies etc. It has tried or has changed governments in Latin America at least 3 times in the last 12 years.

Honderous, Bolivia, Venezuela

Obviously, not all change results in progress.
 


China has been very supportive of Sri Lanka,

It gets a port built at low cost, it does not need to worry if the port is profitable, it does not need to pay to maintain it. Win for Sri Lanka overall
 
The US still interferes with many countries, trying to change governments policies etc. It has tried or has changed governments in Latin America at least 3 times in the last 12 years.

Honderous, Bolivia, Venezuela
The Monroe doctrine is not going away anytime soon.

And are you seriously argue that Venezuela's government is just fine the way it is? That the US and other countries shouldn't try to overturn the current regime?
 
When it comes to US enforced changes most are negative

The question is: negative for who? If I can make a ‘negative’ change to my competition, that’s a ‘positive’ change for me.
 
China has been very supportive of Sri Lanka,

It gets a port built at low cost, it does not need to worry if the port is profitable, it does not need to pay to maintain it. Win for Sri Lanka overall
Because the minute it stopped being a win, Sri Lanka would send the China packing.
 
The Monroe doctrine is not going away anytime soon.

And are you seriously argue that Venezuela's government is just fine the way it is? That the US and other countries shouldn't try to overturn the current regime?


The US has spent the last 25 years trying to destroy Venezuela, because it tried to use its natural resources to help all Venezuelans like Norway. Had the US left it alone it would be much better off
 
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