Were the incredibly inaccurate polls an attempt at voter suppression?

[TurtleDude]

That's what people losing arguments do. Pick apart one portion of evidence provided and ignore the rest. As long as it helps their narrative.

Bye, now!

its hilarious, you all were whining about how Trump won in 2016 and you now deny obvious fact.

 

[vesper]

Any poll associated with a media outlet the third arm of the Democratic Party was nothing more than an attempt to suppress voters. The same third arm that refused to vet Joe Biden. They refused to report corruption stories involving the Biden family. Stories backed with hardcore evidence and witnesses yet if an anonymous person told a tale about Trump these media outlets covered it non-stop with no proof it was even factual. Our media no longer does their job and investigate, they just repeat Democratic talking points.

 

[TurtleDude]

Any poll associated with a media outlet the third arm of the Democratic Party was nothing more than an attempt to suppress voters. The same third arm that refused to vet Joe Biden. They refused to report corruption stories involving the Biden family. Stories backed with hardcore evidence and witnesses yet if an anonymous person told a tale about Trump these media outlets covered it non-stop with no proof it was even factual. Our media no longer does their job and investigate, they just repeat Democratic talking points.

ask any of the Bidenites if the MSM was in the Biden camp, they will ridicule you or deny the obvious.

 

[lurchadams]

its hilarious, you all were whining about how Trump won in 2016 and you now deny obvious fact.

Sounds like all the whining's being done by you, my misguided friend with your bashit "the Democrats are using polls to cheat!" malarkey

 

[TurtleDude]

Sounds like all the whining's being done by you, my misguided friend with your bashit "the Democrats are using polls to cheat!" malarkey

well lets see how honest you are. do you deny that that MSM and big tech were actively aiding Biden? that he could hide in the Basement because they were campaigning for him?

 

[Lursa]

Several polls claimed Biden was 17 points ahead of Trump in Wisconsin. Some other polls greatly overstated any lead Biden may have had. Was this due to bad data, or was it intentional?

I dont know but just asking the question (and you're not the first) implies that Republican voters were cowed by predictions of large numbers of Democratic voters.

That's pretty sad. They just rolled over and showed their bellies? Gave up?

 

[TurtleDude]

I dont know but just asking the question (and you're not the first) implies that Republican voters were cowed by predictions of large numbers of Democratic voters.

That's pretty sad. They just rolled over and showed their bellies? Gave up?

You seem to think everyone is as invested in politics as the people on this board.

 

[beefheart]

Why did you start out this thread with an obvious lie?

Well....I mean....
You get it...

 

[lurchadams]

well lets see how honest you are. do you deny that that MSM and big tech were actively aiding Biden? that he could hide in the Basement because they were campaigning for him?

Biden's speaking right now, TD. Listen to him! This is how a true statesman behaves. That trumpists could sacrifice their integrity and patriotism as they have the past 4 years and supported a manic demigod is beyond me, but it's happened, and looking at posts like yours, it's still ****ing happening.

Your posts and your dishonest arguments in a naked attempt to vilify the other side just because you're butthurt is very disappointing.

 

[radioman]

at least he lost. FFS, four extra years of that reality tv show debacle would have been worse than a cop rock marathon.

No kidding.
Cop Rock only lasted 11 episodes.
The TrumpShow lasted 4 long years.
Fortunately, TrumpShow has been cancelled.
I expect a TrumpShow revival tour is coming soon.
As soon as Trump finds a way to make a buck off it.

PS: What kind of human being remembers Cop Rock anyway? LOL

 

[Lursa]

You seem to think everyone is as invested in politics as the people on this board.

??? I responded directly to your OP question.

How would that supposed 'strategy' work if it didnt intimidate Republican voters? Get them to just give up?

If that's not it...please explain the 'suppression' theory?

 

[TurtleDude]

Biden's speaking right now, TD. Listen to him! This is how a true statesman behaves. That trumpists could sacrifice their integrity and patriotism as they have the past 4 year and supported a manic demigod is beyond me, but it's happened, and looking at posts like yours, it's still ****ing happening.

Your posts and your dishonest arguments in a naked attempt to vilify the other side just because you're butthurt is very disappointing.

What was the purpose of that speech? He was braying about showing us how to do a recovery-The unemployment rate is under 7% despite a horrific epidemic that appeared at the best possible time to help Biden. He doesn't have much of a mandate given how thin so many states were and the fact that the dems lost congressional seats. He brays about the most votes ever-but Trump received more votes than Obama did. So BFD.

 

[skeptic llc]

I voted other, as a stand in for "I have no idea." Unlike many posters, I agree that the polls were FAR FAR off, *and* that the discrepancy could cause reasonable people to wonder/speculate. I guess I'm just not mentally ready to try to figure out what conclusions to draw until all the dust has settled. For example, I can see lots of reasons for Trump to draw historic turnout among those who agree with him -- but when final numbers and all the info are in, is that alone enough to explain why polls got it so wrong? If not, then I don't see it as unreasonable to ask whether pollsters' own leanings made them shade things one way or another based on political preference. It's a longshot for sure, but not out of the real of possibility IMHO.

 

[TurtleDude]

No kidding.
Cop Rock only lasted 11 episodes.
The TrumpShow lasted 4 long years.
Fortunately, TrumpShow has been cancelled.
I expect a TrumpShow revival tour is coming soon.
As soon as Trump finds a way to make a buck off it.

I look forward to what is 2 years of Mitch killing any Biden desired legislation. I look forward to the USSC slapping down some dem nonsense. I see Manchin joining with the GOP on several main issues. Furthermore, I see the GOP gaining in the senate and taking back the house in 2022 and then the gloves come off. It will be interesting to see if Biden's even around in two years as President. I sort of doubt it. The stress of the presidency is going to rip him up

 

[dex4974]

I've never paid much attention to polls.

 

[lurchadams]

What was the purpose of that speech? He was braying about showing us how to do a recovery-The unemployment rate is under 7% despite a horrific epidemic that appeared at the best possible time to help Biden. He doesn't have much of a mandate given how thin so many states were and the fact that the dems lost congressional seats. He brays about the most votes ever-but Trump received more votes than Obama did. So BFD.

Yeah, you're being obtuse. Listen to him! His speech was all about calming and unity. He spoke with empathy about those both who voted for him and against him. He expressed empathy for the people and families suffering from covid-related issues.

When trump speaks, he's just like you: It's all about vilifying the other side, whining about all who've wronged him and getting revenge against all his political enemies

 

[Logician Man]

What was the purpose of that speech? He was braying about showing us how to do a recovery-The unemployment rate is under 7% despite a horrific epidemic that appeared at the best possible time to help Biden. He doesn't have much of a mandate given how thin so many states were and the fact that the dems lost congressional seats. He brays about the most votes ever-but Trump received more votes than Obama did. So BFD.

There was no braying. That is indisputable.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yeah, you're being obtuse. Listen to him! His speech was all about calming and unity. He spoke with empathy about those both who voted for him and against him. He expressed empathy for the people and families suffering from covid-related issues.

When trump speaks, he's just like you: It's all about vilifying the other side, whining about all who've wronged him and getting revenge against all his political enemies

He was braying about having a mandate. I find that BS. Why isn't he releasing his COVID plans now-he claims he has won

 

[radioman]

I donated to the Biden campaign a few times, so I was constantly bombarded with SMS messages from them. They were overwhelmingly negative, many of them with links to polls that favored Trump with messages like "OH NOES, TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN [insert battleground state] IF YOU DON'T DONATE RIGHT NOW!", or "WE'RE GOING TO CRY, NO ONE IS DONATING TO [insert Democrat up for reelection]!!". I feel like they tried to cast a negative outlook to make people feel like they had to donate.

That sounds familiar.
As a registered Republican, I've been similarly bombarded with Trump campaign emails.
As many as 20 per day.......the offer of 800% matching my donation was my personal favorite.
The fundraising still continues.
Today, Eric Trump lambasted me for not responding to their requests for money.
Sad.

 

[skeptic llc]

He doesn't have much of a mandate ...

Taking issue with this part TD. "Mandate" is old world thinking IMHO. Trump had zero mandate -- ZERO. He lost the popular vote, meaning most voters didn't want him as president, and got repudiated in the 2018 elections. Still, he and his allies (enablers) grabbed absolutely everything they legally could, such as trying to set SCOTUS for a generation. The new rules are to do absolutely everything the law allows to advance your side when you can, plus everything the law doesn't allow but where you either won't get caught or have enough senators on your side to get away with it. Turnabout is fair play.

While I despise this new set of "rules" Rs have ushered in, I will never feel sorry for them OR think there is some sort of need for a president to have a subjective "mandate" in order to do everything (s)he can get away with to screw the other side and advance her/his own. I could not be more disappointed that your side did this to our nation when no one could stop them. But they did, and that bell can't be unrung. Shame on all Trump enablers, we all now pay the price with a dramatically less noble nation. But none of that means I will ever forget which group of people cared nothing about America and used their time in power to "own" their opponents and disgrace our country.

 

[BlueTex]

If a record number of people voting is evidence of voter suppression then I would say the suppression sucked really bad.

 

[skeptic llc]

He was braying about having a mandate. I find that BS. Why isn't he releasing his COVID plans now-he claims he has won

I think he is just being polite to a defeated foe. Since Trump's tax returns have been in line for release for 4 years, and his health care plan for I don't know how long, Biden doesn't want to steal his predecessor's moment in the sun when the long-promised releases actually occur.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think he is just being polite to a defeated foe. Since Trump's tax returns have been in line for release for 4 years, and his health care plan for I don't know how long, Biden doesn't want to steal his predecessor's moment in the sun when the long-promised releases actually occur.

you won't ever see his tax returns-whether Biden wins or not

 

[What if...?]

Several polls claimed Biden was 17 points ahead of Trump in Wisconsin. Some other polls greatly overstated any lead Biden may have had. Was this due to bad data, or was it intentional?

If Russian influence campaigns have no effect on elections, fake polls don't either.

Both would be psychological.manipulation.

Dismiss one and the other is dismissed automatically.

 

[skeptic llc]

you won't ever see his tax returns-whether Biden wins or not

You Trump haters are all the same. He said we'll see them, so we'll see them. His word is his bond.