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Were Shape Charges Use In The World Trade Center Collapes?

Were Shape Charges Used In The World Trade Center Collapse?


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Getting More Than One Bargained For

"Getting More Than One Bargained For"
I have a question for you nuts: If the government wanted to use explosives to bring down the World Trade Center, why wouldn't they just use explosives and blame it on al-Qaeda? Why would they need the airplanes at all? :confused:
Explosives would have required access to secure areas.
Secret crimes are best committed alone and anonymous.
One of the biggest flaws of these conspiracy theories - aside from the obvious belief that the government has godlike powers - is that they rarely have any kind of logical motive.
Some of this is about religion.
Do you remember the first hill, this is a war on terrorism and not islam.
Islam smizlam, but the average US citizen would not pursue it otherwise.

Further, I have neither stated that the government was involved nor concluded that any explosives were detonated.
Some feel compelled by innocence to seek exhonoration while others in doing so reveal their own guilt.
 
Re: Getting More Than One Bargained For

"Getting More Than One Bargained For"
Explosives would have required access to secure areas.
Secret crimes are best committed alone and anonymous.

Umm last I checked, boarding an airplane required access to secure areas too.

You didn't answer the question. What's the deal with the airplanes, if the government meant to bring the towers down with explosives? Obviously they can't require THAT much access, since someone managed to use explosives on the World Trade Center in 1993. Or was that a big conspiracy with a massive coverup too?

Monk-Eye said:
Some of this is about religion.
Do you remember the first hill, this is a war on terrorism and not islam.
Islam smizlam, but the average US citizen would not pursue it otherwise.

So the US government engineered this massive conspiracy...to fight Islam? Why?

Monk-Eye said:
Further, I have neither stated that the government was involved nor concluded that any explosives were detonated.
Some feel compelled by innocence to seek exhonoration while others in doing so reveal their own guilt.

Oh bullshit. Your "maybe they did, maybe they didn't" attitude is just as ridiculous as ashurbanipal's. All of the evidence points to the conclusion that there was no such conspiracy. You sound like the anti-semites who claim that "there's no conclusive evidence either way" about the Holocaust. :roll:
 
Background Checks

"Background Checks"
Umm last I checked, boarding an airplane required access to secure areas too.
:confused:

You didn't answer the question. What's the deal with the airplanes, if the government meant to bring the towers down with explosives?
The conspiracy is not that the government had the planes hijacked in order to detonate explosives, rather that the hijack was not averted and the explosives added to ensure the final effect.

Obviously they can't require THAT much access, since someone managed to use explosives on the World Trade Center in 1993. Or was that a big conspiracy with a massive coverup too?
The 1993 explosion was a truck bomb in the basement garage, such notions were rarely suspected.

Here is some baseless, directionless, insinuation of association, propanda, just because it exists.
Marvin Pierce Bush (born October 22, 1956) is the youngest son of George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce, and brother of George W., John (Jeb), Neil and Dorothy.
From 1993 until June 2000, he was on the board of directors of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formarly known as Securacom),[1] which had contracts to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, and the World Trade Center. The Securacom/Stratesec company was publicly traded and backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corporation. In 1996, Marvin Bush had 53,000 shares in the company's stock he bought at 52 cents a share. In 1997 the stock sold for $8.50 a share. Marvin Bush was no longer listed as a shareholder by the end of 2000.

So the US government engineered this massive conspiracy...to fight Islam? Why?
Does islam has grown into a pervasive and retarded agressor of the free world suffice?
If that does not carry enough credence add the eschatology of the religious right and neoconservativism.

Oh bullshit. Your "maybe they did, maybe they didn't" attitude is just as ridiculous as ashurbanipal's. All of the evidence points to the conclusion that there was no such conspiracy. You sound like the anti-semites who claim that "there's no conclusive evidence either way" about the Holocaust. :roll:
So the government has the right to dig in the @$$ of its citizens but dare they inquire about it?
:joke: :spam: :devil:
 
Re: Getting More Than One Bargained For

"Some of this is about religion.
Do you remember the first hill, this is a war on terrorism and not islam.
Islam smizlam, but the average US citizen would not pursue it otherwise.

I would say precisely the opposite is the case. The average US citizen would pursue it equally if it was nationalism, communism, nazism, imperialism or islamism, regardless. And you never heard anyone claiming communism "is peace". Because it is a religion, it is given a pass by many.
 
Re: Background Checks

The conspiracy is not that the government had the planes hijacked in order to detonate explosives, rather that the hijack was not averted and the explosives added to ensure the final effect.

Oh I see. So al-Qaeda really IS an organization that hates America. But somehow, the US government found out about the plan (including the exact date and time it was to occur), then decided "Hey, that's a great idea! Let's give these guys a hand!"

Do you not see how ridiculous this is?

Monk-Eye said:
The 1993 explosion was a truck bomb in the basement garage, such notions were rarely suspected.

What's your point? Obviously someone bombed the World Trade Center before without minimal or no security clearance.

Monk-Eye said:
Here is some baseless, directionless, insinuation of association, propanda, just because it exists.

I'm completely bewildered by what you're even TRYING to prove here.

Monk-Eye said:
Does islam has grown into a pervasive and retarded agressor of the free world suffice?

Umm no. Because if this big conspiracy had been uncovered by, say, the New York Times instead of the various UFO blogs, it would've hugely DAMAGED the case for this "war on Islam." Even moreso than if the attack had never occurred at all.

Monk-Eye said:
If that does not carry enough credence add the eschatology of the religious right and neoconservativism.

I see. So in other words, it was all for Jesus. :lol:

Monk-Eye said:
So the government has the right to dig in the @$$ of its citizens but dare they inquire about it?
:joke: :spam: :devil:

You can inquire all you want. Just like I have the right to inquire about your stupid conspiracy theories and expose the HUNDREDS of logical fallacies inherent in these arguments.
 
Re: Background Checks

Further, I have neither stated that the government was involved nor concluded that any explosives were detonated.



The conspiracy is not that the government had the planes hijacked in order to detonate explosives, rather that the hijack was not averted and the explosives added to ensure the final effect.

Sooo did your views change in 43 minutes time or were you just pointing out that you had not YET "stated" or 'concluded" your views? Now that you have, was there some significance to the fact that you had not yet stated them?
 
Say Cheese

"Say Cheese"
Oh I see. So al-Qaeda really IS an organization that hates America. But somehow, the US government found out about the plan (including the exact date and time it was to occur), then decided "Hey, that's a great idea! Let's give these guys a hand!"
Do you not see how ridiculous this is?
Hero, the US had warnings from intelligence sources that an attack was imminent and it could come in the form of hijacked airplanes.
If you believe surveillance could not have had a bead on the plans you are missing good sense.
The same is presumed true of Pearl Harbor.
What's your point? Obviously someone bombed the World Trade Center before without minimal or no security clearance.
You said that tight security was in place at the time of the first bombing. Keep up.
I'm completely bewildered by what you're even TRYING to prove here.
Just wondering if the "sneak and peak" provisions of the Patriot Act are available to the american public.
Umm no. Because if this big conspiracy had been uncovered by, say, the New York Times instead of the various UFO blogs, it would've hugely DAMAGED the case for this "war on Islam." Even moreso than if the attack had never occurred at all.
How would the conspiracy be uncovered? Bush was on vacation for 30 days prior.
The most anyone could be found guilty of is neglect.
I see. So in other words, it was all for Jesus. :lol:
Do not underestimate some people's motivation, or their desire for control.
You can inquire all you want. Just like I have the right to inquire about your stupid conspiracy theories and expose the HUNDREDS of logical fallacies inherent in these arguments.
Verily, the only person forthcoming with facts thus far has been Trajan Octavian Titus.
As myself, he may be looking into the Jenga.
 
Bait And Switch

"Bait And Switch"
Sooo did your views change in 43 minutes time or were you just pointing out that you had not YET "stated" or 'concluded" your views? Now that you have, was there some significance to the fact that you had not yet stated them?
You lost me.
I stated the only reasonable conspiracy theory possible in my mind, that it was allowed to happen and possibly accentuated for effect.

Now, a labotomy.
Planning of the September 11, 2001 attacks # War Games Paralleled Attacks

When a private or commercial aircraft moves significantly off its flight plan, it is a US legal requirement that fighter planes be sent up to investigate. Between September 2000 and June 2001, the US military launched fighter aircraft — able to be airborne within eight minutes[26] — on 67 occasions in order to intercept suspicious flights.[27]

On September 11, the first hijacking was confirmed by 8:20 a.m.; the second, by 8:42 a.m.; and the third was known of by 8:50 a.m.. The first plane struck the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m. followed by the second plane at 9:03 a.m.; yet not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m..

Vigilant Guardian was a nationwide, CINCNORAD-sponsored, CJCS/CDS-approved, system-wide Command Post Exercise (CPX) involving HQ NORAD, NORAD regions and sectors and their supporting units.[36] It was coordinated between multiple radar sites across the United States and Canada and one element involved a simulated attack coming from across the North Pole.[37] September 11th 2001 was day-two of the Vigilant Guardian exercise, and simulated an imaginary crisis occurring at North American Air defense outposts nationwide. FAA and military officials reported trouble decerning the war game operations from the actual attacks. After being notified of the first hijacking, General Larry Arnold originally thought it was part of the exercise, [38] as did NEADS Commander Col. Robert K. Marr Jr. and his deputy Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, who said "everybody" at NEADS first thought the attacks were part of Vigilant Guardian.[39] In addition to Global Guardian and Amalgam Warrior, Vigilant Guardian is also conducted in conjunction with Crown Vigilance -- an Air Combat Command/Langley Air Force Base exercise -- as well as a USCINCSPACE-sponsored exercise entitled Apollo Guardian. [40] The details of Vigilant Guardian remain classified and the 9/11 Commission's failure to thoroughly report on the exercise or even mention any of the other war games would suggest the same is true for all other training operations being conducted on that morning.

Also being conducted on 9/11 was operation Northern Vigilance, a war game that inserted false blips onto FAA and military radar screens and drew fighters away from the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) -- where all four hijackings had occurred.[46][47]

Such NORAD exercises practiced coordination between NORAD headquarters, its subordinate regions and sectors, and the National Command Authority,[48] which, in President Bush's absence, would've been Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.[49] Prior to 9/11, NORAD had planned multiple war game scenarios involving hijacked planes being flown into American symbols, including the World Trade Center. One exercise planned in July of 2001 and ran sometime before or possibly even on 9/11, involved military aircraft mocking the behavior of hijacked airliners;[50] and coincidentally, as the 9/11 attacks were taking place, the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office were actually participating in an exercise that simulated a plane crashing into a building.[51] The 9/11 Commission neglected to investigate or report on this subject, therefore it is presently unknown what relation, if any, these exercises had to Global Guardian, Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, or Northern Vigilance, or how any of the war games might have affected the military's response to the real attacks.
 
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Re: Say Cheese

"Say Cheese"
Hero, the US had warnings from intelligence sources that an attack was imminent and it could come in the form of hijacked airplanes.

That isn't the same thing as knowing the specific details of the attack, including the targets and dates.

Monk-Eye said:
If you believe surveillance could not have had a bead on the plans you are missing good sense.

What's your point? Of course the planes were being watched, from the moment they diverted their course. What exactly does this prove?

Monk-Eye said:
You said that tight security was in place at the time of the first bombing. Keep up.

Actually I said that the fact that the WTC had been bombed before proved that you did NOT need top clearance to do it, contrary to your theory that the planes were just a distraction because bombs would've somehow implicated the government. Learn to read.

Monk-Eye said:
How would the conspiracy be uncovered? Bush was on vacation for 30 days prior.
The most anyone could be found guilty of is neglect.

Dick Cheney can't even shoot people in the face without it ending up in the newspapers. Are you saying there isn't one credible journalist in the country who could have pieced together all this amazing detective work that the UFO nuts did?

Monk-Eye said:
Do not underestimate some people's motivation, or their desire for control.

So in other words, you have no explanation for their motive whatsoever, other than "derrrrrr....Jeezus LOL!!"
 
Nor Add

"Nor Add"
That isn't the same thing as knowing the specific details of the attack, including the targets and dates.
What's your point? Of course the planes were being watched, from the moment they diverted their course. What exactly does this prove?
Dick Cheney can't even shoot people in the face without it ending up in the newspapers. Are you saying there isn't one credible journalist in the country who could have pieced together all this amazing detective work that the UFO nuts did?
Look up, at the prior post.
Actually I said that the fact that the WTC had been bombed before proved that you did NOT need top clearance to do it, contrary to your theory that the planes were just a distraction because bombs would've somehow implicated the government. Learn to read.
Entry into the structural components of the building did require security access.
Bomb sniffing dogs were present in the lobby, but were recently removed from patrol on upper floors.
One would have to find evidence of demolition.
Limited to criticalities, it could be concealed quite well.
So in other words, you have no explanation for their motive whatsoever, other than "derrrrrr....Jeezus LOL!!"
You can believe as you please.
The influence of radical christian socialists as the christian right (link) may seem a harmless joke to you.
Many take their political posture very seriously, as seriously as any lunatic, sharia law, demanding muslim.
 
If anyone has any more "evidence" of this conspiricy theory......bring it on.

I want to prove it is BS. And everyone who wishes too can help.
 
Re: Bait And Switch

"Bait And Switch"
You lost me.
I stated the only reasonable conspiracy theory possible in my mind, that it was allowed to happen and possibly accentuated for effect.

Now, a labotomy.

Planning of the September 11, 2001 attacks # War Games Paralleled Attacks

When a private or commercial aircraft moves significantly off its flight plan, it is a US legal requirement that fighter planes be sent up to investigate. Between September 2000 and June 2001, the US military launched fighter aircraft — able to be airborne within eight minutes[26] — on 67 occasions in order to intercept suspicious flights.[27]

Those 67 intercepts were not over the U.S. they were international flights over the ocean which is an important distinction as NORAD is not setup to track and intercept domestic flights.

67 Intercepts

On September 11, the first hijacking was confirmed by 8:20 a.m.; the second, by 8:42 a.m.; and the third was known of by 8:50 a.m.. The first plane struck the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m. followed by the second plane at 9:03 a.m.; yet not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m..

Total crock, Andrews had no fighters on alert that morning fighters were scrambled from other places well before Andrews.

Andrews AFB

Vigilant Guardian was a nationwide, CINCNORAD-sponsored, CJCS/CDS-approved, system-wide Command Post Exercise (CPX) involving HQ NORAD, NORAD regions and sectors and their supporting units.[36] It was coordinated between multiple radar sites across the United States and Canada and one element involved a simulated attack coming from across the North Pole.[37] September 11th 2001 was day-two of the Vigilant Guardian exercise, and simulated an imaginary crisis occurring at North American Air defense outposts nationwide. FAA and military officials reported trouble decerning the war game operations from the actual attacks. After being notified of the first hijacking, General Larry Arnold originally thought it was part of the exercise, [38] as did NEADS Commander Col. Robert K. Marr Jr. and his deputy Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, who said "everybody" at NEADS first thought the attacks were part of Vigilant Guardian.[39] In addition to Global Guardian and Amalgam Warrior, Vigilant Guardian is also conducted in conjunction with Crown Vigilance -- an Air Combat Command/Langley Air Force Base exercise -- as well as a USCINCSPACE-sponsored exercise entitled Apollo Guardian. [40] The details of Vigilant Guardian remain classified and the 9/11 Commission's failure to thoroughly report on the exercise or even mention any of the other war games would suggest the same is true for all other training operations being conducted on that morning.

Also being conducted on 9/11 was operation Northern Vigilance, a war game that inserted false blips onto FAA and military radar screens and drew fighters away from the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) -- where all four hijackings had occurred.[46][47]

Such NORAD exercises practiced coordination between NORAD headquarters, its subordinate regions and sectors, and the National Command Authority,[48] which, i n President Bush's absence, would've been Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.[49] Prior to 9/11, NORAD had planned multiple war game scenarios involving hijacked planes being flown into American symbols, including the World Trade Center. One exercise planned in July of 2001 and ran sometime before or possibly even on 9/11, involved military aircraft mocking the behavior of hijacked airliners;[50] and coincidentally, as the 9/11 attacks were taking place, the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office were actually participating in an exercise that simulated a plane crashing into a building.[51] The 9/11 Commission neglected to investigate or report on this subject, therefore it is presently unknown what relation, if any, these exercises had to Global Guardian, Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, or Northern Vigilance, or how any of the war games might have affected the military's response to the real attacks.

The war games crock is taken care of here:

War Games Cover for 9-11
 
Re: Load Balance

"Load Balance"
Those are factors, they both have the same cruise speed of about 540mph, eventhough the 707 has four engines rather than two.

The near top speed at impact as well as fuel have been noted.
The safety scenario speculated a 707 slow descent fog landing at approximately 300 mph, void being loaded with fuel.

There you go, they ran the scenario for a 707 traveling at nearly half speed, not for a 757 traveling at full speed.

The structural integrity of the building was not destroyed by the impact, the core and perimeter support system did not fail.

The collapse occurred due to a myriad of factors, not just one you can not separate these factors and look at them individually you have to look at them all together to understand the bigger picture. You have to look at the core getting taken out, the structural steel barring columns getting severed, the kinetic energy of the impact, and the raging inferno all at the same time, if you separate the factors it would be like saying that a car shouldn't have gone off the road because it was designed to take a turn of a certain angle at a certain speed without looking into the conditions of the road.

My big question has to do with center of gravity and lever systems.
If more than half of the building is supported relative to a fulcrum point why would the top tilt in the direction of the lesser weight?
Was more weight unsupported than supported on the damaged side relative to a fulcrum point?
Please do not reply - obviously so.

Dealt with here:

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]AN ANALYSIS OF THE TIPPING OF THE UPPER SECTION OF WTC 2[/FONT]
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]By[/FONT]
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]F.R. Greening[/FONT]​





[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]5.0 Summary and Conclusions[/FONT]



The collapse of WTC 2 began with a tilting or [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]rotational [/FONT]motion of the upper section of the Tower about a “hinge” at the 80th floor. This rotational motion, which commenced at a tilt angle 2, was caused by an almost instantaneous multi-column failure that eliminated the structural support on one side of WTC 2 near the impact zone. Once set in motion, the upper block moved with a nearly “free” rotational trajectory of a body pivoting under the constant force of gravity. This behavior was sustained at tilt angles up to about 25. Thereafter the motion of the block changed somewhat although the suggestion that the tilting suddenly stopped is [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]not [/FONT]correct.




What appears to happen is that the tilting upper section was continuously crushed near the 80th floor by its own momentum so that the rotation was no longer that of a [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]rigid [/FONT][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]body[/FONT]. Eventually the "hinge" at the northeast corner failed and the descending block took on a more vertical motion. interestingly, once the hinge failed, and the pivot became



frictionless, the motion of the center of gravity is predicted to become vertical, causing a shift in the rotational axis. Unfortunately, however, details of this stage of the WTC 2 collapse were obscured by smoke, dust and flying debris.




 
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Re: Background Checks

Here is some baseless, directionless, insinuation of association, propanda, just because it exists.

Quote:
Marvin Pierce Bush (born October 22, 1956) is the youngest son of George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce, and brother of George W., John (Jeb), Neil and Dorothy.
From 1993 until June 2000, he was on the board of directors of the Sterling, Virginia company Stratesec (formarly known as Securacom),[1] which had contracts to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport, and the World Trade Center. The Securacom/Stratesec company was publicly traded and backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corporation. In 1996, Marvin Bush had 53,000 shares in the company's stock he bought at 52 cents a share. In 1997 the stock sold for $8.50 a share. Marvin Bush was no longer listed as a shareholder by the end of 2000.

And your point? John Oneile was who was in charge of security at the WTC, not Marvin Bush, Securasecs interests in the WTC ended in 1998, and Marvin Bush was not even on the damn board of directors after 2000.
 
Unimpressive

"Unimpressive"
Those 67 intercepts were not over the U.S. they were international flights over the ocean which is an important distinction as NORAD is not setup to track and intercept domestic flights.
67 Intercepts
Total crock, Andrews had no fighters on alert that morning fighters were scrambled from other places well before Andrews.
Andrews AFB
The war games crock is taken care of here:
War Games Cover for 9-11
The oringinal 9-11 report - National Commission On Terrorist Attacks Upon The United States (link) is a better document than your sources.
From that document, it is clear that time for proactive decisions was simply unavailable.

In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that
* the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear; (transponders turned off)
* there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command; and
* hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen.

Of course, if part of the NORAD exercises was to simulate such a building attack, the unassumption that a conversion of an aircraft into a guide missile is untrue.
Eventhough it was stated that the NORAD hijack and attack scenario presumed an origination from outside the US, and therefore a sufficient lead time.
 
Guilt By Association

"Guilt By Association"
And your point? John Oneile was who was in charge of security at the WTC, not Marvin Bush, Securasecs interests in the WTC ended in 1998, and Marvin Bush was not even on the damn board of directors after 2000.
John Oneill did not make it out of the building alive, he could not have been an operative.

I believe my exact words to dixon76710 were, "Here is some baseless, directionless, insinuation of association, propanda, just because it exists."
 
Re: Bait And Switch

"Bait And Switch"
You lost me.
I stated the only reasonable conspiracy theory possible in my mind, that it was allowed to happen and possibly accentuated for effect.

You dont need to tell us what you stated.

The conspiracy is not that the government had the planes hijacked in order to detonate explosives, rather that the hijack was not averted and the explosives added to ensure the final effect.

Nothing about what is "possible". Nothing about "theory". Perhaps you were stating your actual views and merely forgot to erect the veil of bull shiite you usually prefer to hide behind.
 
Re: Bait And Switch

Now, a labotomy.

When a private or commercial aircraft moves significantly off its flight plan, it is a US legal requirement that fighter planes be sent up to investigate. Between September 2000 and June 2001, the US military launched fighter aircraft — able to be airborne within eight minutes[26] — on 67 occasions in order to intercept suspicious flights.[27]

Well, "Between September 2000 and June 2001" there were ZERO times that fighters were launched to intercept planes over the Unitied States. You have to go back to 1999 to find THE ONLY example of fighters being scrambled to intercept a plane over the US in DECADES. Golfer Payne Stewarts learjet when all the occupants died from carbon monoxide. And it took them an hour and 20 minutes to reach the plane and it's transponder wasnt turned off.
But then again these are the kind of details that you avoid in order to keep your silly theories in tact.
 
Feasibility Study

"Feasibility Study"
There you go, they ran the scenario for a 707 traveling at nearly half speed, not for a 757 traveling at full speed.
The collapse occurred due to a myriad of factors, not just one you can not separate these factors and look at them individually you have to look at them all together to understand the bigger picture. You have to look at the core getting taken out, the structural steel barring columns getting severed, the kinetic energy of the impact, and the raging inferno all at the same time, if you separate the factors it would be like saying that a car shouldn't have gone off the road because it was designed to take a turn of a certain angle at a certain speed without looking into the conditions of the road. Dealt with here:
The speed disparity was acknowledged, but that is incidental and secondary to the amount damage.
From the original report,
Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers (link), on page 73 WTC1 and on page 90 WTC2 , there is a sketch of damage to the 47 center column support beams and thereabouts are details to the number of the 59 perimeter columns destroyed and the number of missing spandrels.
There is a large amount of damage.
But I am still thinking about it.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Moved to a more appropriate forum


btw... Popular Mechanics has an excellent book available that debunks virtually every 9/11 physics/engineering conspiracy theory.
 
Re: Feasibility Study

There is a large amount of damage.
But I am still thinking about it.

It seems that in your case "thinking" involves a desparate search for validation of your silly theories and a rejection of anything that conflicts with them.
 
Pomp And Glory

"Pomp and Glory"
You dont need to tell us what you stated.
Nothing about what is "possible". Nothing about "theory". Perhaps you were stating your actual views and merely forgot to erect the veil of bull shiite you usually prefer to hide behind.
Well, "Between September 2000 and June 2001" there were ZERO times that fighters were launched to intercept planes over the Unitied States. You have to go back to 1999 to find THE ONLY example of fighters being scrambled to intercept a plane over the US in DECADES. Golfer Payne Stewarts learjet when all the occupants died from carbon monoxide. And it took them an hour and 20 minutes to reach the plane and it's transponder wasnt turned off. But then again these are the kind of details that you avoid in order to keep your silly theories in tact.
That was not my source simple mind, therefore I did not avoid the details.
There are no inline source annotations in the Popular Mechanics report, they must be some highly educated greese monkeys.

It seems that in your case "thinking" involves a desparate search for validation of your silly theories and a rejection of anything that conflicts with them.
You have proven to me that you are a light weight ignoramous, failing to keep up with the progression of posted content.
It is doubtful you understand it anyway.
Congratulations on being a trivial, bickering, snyde, dolt.
 
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Re: Pomp And Glory

...those Popular Mechanics must be some highly educated greese monkeys.
It's grease monkeys. And yes, most have Ph.Ds in their respective physics and engineering disciplines.
 
Facts And Findings

"Facts And Findings"
It's grease monkeys. And yes, most have Ph.Ds in their respective physics and engineering disciplines.
Everyone wants sources.
A list of expert consultants is given.
What is one to expect when a bibliography is nonexistent?
 
Re: Pomp And Glory

"Pomp and Glory"
That was not my source simple mind, therefore I did not avoid the details.
There are no inline source annotations in the Popular Mechanics report, they must be some highly educated greese monkeys.

????? Your alleged "conspiracy" that you now label as a "possible" "theory" was your source-

Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses

that you posted in the opening post, titled-

Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses

that concludes that the evidence of the collapse at wtc is-

thus indicating it was created by a high velocity explosive detonation.

AAAAnd the bit about-

Between September 2000 and June 2001, the US military launched fighter aircraft — able to be airborne within eight minutes[26] — on 67 occasions in order to intercept suspicious flights.[27]

Was also your source-
Planning of the September 11, 2001 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Im not sure how Popular Mechanics got involved in our discussion.

You have proven to me that you are a light weight ignoramous, failing to keep up with the progression of posted content.
It is doubtful you understand it anyway.
Congratulations on being a trivial, bickering, snyde, dolt.

Im following it just fine. What you started as a bunch of tripe about shaped charges at WTC, you shifted to Norad and their amazing capabilities of intercepting stray aircraft, because the previous shiite about shaped charges you had thrown up against the wall wasnt sticking very well. Im sure this criticism of popular mechanics scholarship of yours is the next "progression" paving the way for some alternate bull shiite you are going to throw up on the wall to see if anything will stick. I await with breathless anticipation einstein.
 
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