We're protecting real women.....

[CLAX1911]

What supposed dogma are you being oppressed by?

People who want to hide the truth

JKR is a hateful idiot who writes children fantasy novels. She is not Plato. or even Simone de Beauvoir.

I don't think she's the hateful one.

 

[Bodi]

We arent your property to be protected.

Nobody said they were... but men protect and provide... just kinda how things evolved.


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[Lisa]

People who want to hide the truth

Such as established medical science on the subject that I have posted multiple times? Or do you know better than Drs and psychologists?

I don't think she's the hateful one.

The facts disagree.

 

[CLAX1911]

Such as established medical science

Astrology. It's not science it's astrology.
Trans women are not women they never will be women that's never going to happen everyone knows they're not women.

People that insist on this aren't doing so to try and convince themselves of a lie.

on the subject that I have posted multiple times?

Yeah I get your biased in your cherry pick things that are favorable to your viewpoint.

I don't have that by us so I can see all the things that are invisible to you.

Or do you know better than Drs and psychologists?

If they're saying that someone who was born male can somehow be female yes. I absolutely know better than them 100%. I don't need a doctorate I just need to not have my head crammed way up my ass.

The facts disagree.

But you don't ever list any facts you don't have any all you have is Cherry picked opinions and absolute lies.

Trans women are not women they can't be they never will be. Nobody thinks they are they might say it but they're lying.

 

[Lisa]

Astrology. It's not science it's astrology.

Astrology isn't objective science.

Trans women are not women they never will be women that's never going to happen everyone knows they're not women.

People that insist on this aren't doing so to try and convince themselves of a lie.

Or you cannot understand anything beyond a simplistic grade school explanation of sex.

Yeah I get your biased in your cherry pick things that are favorable to your viewpoint.

I don't have that by us so I can see all the things that are invisible to you.

More conspiracy theory nonsense.

If they're saying that someone who was born male can somehow be female yes. I absolutely know better than them 100%. I don't need a doctorate I just need to not have my head crammed way up my ass.

A personal attack.

But you don't ever list any facts you don't have any all you have is Cherry picked opinions and absolute lies.

More conspiracy thinking.

Trans women are not women they can't be they never will be. Nobody thinks they are they might say it but they're lying.

Are you still scared that you will be forced to date transgender guys?

 

[CLAX1911]

What supposed dogma are you being oppressed by?

The dogma that trans women are women. No they aren't. As long as you add the prefix trans you are separating them. Distinguishing them as a different.

JKR is a hateful idiot who writes children fantasy novels. She is not Plato. or even Simone de Beauvoir.

 

[Lisa]

The dogma that trans women are women. No they aren't. As long as you add the prefix trans you are separating them. Distinguishing them as a different.

They are women because of their brains. Our brains determine who we are.


(waits for you to bring up your misunderstanding of neurosexism. )

 

[CLAX1911]

Astrology isn't objective science.

Nether is this pseudoscience about trans people.

Or youi canot understand anything beyond a simplistic grade school explanation of sex.

So it is about sex and not about gender. Yeah I know.

More conspiracy theory nonsense.

Yeah nature, the conspiracy theory

A personal attack.

What person?

More conspiracy thinking.

When you cop out like this it suggests to me that I'm right and you know I am and can't venture into the subject because you know you have no foundation for your view point

Are you still scared that you will be forced to date transgender guys?

Was I ever scared of that I don't recall. I just pointed out their homophobia because they're women and want to be guys and can never be guys and gay guys still have anything to do with them.

 

[CLAX1911]

They are women because of their brains.

No they're not.

Our brains determine who we are.

For yourself maybe but not to the rest of the world.

(waits for you to bring up your misunderstanding of neurosexism. )

 

[Lisa]

No they're not.

Medical science says otherwise. That is why the diagnosis of gender dysphoria exists.

For yourself maybe but not to the rest of the world.

Then why are you gay if your brain doesn't control your body? Obviously as a gay man you fail the most basic goal of biology which is to reproduce. Did you choose to be gay? The region of your brain that controls sexual attraction is a lot like that of a heterosexual female, who are also attracted to males. The idea that you are gay is based in neuro-biology. This is not a new idea.

Brain structure changes associated with sexual orientation - Scientific Reports

Biological sex differences in brain function and structure are reliably associated with several cortico-subcortical brain regions. While sexual orientation (hetero- versus homosexuality) has been similarly linked to functional differences in several phylogenetically-old brain areas, the research...

www.nature.com

 

[CLAX1911]

Medical science says otherwise.

No it doesn't. If the doctor says someone who's born male is a woman he's automatically quack. He can say that this person is a trans woman but trans woman just means man with gender dysphoria

That is why the diagnosis of gender dysphoria exists.

Yeah I agree with this. It doesn't change your sex though. Trans woman would be a man with gender dysphoria. To insist that they are a woman somehow without having any of their characteristics whatsoever is like insisting that they're a cat.

Then why are you gay if your brain doesn't control your body?

Because I'm attracted to the same sex. I don't need my sexual orientation confirmed by other people. And the brain does control thoughts. It doesn't control anatomy.

Obviously as a gay man you fail the most basic goal of biology which is to reproduce.

No. Gay people can and do reproduce.

Did you choose to be gay?

What does this have to do with the topic

The region of your brain that controls sexual attraction is a lot like that of a heterosexual female,

If I insisted I was a woman because of this you'd have a point

who are also attracted to males. The idea that you are gay is based in neuro-biology. This is not a new idea.

The way to prove this is to take the brain scans of 50 adult men and have a neuroscientist pick out the one that's gay or the one that's trans I suspect this experiment hasn't happened because you can't do that because this is all just really circumstantial.

People will find the evidence they want to find. It's called bias it's something that's extraordinarily common in science

Brain structure changes associated with sexual orientation - Scientific Reports

Biological sex differences in brain function and structure are reliably associated with several cortico-subcortical brain regions. While sexual orientation (hetero- versus homosexuality) has been similarly linked to functional differences in several phylogenetically-old brain areas, the research...

www.nature.com

 

[Lisa]

No it doesn't. If the doctor says someone who's born male is a woman he's automatically quack.

Your definition of determines if a Dr is a quack illustrates your lack of knowledge of the subject.

He can say that this person is a trans woman but trans woman just means man with gender dysphoria

That is also not true.

Yeah I agree with this. It doesn't change your sex though. Trans woman would be a man with gender dysphoria. To insist that they are a woman somehow without having any of their characteristics whatsoever is like insisting that they're a cat.

More nonsense.

Because I'm attracted to the same sex. I don't need my sexual orientation confirmed by other people. And the brain does control thoughts. It doesn't control anatomy.

No. Gay people can and do reproduce.

What does this have to do with the topic

If I insisted I was a woman because of this you'd have a point

Gender identity is also determined by the brain. Our brains control almost everything about us.

Brain Sex Differences Related to Gender Identity Development: Genes or Hormones? - PMC

The complex process of sexual differentiation is known to be influenced by biological and environmental determinants. The present review has the aim of summarizing the most relevant studies on the biological basis of sexual development, and in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The way to prove this is to take the brain scans of 50 adult men and have a neuroscientist pick out the one that's gay or the one that's trans I suspect this experiment hasn't happened because you can't do that because this is all just really circumstantial.

People will find the evidence they want to find. It's called bias it's something that's extraordinarily common in science

Obviously you have no training in the sciences and are grasping at any straw that supports your bias. Your arguments sound a lot like those of creationists or flat earthers.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your definition of determines if a Dr is a quack illustrates your lack of knowledge of the subject.

Illustrates my lack of ability to be Hoodwinked by someone abusing their authority.

That is also not true.

So what the hell is transition for?

More nonsense.

More fleeing

Gender identity is also determined by the brain.

So what the hell does that have to do with sex?

Our brains control almost everything about us.

Yes but they don't control what other people think of you.

If for me in order to be a man you have to be biologically male and not just in your brain but in your whole body. You don't then get to tell me that science dictates the word man means that someone with a neurological condition and not adult human male.

Brain Sex Differences Related to Gender Identity Development: Genes or Hormones? - PMC

The complex process of sexual differentiation is known to be influenced by biological and environmental determinants. The present review has the aim of summarizing the most relevant studies on the biological basis of sexual development, and in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Obviously you have no training in the sciences and are grasping at any straw that supports your bias.

What bias? Is everybody that doesn't go along with your silly little conspiracy theory therefore a transphobe? So reality is just a conspiracy against you?

Your arguments sound a lot like those of creationists or flat earthers.

So. I'm not arguing that the Earth is flat I am arguing that men are biologically male and women are biologically female. And not just with regards to neurology but also anatomy.

 

[CLAX1911]

Your definition of determines if a Dr is a quack illustrates your lack of knowledge of the subject.

That is also not true.

More nonsense.


Gender identity is also determined by the brain. Our brains control almost everything about us.

Brain Sex Differences Related to Gender Identity Development: Genes or Hormones? - PMC

The complex process of sexual differentiation is known to be influenced by biological and environmental determinants. The present review has the aim of summarizing the most relevant studies on the biological basis of sexual development, and in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Obviously you have no training in the sciences and are grasping at any straw that supports your bias. Your arguments sound a lot like those of creationists or flat earthers.

It's not bigotry for me to say that the definition of man is adult human male and let the definition of woman is adult human female. Or that the definition of boy is juvenile human male and the definition of girl as juvenile human female.

That's the language. That's what the word means. Ask 10,000 people and I bet you get 9994 of them telling you if a person gets pregnant they're a female/ woman.
You might have six out of those people saying that man is a neurological condition and that's 100% false.

I've explained this to you , yet you insist that I adopt your nonsensical meanings of the words man and woman. You become obstinate when I point out linguistically that's not what it means.

So you are remaining obstinate in your own opinion and intolerant to the opinions of others that's the definition of bigotry.

I can use words like trans woman and CIS woman because I understand within the context of this discussion what does it mean. I can adapt I'm not obstinate in my own opinion. I think the prefix cis is superfluous because a CIS woman is just a woman. But I can adopt and explain things to you in a way you can understand.

My ability to communicate is it clouded by ideology.

 

[maquiscat]

Here you go. Yet another biological woman who is cis gender who has been accosted in the women's restroom. This supposed protection of biological women isn't working. Seems like they need protection from conservatives more than from trans women.

Woman says security guard at Liberty Hotel in Boston confronted her in bathroom, asked to prove gender

A couple said a security guard at the Liberty Hotel in Boston challenged their use of a bathroom and kicked them out.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[maquiscat]

Illinois prosecutors weigh hate crime charges after lesbian attacked at McDonald's

Kady Grass suffered a broken nose, a hemorrhage on her eye, and PTSD after the attack at a McDonald's in Carpentersville last week.

www.cbsnews.com

And before you trans opponents go off on how this was about her being gay not transgender, you are the ones making the point about real women feeling safe in the restroom. How safe do you think this makes women, straight or gay feel? We already know that the type of people who attacked her will do so if they even think a woman looks too much like a man. What's going to stop them if they think a woman looks like a hommosexual, regardless of their actual orientation?