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From my point of view, the day you receive one cent more from the government than you have put in, is the day when one goes from being an asset to a liability.
That's how we handled it before our population grew to huge levels and moved into cities away from extended families. It became impractical, and likely impossible, for regular people and private institutions to take care of those who were down. Because of that, government institutions were formed to pick up the slack. Therefore, while it may be "right" in a moral or ethical sense depending on who you ask, it's just not going to work.Helping those that are down should be handled by families, churches, neighbors and communities. That's the right way.
That would include 31 of the 50 states, most of them red states. What states receive more federal tax dollars than they pay inFrom my point of view, the day you receive one cent more from the government than you have put in, is the day when one goes from being an asset to a liability.
In a perfect world...
But even churches have a hard time getting people in the doors these days. Neighbors and communities are, too often, are not neighborly and communal. It's the "me" generation.
I'm not sure TBH, I do believe that Welfare should be tied to some kind of work program/education program in order to improve the lives of the people on welfare so that they can eventually get out of the program.
Agreed. If done right, I really don't care who runs it.
many winters ago, in Idaho, a lady I know was a single mom, husband took off, paid no child support. She and her kids moved in with her mom. The state paid her living and child care expenses til she got training and a job, and she was grateful, and thanked them. State said no, we are not done with you yet. We will continue to pay your mother for child care while you work. she said no, don't need it....wouldn't even sign the paperwork after they filled it out for her.
That is how it should work....take the help you NEED and not one dime more...
Sounds like my mother. Got some training after Dad left, and worked every single work day of her life until one week before cancer finally took her. And there are people like that today as well. See them everyday struggling to get by. Wonder why they never make the news or anyone's stories?
Such people aren't newsworthy, I guess....
What are your opinions on welfare management? Several mainstream options of handling welfare are in the poll.
What are your opinions on welfare management? Several mainstream options of handling welfare are in the poll.
many winters ago, in Idaho, a lady I know was a single mom, husband took off, paid no child support. She and her kids moved in with her mom. The state paid her living and child care expenses til she got training and a job, and she was grateful, and thanked them. State said no, we are not done with you yet. We will continue to pay your mother for child care while you work. she said no, don't need it....wouldn't even sign the paperwork after they filled it out for her.
That is how it should work....take the help you NEED and not one dime more...
Agreed. Sadly, that is not how the system is designed - currently state officials get "free money" for signing more people up for programs that receive federal support, and so their incentives are to encourage as many people as possible to get on them. I have people who cannot understand why I would qualify for federal aid programs and not take them. I explain to them that I have the ability to save, which means I have disposable income, which means that I do not need WIC etc., and I just get back dumb looks.
One of my elderly AZ neighbors gave me some "commodities" that he gets for free, based on low income....he isn't poor, just has low cash flow. His bank accounts are quite fat.....
Once he brought over some peanut butter made in INDIA, like we can't grow peanuts here in the USA? It was pretty bad, and we put it into the trash immediately. Seems to me if we are going to feed our poor, whether real or not, we should use American grown food.
Durka durka durka. Come into the 21 century. Fortress America will never work. It did not work for China and their high growth rates are due to being more open and starting from the bottom. If you want to live in a closed society move to one. Of course, you can't becasue you won't be able to survive. You are utterly dependent on being supported by those using a common language and that look like you. Quit being a burden to your brothers.
Durka durka durka. Come into the 21 century. Fortress America will never work. It did not work for China and their high growth rates are due to being more open and starting from the bottom. If you want to live in a closed society move to one. Of course, you can't becasue you won't be able to survive. You are utterly dependent on being supported by those using a common language and that look like you. Quit being a burden to your brothers.
and how is voluntarily consuming nasty tasting food from India going to help my "brothers"...
sorry, my brothers are on their own. both of them are poor, by choice.
I nominate this for the dumbest post of the month.
The LDS have the right idea. The church maintains farms, worked by the members (volunteer labor, a chance to serve fellow man), the products go into food warehouses all over the world to feed the hungry. There is no chance of recipients cashing in food stamps for booze, hungry people get food, and even the poor can pitch in and donate a day's labor on the church farm.The LDS church welfare program has some serious scrutiny.....you are expected to endure some finanicial counseling. You can't get help from them while paying for cable TV with the sports programming package, for example. You are expected to live a reasonable life, not an extravagant one, while drawing welfare. But the latter is how some people get in trouble in the first place. Just because your income allows a mansion now doesn't mean it will next year. I know more than a few well educated, well paid people who fell into that trap.
The LDS have the right idea. The church maintains farms, worked by the members (volunteer labor, a chance to serve fellow man), the products go into food warehouses all over the world to feed the hungry. There is no chance of recipients cashing in food stamps for booze, hungry people get food, and even the poor can pitch in and donate a day's labor on the church farm.
I nominate this for the dumbest post of the month.
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