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I dont recall saying "I know it can work!" but I do support the minimal functions of govt. The welfare state has proven to be a poor solution, and my example was the USSR, where supposedly all of ones needs would be provided for.
I'm with you, but alas, according to US Conservative, that means we both vote welfare state.
I agree with this statement, but you left out the most important part of my statement...I draw the line at where that becomes a means to transfer wealth between citizens.
FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.
YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
In case people didn't know there was two recessions in the fifties and one in the seventies. Just sayin'
Neither of which even came close to what happened in 1982, 1987, and 2008.
And those prosperous people you resent so much for being prosperous are the ones paying for the flawless and sainted government. Still, I gotta say, having such complete faith in the government must be a much easier way to go through life.
Well, I guess if we are going to do a compare and contract between two time periods with liberal economic policies in place you win. :lol:
That is because you do. I'm not really sure why people think they just change the name to safety net and somehow not support the welfare state.
Huh? We had high taxes from 1951-1980...and the recessions we had then were not nearly so bad as the recessions we've had under Reaganomics...and yes, we're are still under low-tax Reaganomics.
I believe it's because when people use buzz words like "welfare state", and the like, they are referring a system of socialism far most left than what we would like, in terms of social welfare.
My idea of a good social safety net, instead of unemployment, is employment. I mean, we're gonna pay these people...may as well put them to work.
Does that make me a pinko dirty socialist bastard? A welfare statist?
Welfare state - a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits. The foundations for the modern welfare state in the US were laid by the New Deal programs of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
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Welfare state vs the night-watchmen state-which do you support?
It is like saying we need a pure capitalist system of economy. By that theory the system does have an end.
FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.
YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
FYI, it wasn't only 'freedom' that enabled people to prosper. It was also government-funded roads, government-funded schools, government-funded military might protecting our commerce, government-funded diplomacy smoothing the way for overseas commerce, government-funded police and fire protection, government-funded access to space for our satellites...and a LOT of government-funded regulation that gave us safer places to live and work.
YES, freedom is essential to success...but freedom by itself isn't enough. Gotta have that government-funded INFRASTRUCTURE, too. Without that strong infrastructure, you can't have real national prosperity no matter how 'free' the people may be.
In case people didn't know there was two recessions in the fifties and one in the seventies. Just sayin'
And you're still comparing apples and oranges. The USSR was NEVER a socialized democracy. What you're doing is like pointing at the Chicago Cubs and saying that's why the NFL can't be a success. While they both might be sports teams, what they do is wildly different.
Capitalism is more accurately an economic system. China has some capitalist traits.
Are you trying to steer the discussion towards immigration?
And those prosperous people you resent so much for being prosperous are the ones paying for the flawless and sainted government. Still, I gotta say, having such complete faith in the government must be a much easier way to go through life.
You really gotta watch those assumptions - I don't resent the prosperous, because I am prosperous myself.
But I'm still waiting - as I have for years - for the small-government crowd to show me ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of small government, low effective taxes, and little or no regulation. After all, if the almighty market forces are as strong as we all know they are, then NONE of the big-government welfare states would be first-world nations...
...but instead, ALL of the first-world nations are big-government welfare states.
Why is that?
And if you can't answer, don't let that worry you...because no other small-government conservative has ever been able to answer that, either.
No. I dont know how I can spell this out any more clear. Taxation is a transfer of wealth to the govt for legitimate purposes, not to enable another citizens poor choices.
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