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We Probably Will Have a Wealth Tax

No, that isn't the way it works. If you believe that I caused you harm by my actions then you can sue me. We punish people that knowing and intentionally harm others. We occasionally punish people that, through gross negligence, harm others. We DO NOT punish people merely because we believe that there is a better way for them to conduct their affairs.
taxes aren't a punishment. They are voluntarily paid by citizens in exchange for the benefits that they provide. Police, fire, military, roads, infrastructure etc.
 
The goal is to make the people that have money pay the tax that supports the system that allowed them to earn that money.
 
taxes aren't a punishment. They are voluntarily paid by citizens in exchange for the benefits that they provide. Police, fire, military, roads, infrastructure etc.
Amen! I do not get the fixation some have with taxes as being a punishment. I pay a lot in taxes, of course I would like to pay less, but I am OK with the fact the taxes I pay contribute to the society and community I belong to. I am happy contributing to a well educated, healthy community that values family and children.
 
taxes aren't a punishment. They are voluntarily paid by citizens in exchange for the benefits that they provide. Police, fire, military, roads, infrastructure etc.
With all due respect, when a tax policy is based on "people not paying their fair share" and the presumption that business owners are committing fraud I would suggest that those policies are EXPRESSLY punitive.
 
The money we invest in our country and our citizens is how we advance and grow are country.
 
Amen! I do not get the fixation some have with taxes as being a punishment. I pay a lot in taxes, of course I would like to pay less, but I am OK with the fact the taxes I pay contribute to the society and community I belong to. I am happy contributing to a well educated, healthy community that values family and children.
Right. And because you're happy with the system then everyone else should be happy. We all understand that. Liberalism is the art of gazing at one's own belly button.
 
The money we invest in our country and our citizens is how we advance and grow are country.
That's true. The debate is whether the people themselves are better equipped to discover and manage that investment or whether we need an elite class of decision makers to handle that for us.
 
That's true. The debate is whether the people themselves are better equipped to discover and manage that investment or whether we need an elite class of decision makers to handle that for us.
That is why we have a democracy. Better the 50% than 1%
 
That is why we have a democracy. Better the 50% than 1%
Zuckerberg, Gates and Bezos all support liberal causes. Should they be allowed to decide what to do with their money or should we allow the likes of AOC, Jayapal and Omar to decide for them?
 
More likely the uber rich will just find a way around it, requiring the democrats to change the laws again to get their money a different way. Thats why we have 70,000 pages worth of "tax code", 1.2 million tax accountants, 75,000 IRS employees...

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Meanwhile, under the less complex 2017 tax reforms, revenues rose by an estimated $627 billion (or 18 percent) in 2021, to a record 4 .047 trillion.
a wealth tax is a form of vandalism. an income tax takes some of what you are bringing in. A wealth tax takes away what you already have. It is not currently constitutional though
 
Zuckerberg, Gates and Bezos all support liberal causes. Should they be allowed to decide what to do with their money or should we allow the likes of AOC, Jayapal and Omar to decide for them?
The majority of the people in the country should decide. How else could you do it.?
 
No, that isn't the way it works. If you believe that I caused you harm by my actions then you can sue me. We punish people that knowing and intentionally harm others. We occasionally punish people that, through gross negligence, harm others. We DO NOT punish people merely because we believe that there is a better way for them to conduct their affairs.
Amen!!!!!!
 
. And because you're happy with the system then everyone else should be happy. We all understand that. Liberalism is the art of gazing at one's own belly button.
Not at all! I don't expect others to have the same values as I do. I also don't demonize others for caring less about their community than I do. Nor do I appreciate being demonized by those who do not share my values.
 
The majority of the people in the country should decide. How else could you do it.?
do you feel the same way about gay rights, and abortion?
 
do you feel the same way about gay rights, and abortion?
Yes. Majority rules but individual rights are protected by the constitution
 
Yes. Majority rules but individual rights are protected but the constitution
I want the wealth vandals and parasites to force the wealthy liberals into the GOP/Right wing side of the aisle.
 
I want the wealth vandals and parasites to force the wealthy liberals into the GOP/Right wing side of the aisle.
I don't know what that means.
 
The majority of the people in the country should decide. How else could you do it.?
Seriously? Why shouldn't you get to do what you believe is best for you with your earnings and everyone else can do what they find most beneficial to themselves? I mean, seriously, do you let your wife pick out your clothes every day?

Preserving and protecting individual liberty comes first. After that we can work on curbing abuses but ALWAYS keeping in mind that individual liberty is the primary concern. There are, without a doubt, certain objectives that are best handled at the community, state or national level but not all matters should be handled that way and the difference between community need and community desire needs to be given strict consideration.
 
I don't know what that means.
when the uber wealthy lefties-who vote for the Democrats for numerous reasons such as
1) they hate the religious right
a) because they support abortion
b) gay rights
c) or find that arrogance of the religious right disturbing
d) because they are atheist, Jewish, agnostic or other
2) because they think a bigger government means more power for them
3) because they despise legal gun ownership

etc

start realizing that the Democrats want to actually erode what they own with wealth taxes

They might well move over to the GOP.
 
Amen! I do not get the fixation some have with taxes as being a punishment. I pay a lot in taxes, of course I would like to pay less, but I am OK with the fact the taxes I pay contribute to the society and community I belong to. I am happy contributing to a well educated, healthy community that values family and children.

They are when the government is specifically taxing WEALTH.... We're not talking about ordinary taxation needed to run the country.
We are talking about a specific wealth tax that goes after a certain class of individuals. That action is punitive.
 
With all due respect, when a tax policy is based on "people not paying their fair share" and the presumption that business owners are committing fraud I would suggest that those policies are EXPRESSLY punitive.
Suggesting it doesn’t make it so. The richest 1% have benefited the most from govnt services and have accumulated a monumental amount of wealth over the past 40 years due to Republican tax policies, so it’s time they start paying their proportionate share again.
 
taxes aren't a punishment. They are voluntarily paid by citizens in exchange for the benefits that they provide. Police, fire, military, roads, infrastructure etc.

If they are voluntary, that means we can choose not to pay them and the government will respect that choice, correct?

Yes. Majority rules but individual rights are protected by the constitution

The right to property is not protected by the constitution.
 


Not only do they want to tax your income, but now they want to tax income you havent earned yet. The dems social spending is so expensive they will be using income tax, debt, and now future earnings for some people to pay for it. If you have over X dollars in stock which you have not sold, then you will be taxed on its potential value.

Example

You have a million shares of amazon stock, worth at this second ( if you could sell it), 3bn dollars. But you bought it when it was worth 2 billion. Thats 1bn in unrealized gains, pay the govt 500 million dollars.

Theyve floated taxing all the wealth in other assets already, so its no surprise I guess. I sure wish they would make EVERYONE pay their fair share of taxes though, instead of just 5% of americans.


Well, they kind of worked for it. Phone calls were made, paperwork was signed. Think of it as income if it makes you feel better.
 
They are when the government is specifically taxing WEALTH.... We're not talking about ordinary taxation needed to run the country.
We are talking about a specific wealth tax that goes after a certain class of individuals. That action is punitive.
say your grandfather bought a piece of art that has appreciated heavily in the last 80 years. Say a Monet that he bought for 50,000 right after WWII, that was worth a million when he died, and now your parents have died and it is worth 7 million. The wealth vandals want you to yearly pay thousands of dollars merely to maintain ownership of that piece of art even though it doesn't bring in any income and your parents' estate already paid death taxes on it.
 
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