We need a DP Court so that members can get a fair hearing.

[danarhea]

Moderator's Warning:

Before you begin this post, DanaRhea, I must remind you that your infraction level is now at three points. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

Before I start my rant, which is likely going to earn me a permaban, here is my suggestion:

1) Upon receiving an infraction, a forum member should have the right, if he feels the infraction was unfair, to ask for a hearing. He would communicate this wish to one of the mods.

2) Upon receiving notification that a member wants a hearing, a thread should be made available in a sub forum that only the member who received the infraction, along with ALL of the mods, can see or post in.

3) The member would state his case why he feels the infraction was unfair. The mods would then respond to the member's statement. The member would then have one more chance to respond to the posts of the mods, after which the mods, AS A TEAM, would make their final decision, whether to keep the infraction, or rescind it.

It is a very simple system, designed to ensure fair play in the infraction point system.

The reason that I am bringing this up is because I strongly feel that I was infracted today by a mod who abused his postition.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have received a 3 point infraction for airing DP dirty laundry. Your infraction points now total 6. Remember, at 10 points you will receive a suspension. At higher point levels, you may earn a perma ban. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

My beef is over a post I made about politicians in Washington. It is as follows:

About ethanol - The energy taken to create and transport it is greater than then energy yielded by it. Takes a complete moron to push for a solution like this. Oops, that's right. We have a whole city full of them - Washington, and that's our problem. :mrgreen:

Anybody with the IQ of an artichoke can see the context here. I was calling Washington politicians morons. But I received an infraction because a mod arbitrarily decided that I was personally attacking another member of this forum. Now I must say that only a complete moron would see anything other than the attack I made on politicians.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have just received 10 infraction points for disrespecting a member of the moderator team. You are about to be suspended, and your membership in this forum is about to be in jeopardy. Would you like to try for Double Jeopardy, where the penalties double? Your infraction level is now at 16. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

You bet your ass, I would.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have just received a one point infraction for violating the profanity filter. Your infraction level is now at 17. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

I guess the whole point I am trying to make is that with the system that is in place, where the member IM's another mod and complains, does not ensure that the member will get a fair hearing if he feels he has been wronged. That is why I feel that a court system would be an equitable solution. 99.9% of the time, the mods do a bang up job. But mods are not God, although a couple of them probably have the unmitigated audacity to keep applying for the position.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have just earned 10 infraction points for disrespecting a member of the moderating team. Your infraction level is now 27. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

Finally, before you all boot me permanently out of this forum, let me make a statement. Everyone here knows that I am not a complainer. I have received infraction points I deserved, and I have received a couple of infraction points I thought were questionable. I never complained about any of them the whole time. I accepted them with no hesitation, and that is the way it should normally be. But what happened to me today was complete bullshit. I did not break any god damn rule.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have received one infraction point for bypassing the profanity filter. Your infraction level is now 28. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

So, here is where it stands. I strongly protest, in no uncertain terms, the unfair and arbitrary infraction I was given today. In fact, and as you can plainly see in this post, I am more than willing to accept a permaban if some measures are not taken to enable forum members to have a fair and impartial hearing in front of ALL mods if he or she feels that they have been treated unfairly in the infraction process. For me, it is unfortunate, because I have been looking forward to getting that 10K up next to my avatar. But I am not a whore. I am willing to throw my entire history here away and go elsewhere if I have to. I think it stinks to high heaven when a mod can act as arbitrarily as as the Modbot who keeps interrupting me in this post, and uses about as much of his own mind as the Modbot to boot in the process.

Moderator's Warning:

DanaRhea, you have earned another 10 infraction points for disrespecting a member of the moderating team. Your infracton level now stands at 38 points. You have been a really naughty boy. Thank you for interacting with ModBot 1.0. Have a nice day.

Hey Modbot 1.0 - Blow me.

** Gets out a shotgun **
** Blows away Modbot 1.0 **

There ya' go, Galenrox. The Modbot job is now yours. You are certainly qualified for the position.

One more thing before you guys ban me........

How about those Astros? :mrgreen:

NOTE: Whether you guys ban me or not, I am leaving this forum, one way or another. But I am not leaving without giving a complete asshole a piece of my mind, and a parting shot he so richly deserves. Adios.

 

[the makeout hobo]

Via Con Dios, I'll leave the light on.

 

[MC.no.spin]

I might have to go buy some champagne now :mrgreen:


Danahrea not only has bowel problems, he's on the rag.

 

[Lerxst]

I might have to go buy some champagne now :mrgreen:


Danahrea not only has bowel problems, he's on the rag.

How about you go buy a fuckin' personality? Dana is an institution here. You are shit. Come back when you are relevant.

Bitch.

 

[Cold Highway]

*salutes* Its been swell

 

[MC.no.spin]

How about you go buy a fuckin' personality? Dana is an institution here. You are shit. Come back when you are relevant.

Bitch.

I see Dana isn't the only one on the rag, ass wipe.

Dana and I are PM buddies. Dickwad. I told him to go drink some Jack and cool off.

 

[Lerxst]

I see Dana isn't the only one on the rag, ass wipe.

Dana and I are PM buddies. Dickwad. I told him to go drink some Jack and cool off.

Well if you are buddies then you of all people should appreciate my immediate retaliation to your comment.

Hmmffff.


:3oops:

 

[MC.no.spin]

Well if you are buddies then you of all people should appreciate my immediate retaliation to your comment.

Hmmffff.


:3oops:

How DO you get your thong so tightly up your ass? :mrgreen:

 

[Lerxst]

How DO you get your thong so tightly up your ass? :mrgreen:

The question is "how do I get it out."

 

[MC.no.spin]

The question is "how do I get it out."

Only QTwat wants to know the answer to that - we don't want to know! Lord knows what else you have up there. This could explain the near extinction of small rodents in the southern United States.

 

[rathi]

I respected dana despite not always agreeing with him. Sorry to see him go this way.

 

[MC.no.spin]

I respected dana despite not always agreeing with him. Sorry to see him go this way.

Go what way? To the bar? :rofl

This is like a junkie saying they just took their last hit. That's what I told him, too.

These threads are like the boy calling wolf.

We're all in Hotel California. We can check in any time we like, but we can't ever leave.

I hate all of you. :2wave:

 

[missypea]

1) Upon receiving an infraction, a forum member should have the right, if he feels the infraction was unfair, to ask for a hearing. He would communicate this wish to one of the mods.

Completely Agree

2) Upon receiving notification that a member wants a hearing, a thread should be made available in a sub forum that only the member who received the infraction, along with ALL of the mods, can see or post in.

Completely Agree

3) The member would state his case why he feels the infraction was unfair. The mods would then respond to the member's statement. The member would then have one more chance to respond to the posts of the mods, after which the mods, AS A TEAM, would make their final decision, whether to keep the infraction, or rescind it.

Completely Agree

It is a very simple system, designed to ensure fair play in the infraction point system.

The reason that I am bringing this up is because I strongly feel that I was infracted today by a mod who abused his postition.

I guess the whole point I am trying to make is that with the system that is in place, where the member IM's another mod and complains, does not ensure that the member will get a fair hearing if he feels he has been wronged. That is why I feel that a court system would be an equitable solution. 99.9% of the time, the mods do a bang up job. But mods are not God, although a couple of them probably have the unmitigated audacity to keep applying for the position.


Finally, before you all boot me permanently out of this forum, let me make a statement. Everyone here knows that I am not a complainer. I have received infraction points I deserved, and I have received a couple of infraction points I thought were questionable. I never complained about any of them the whole time. I accepted them with no hesitation, and that is the way it should normally be. But what happened to me today was complete bullshit. I did not break any god damn rule.

So, here is where it stands.

I most sincerely hope that this is a joke, Dana. I really don't want to see you go anywhere

................and if this did happen. I would hope that the mods, as a unit, would view it for what it is and reprimand whoever decided to lay it so thick.

 

[new coup for you]

well that's some bullshit

 

[Zyphlin]

I understand your complaint Dana. However, I fully and utterly disagree.

First off you don't see what happens in regards to the mod team, the infractions and warnings we give, and the flood of PM's we tend to get. You do not see the fact that likely 50-75% of all infractions (outside of *most* word filters and BN ones) are complained about in some fashion, be it small or large, by the offenders.

On ones that are clearly judgment calls that we as a community must trust mods to make, its VERY common to get complaints about it because people rarely come to a similarly negative judgment on their comments.

A "Court system" as you suggest would do nothing but slog down the mod team into non-stop bureaucratic red tape, constantly dealing with every little complaint lodged, and never actually doing anything else on the forum for the most part...including posting.

Additionally, there IS a method for doing essentially what you said. Indeed, in recent weeks, there has been an old and new infraction turned over due to the mod team putting its head together and discovering the true reason for something occurring which cleared the original posters name. There was another instance where a person PROPERLY filed their complaint, it was posted up as procedure goes into that persons infraction thread by the Mod, the mod team discussed it, and it was over turned.

Guess what, if you had followed PROPER procedures instead of this strange public martyr-esque display, yours may've very well been over turned as well. In something that was essentially the same type of thing you were asking.

Instead, you decided to further buck the rules and insult the mod team? Why? Did you think THAT kind of action was going to change anything? Did you think leaving with that kind of attitude would make us all go "Awww shucks will miss Dana".

You're a fine poster. I disagree with you often, agree with you a bit too, but you're generally a good poster. And I'd hate to see you go. But I'm not going to cry in my beer over it, espicially when you're leaving for reasons that frankly seem to be utterly and completely flawed. You're mad and leaving due to not being able to do something you could essentially do but chose not to do.

 

[the makeout hobo]

We're all in Hotel California. We can check in any time we like, but we can't ever leave.

I hate all of you. :2wave:

Wow, spin. Despite the fact that 98% of the time I believe that you need to be castrated to keep the stupid gene from spreading...

You are spot on with the Hotel California reference. I think when I tried to leave it lasted all of a week. This forum is just too engrossing.

 

[niftydrifty]

was it Zyphlin? I suspected it was him about 2 sentences into Dana's post... worst mod, ever. let's have a hearing for Zyphlin.

 

[new coup for you]

I can't believe that with all the twats on this board they ban dana.

That's truly retarded.

 

[missypea]

was it Zyphlin? I suspected it was him about 2 sentences into Dana's post... worst mod, ever. let's have a hearing for Zyphlin.

It wasn't Zyphlin......if I read the OP correctly

 

[niftydrifty]

It wasn't Zyphlin......if I read the OP correctly

oops, my bad. carry on, ya'll.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is total bullshit!

If the mod team is serious about making this forum fair, then god-dammit, walk your fucking talk! What has happened to Danarhea is just plain fucked! Whomever the mod was, you go fuck yourself, you fucking moron! He wasn't attacking anyone.

I can relate. I got warning points by making a rhetorical statement!

What Danarhea is proposing is fair and should be adopted.

If it isn't, then all this talk about making a forum fair and civil is a load of crap!

 

[missypea]

This is total bullshit!

If the mod team is serious about making this forum fair, then god-dammit, walk your fucking talk! What has happened to Danarhea is just plain fucked! Whomever the mod was, you go fuck yourself, you fucking moron! He wasn't attacking anyone.

:applaud ... :applaud

 

[new coup for you]

Mods, if you want to run off good posters through over dogmatic enforcement of the rules and sheer jerk behavior you can.

Your prize: a forum of MC.No.Spin

enjoy that.

 

[1069]

Instead, you decided to further buck the rules and insult the mod team? Why? Did you think THAT kind of action was going to change anything? Did you think leaving with that kind of attitude would make us all go "Awww shucks will miss Dana".

You say that as if "us all" are unlikely to react negatively to this; I rather suspect that mass outrage is likely.
But oh well; Dana's no teacher, and everybody forgot all about teacher after awhile.

 

[MC.no.spin]

I can't believe he thought he could get away with calling so many previous posters on that thread a moron.

/stir pot off