We men are tired of ....

[nitroexpress]

sucking it up and eating a turd sandwich is half of life for anyone dude. you're not special

Maybe, but we don't need some woman asking if we want mayo on that turd.

 

[nitroexpress]

You dismiss me based on 'fact,' but provide no facts.

And you repeated all the same things. I have nothing new to add...just re-read my previous posts...I countered all your claims. If you disagree, so be it.

LOL, and btw, myself and pretty much every other woman in the US? We're used to being sexually harassed.

And so you speak for all women? And without posting any facts. Pot -- Kettle

 

[Lursa]

And so you speak for all women? And without posting any facts. Pot -- Kettle

I never even implied I spoke for all women and I asked him for facts to disprove me.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe, but we don't need some woman asking if we want mayo on that turd.

what if she is nude and claims it is, for our own good?

 

[jaeger19]

You wrote your points. You didnt counter mine.

Sure I did. You just don't want to admit the truth.

 

[Lursa]

Sure I did. You just don't want to admit the truth.

Well said "pot"

 

[nitroexpress]

I never even implied I spoke for all women and I asked him for facts to disprove me.

You seem to have stepped on my tripwire. So while you're here, just what percentage would you say was
"myself and pretty much every other woman in the US"?

 

[nitroexpress]

what if she is nude and claims it is, for our own good?

Depends on the body. :giggling:

 

[Lursa]

You seem to have stepped on my tripwire. So while you're here, just what percentage would you say was
"myself and pretty much every other woman in the US"?

I qualified it by date...meaning those of us in the workforce thru the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s.

And I'd guess 85%. (And I clearly described how...the types of harassment/abuse in my post)

 

[jaeger19]

Well said "pot"

Well.. you are free to give some evidence that society views men being homemakers.. just as favorably as it views women as homemakers...

Good luck.

Please provide evidence that if a man is touched by a female without consent.. that female is just as likely to be charged with a crime .. as a man would that touches a female without consent.

Heck.. its only recently that some states have recognized that males can be raped by women. Most states don't recognize a women can rape a male because the male is not penetrated.

Try showing the men are just as likely to get custody of children as women are.. particularly young children.

When you have done that.. you can then say you disproved my points.

 

[jaeger19]

I qualified it by date...meaning those of us in the workforce thru the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s.

And I'd guess 85%. (And I clearly described how...the types of harassment/abuse in my post)

And if we were to ask men about that.. probably 85% or higher would say the same thing about women's behavior toward them.

(probably starting in the 1990's earlier? Not so much.)

 

[Lursa]

And if we were to ask men about that.. probably 85% or higher would say the same thing about women's behavior toward them.

(probably starting in the 1990's earlier? Not so much.)

Wow, totally disagree with that. I listed some very specific examples. And you could add coerced rape (workplace stuff, like Weinstein) to that. Little to none of that was imposed on men historically nor systemically. It was 'the good ol boys network', just 'the way it was.' And at the time, many fewer women were in positions of authority over men.

 

[Lursa]

Well.. you are free to give some evidence that society views men being homemakers.. just as favorably as it views women as homemakers...

Good luck.

Please provide evidence that if a man is touched by a female without consent.. that female is just as likely to be charged with a crime .. as a man would that touches a female without consent.

Heck.. its only recently that some states have recognized that males can be raped by women. Most states don't recognize a women can rape a male because the male is not penetrated.

Try showing the men are just as likely to get custody of children as women are.. particularly young children.

When you have done that.. you can then say you disproved my points.

I asked you to do so and it's way too much work for me to since I dont expect you to. And I dont have to show anything about custody or family law. The laws are equal now. If they are not applied equally, then dont forget that most of the judges are still men.

 

[Evilroddy]

I agree with all except for a small modification at the end. I would have said, cross our arms and stop working.

I am a man and I was tired of that video by 1:30 into it. I did watch the whole thing, repetitive and annoying as it was, but it was very aggravating. If Coach Red Pill is so damned tired of everything going on around him, let him get off his swivel chair, get his duff in action and start changing things legally rather than threatening violence towards others if they don't make the changes he wants. Real men don't whine, play the victim card and threaten violence in pouty tantrums, they roll up their sleeves and they work hard and smartly to make the changes they want to see, even if they know they will meet resistance to those changes along the way. Will coupled with enlightened awareness of others' needs, not whining in egocentric anger, is what is needed here.

In short, what a lazy arse this fellow is, spreading his creed of injustice through the repetitive cataclysms of victimhood and the veiled promise of violence. Pathetic and just about as unmanly as a man can get.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[jaeger19]

Wow, totally disagree with that. I listed some very specific examples. And you could add coerced rape (workplace stuff, like Weinstein) to that. Little to none of that was imposed on men historically nor systemically. It was 'the good ol boys network', just 'the way it was.' And at the time, many fewer women were in positions of authority over men.

Up until the 1990's.. I would agree with you. After the 1990's.. not as much. That has been imposed on men both historically and systemically since then. Particularly men in female dominated fields.. like nursing. And teaching and other industries (like retail clothing) . But its way more prevalent than ever. First.. socially.. women hitting on men is considered flattering..and certainly not inappropriate. The same behavior that's considered sexual harassment when done to a woman.. is not considered sexual harassment when done to a man.

I bet.. if we were to ask you to look at your own co workers.. you would see how often women initiate touching, and sexual innuendo and flirting. Of course its considered so acceptable and normal.. that no one even considers the behavior.

Look at the political candidates. See how often the female candidates give hugs, and touch.

And Joe Biden gets accused.

 

[jaeger19]

I asked you to do so and it's way too much work for me to since I dont expect you to. And I dont have to show anything about custody or family law. The laws are equal now. If they are not applied equally, then dont forget that most of the judges are still men.

So what if most judges are still men? How does that in any way change the fact that its unequal? ITs society that's the reason that its seen as unequal.

 

[lwf]

Up until the 1990's.. I would agree with you. After the 1990's.. not as much. That has been imposed on men both historically and systemically since then. Particularly men in female dominated fields.. like nursing. And teaching and other industries (like retail clothing) . But its way more prevalent than ever. First.. socially.. women hitting on men is considered flattering..and certainly not inappropriate. The same behavior that's considered sexual harassment when done to a woman.. is not considered sexual harassment when done to a man.

I bet.. if we were to ask you to look at your own co workers.. you would see how often women initiate touching, and sexual innuendo and flirting. Of course its considered so acceptable and normal.. that no one even considers the behavior.

Look at the political candidates. See how often the female candidates give hugs, and touch.

And Joe Biden gets accused.

Men and women exist in different social circumstances. It is true that it is less socially acceptable for a man to initiate physical contact with a woman than vice versa. This might seem unfair, but remember what we get in return: We rarely if ever have to worry about whether or not a person we are physically attracted to and would like to get to know is capable of raping us. Seems like men get the better end of that deal by a long shot.

 

[jaeger19]

Men and women exist in different social circumstances. It is true that it is less socially acceptable for a man to initiate physical contact with a woman than vice versa. This might seem unfair, but remember what we get in return: We rarely if ever have to worry about whether or not a person we are physically attracted to and would like to get to know is capable of raping us. Seems like men get the better end of that deal by a long shot.

But we don't get "anything in return"... its not a tradeoff here. And we are just as capable of being raped through coercion, or threat as a woman. The only advantage we have is that we are generally physically stronger.. and could fend off a forcible rape easier.

however.. its also much harder to defend against rape through coercion.. because who will believe us.

The authors first present what they learned from the The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, an ongoing, nationally representative survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that measures both lifetime victimization and victimization within the 12 months prior to questioning. Only the 2010 report provides data on the perpetrator’s sex. It found that over their lifetime, women were vastly more likely to experience abuse perpetrated by men, as were male victims who were penetrated without their consent. “But among men reporting other forms of sexual victimization, 68.6% reported female perpetrators,” the paper reports, while among men reporting being made to penetrate, “the form of nonconsensual sex that men are much more likely to experience in their lifetime ... 79.2% of victimized men reported female perpetrators.”Next they turn to the National Crime Victimization Survey, conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. This survey focuses on violent crime. After pooling and analyzing the data gathered in the years 2010 through 2013, the authors found female perpetrators acting without male co-perpetrators were reported in 28 percent of rape or sexual assault incidents involving male victims and 4.1 percent of incidents with female victims. Female perpetrator were reported in 34.7 percent of incidents with male victims and 4.2 percent of incidents with female victims.

How Often Do Women Rape Men? - The Atlantic

And we know that women are likely to underreport. imaging what its like for men.

 

[Lursa]

So what if most judges are still men? How does that in any way change the fact that its unequal? ITs society that's the reason that its seen as unequal.

You miss the point. The laws is equal regarding it's application to both genders, it's supposed to be applied equally.

It is up to the judges to apply it that way. So if it's not being applied equally, the fault is mostly under the control of male judges...who could and should be protecting men's equal interests.

 

[lwf]

But we don't get "anything in return"... its not a tradeoff here. And we are just as capable of being raped through coercion, or threat as a woman. The only advantage we have is that we are generally physically stronger.. and could fend off a forcible rape easier.

however.. its also much harder to defend against rape through coercion.. because who will believe us.

How Often Do Women Rape Men? - The Atlantic

And we know that women are likely to underreport. imaging what its like for men.

Yes, men can be raped by a woman, but it is exceedingly rare. The majority of men do not live in fear of it because it is extremely unlikely that they will ever be in that situation. In fact, the majority of men have absolutely no idea what that is like to be in physical fear of rape. Many women do because they are objectively far more likely to be the victims of rape than men are. Add to this the fact that almost every woman has felt sexually threatened by a man at least once in her life, while very few men have ever felt this way. This is not fair for women, yet it is the world we live in, so I tend to think twice before complaining about the fact that men have to be careful about their words and actions around women. Women have to be just as careful with their words and actions for the same reason: Giving the wrong man the wrong impression can be extremely dangerous for them. Both genders have to be careful because women are on average more vulnerable than men.

 

[SDET]

I'm more of a self-help kind of guy. I'm tired of the same things that Coach Red Pill is. However, there are over 7 billion people on the planet. You can make your own environment by whom you choose to interact with. Videos like these just give me a good checklist of what kind of person I want to get out of my presence as quickly as possible.

I am a man and I was tired of that video by 1:30 into it. I did watch the whole thing, repetitive and annoying as it was, but it was very aggravating. If Coach Red Pill is so damned tired of everything going on around him, let him get off his swivel chair, get his duff in action and start changing things legally rather than threatening violence towards others if they don't make the changes he wants. Real men don't whine, play the victim card and threaten violence in pouty tantrums, they roll up their sleeves and they work hard and smartly to make the changes they want to see, even if they know they will meet resistance to those changes along the way. Will coupled with enlightened awareness of others' needs, not whining in egocentric anger, is what is needed here.

In short, what a lazy arse this fellow is, spreading his creed of injustice through the repetitive cataclysms of victimhood and the veiled promise of violence. Pathetic and just about as unmanly as a man can get.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[SDET]

I would imagine that fear would be similar to a couple of times where I was in a time and place that would lend itself to being kidnapped for ransom. It's like walking on thin ice. Of course the best way to not need to be careful about one's words and actions around women is to just not to be around women. What you're describing in an effort, which is a form of work, which is a form of expense. It lowers the cost-benefit calculation of interacting with a woman.

Yes, men can be raped by a woman, but it is exceedingly rare. The majority of men do not live in fear of it because it is extremely unlikely that they will ever be in that situation. In fact, the majority of men have absolutely no idea what that is like to be in physical fear of rape. Many women do because they are objectively far more likely to be the victims of rape than men are. Add to this the fact that almost every woman has felt sexually threatened by a man at least once in her life, while very few men have ever felt this way. This is not fair for women, yet it is the world we live in, so I tend to think twice before complaining about the fact that men have to be careful about their words and actions around women. Women have to be just as careful with their words and actions for the same reason: Giving the wrong man the wrong impression can be extremely dangerous for them. Both genders have to be careful because women are on average more vulnerable than men.

 

[CaughtInThe]

there must be a ton of socially inept men who don't know how to deal with living humans or how to better themselves.

 

[SDET]

It's not a matter of knowing how. It's a matter of any payoff being greater than the effort. One can spend three years learning a foreign language or ten years learning how to kiss society's ass. The three years is the better investment.

there must be a ton of socially inept men who don't know how to deal with living humans or how to better themselves.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's not a matter of knowing how. It's a matter of any payoff being greater than the effort. One can spend three years learning a foreign language or ten years learning how to kiss society's ass. The three years is the better investment.

or you can spend 10 minutes learning how to deal with other humans. you're in Texas. you can do it.