We Have a Spending Problem

[Vern]

You are pretending to yourself that Republicans in office are concrete and don't change as their constituents change. Politicians are inherently flexible representatives particularly when the nation they represent is perfectly flexible and split 50-50 with the center, where the deciding votes are, always shifting. Nevertheless, Rand Paul stood up as did others and everyone will the second there is enough support to do so. Do you understand now? Too subtle for you?

no james, you're pretending that your conservative masters didn't pander and lie to you for 8 years about deficits. You and yours foamed at the mouth about deficits under President Obama now don't care. So again, republicans "stood up" when there was no chance of balancing the budget. Now they sit down very quietly. very very quietly. You obediently make excuses.

 

[James972]

Now they sit down very quietly. very very quietly. You obediently make excuses.

actually we live in a democracy. the second there is support for a balanced budget Republicans will rise to support it. Does the liberal grasp this complex point??

 

[jonny5]

actually we live in a democracy. the second there is support for a balanced budget Republicans will rise to support it. Does the liberal grasp this complex point??

It would need 3/4 states to pass so Democrat states would never ratify it. This has to be solved in congress, and as you say, until the voters replace congress members of both parties with people with principles, it wont change.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Yeah, over 600 billion on the miltary

 

[James972]

Yeah, over 600 billion on the miltary

we should cut back so Iran and North Korea will have no trouble nuking us -right? See why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance. Is any other conclusion possible.

 

[FieldTheorist]

400bn in interest is a problem. 30% of that is money taken right out of my paycheck and paid to China. Thats a big problem for my quality of life.

What's a real problem for your quality of life is a whether or not there's a healthy economy, advanced medical and scientific research, good infrastructure, jobs with living wages, a good economic environment for a small business, etc. All of that is contingent upon public funding, either because vital parts of those are necessarily supported by public funding, or else because they're completely publicly owned and funded.

It's just a neoliberal/libertarian fantasy that you can have a first-world, scientifically advanced civilization that doesn't have a large amount of publicly funded and/or publicly owned institutions. It's why the Koch brothers argue that no one should get government funding for their enterprises --everyone except for the billions that their industry takes in in subsidies and publicly-funded scientific and engineering research into the oil and coal industry. Then, apparently, it's okay to use billions in public funds.

 

[James972]

until the voters replace congress members of both parties with people with principles, it wont change.

by people with principles you mean Republicans who would make federal debt illegal?

 

[Vern]

actually we live in a democracy. the second there is support for a balanced budget Republicans will rise to support it. Does the liberal grasp this complex point??

james, its not a point. Its a delusion. And the point of your delusion to not acknowledge republicans routinely claimed to want to balance the budget when a democrat was president and now don't. Your conservative masters appreciate your obedience but even you have to realize republicans are flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits. And this includes "wanting to balance the budget".

 

[James972]

It's just a neoliberal/libertarian fantasy that you can have a first-world, scientifically advanced civilization that doesn't have a large amount of publicly funded and/or publicly owned institutions.

and the liberal bases that on how well libturd monopoly bureaucrats do with post office, health care, education?? And how well soviet and red chinese bureaucrat monopolists did as 120 million slowly starved to death.

 

[James972]

james, its not a point. Its a delusion. And the point of your delusion to not acknowledge republicans routinely claimed to want to balance the budget when a democrat was president and now don't.

so??? if they don't its obviously because there is not enough support? Right??? If they do its because they are reading the tea leaves to say there is enough support/ Still going over your head?

 

[James972]

Your conservative masters appreciate your obedience .

what obedience? Do you have any idea??

 

[Vern]

It would need 3/4 states to pass so Democrat states would never ratify it. This has to be solved in congress, and as you say, until the voters replace congress members of both parties with people with principles, it wont change.

oh look, jonny blames democrat states for republicans failure to even attempt to balance the budget now that they control congress and the WH. What a magical world you live in. But jonny, a balanced budget proposal from congress doesn't require a constitutional amendment. You're just making excuses rather than acknowledge that republicans are flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits. And what proves you know they lied and are just making excuses is you didn't make that silly "3/4 states to pass" excuse 5 years ago. You thought the trick was to elect republicans

So there you go, Obama has no interest in balancing the budget. And that is wrong, and nothing can be done about it except voting out congress in 2 years.

So you've been clueless about flaming lying hypocrite republicans for at least 5 years. you think "balancing the budget" is some sort of principle both parties should aspire to. Its pathetic because you again don't hold republicans accountable for being flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits and you think balancing the budget is necessary. Again, you voted for republicans because you wanted a balanced budget. Now you pretend its okay they lied to you.

 

[Vern]

what obedience? Do you have any idea??

making excuses for them instead acknowledging that your conservative masters are flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits. its pretty clear but alas, pretend confusion is such a conservative staple its hard to tell when you are actually confused.

 

[James972]

republicans are flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits. And this includes "wanting to balance the budget".

you have already learned 3 times that politicians must naturally shift positions with voters who do the same thing. Still over your head? Really?

Last night I saw a long video tape of Democrats shifting their positions on immigration. Welcome to the real world!

now that you've learned that lesson do you want to learn why a BBA is important?

 

[James972]

oh look, jonny blames democrat states for republicans failure to even attempt to balance the budget now that they control congress and the WH.

it would be stupid or suicidal when there is little support so of course liberals would love to see Republicans do that. Do you understand?

 

[Vern]

so??? if they don't its obviously because there is not enough support? Right??? If they do its because they are reading the tea leaves to say there is enough support/ Still going over your head?

james, this is a debate forum. Not a preteen conservative chatroom. In a preteen conservative chatroom you can pretend that republicans didn't routinely call for a balanced budget or repeal Obamacare. They ignored the "tea leaves" when they knew they weren't in power. Stop making obedient excuses and just admit your conservative masters are flaming lying hypocrites concerning deficits.

 

[Vern]

it would be stupid or suicidal when there is little support so of course liberals would love to see Republicans do that. Do you understand?

james, you really need to stop spamming up the thread. You just don't get to ignore republicans "wanting" to balance the budget when a democrat is president and now are increasing the deficit. And by conservative standards, they are massively increases.

 

[James972]

Now you pretend its okay they lied to you.

still struggling to grasp the point I see. Ever wonder why Democrats don't promise to balance the budget or pass a BBA? Because they need to always spend more on welfare to buy votes?

 

[FieldTheorist]

and the liberal bases that on how well libturd monopoly bureaucrats do with post office, health care, education?? And how well soviet and red chinese bureaucrat monopolists did as 120 million slowly starved to death.

Your argument is as compelling as your grammar is good.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Your argument is as compelling as your grammar is good.

I ain'tn't seeing any issues with his grammar. What are you talking about?

 

[MTAtech]

400bn in interest is a problem. 30% of that is money taken right out of my paycheck and paid to China. Thats a big problem for my quality of life.

Except that about half of the debt is Intragovernmental Holdings -- the portion of the federal debt owed to 230 other federal agencies. It totals $5.6 trillion, almost 30 percent of the debt. The rest of the money is either owed to other Americans, of which the interest is income to them, or foreigners. Foreign are owed $6.004 trillion, as of December 2016.

 

[James972]

james, this is a debate forum. Not a preteen conservative chatroom. In a preteen conservative chatroom you can pretend that republicans didn't routinely call for a balanced budget or repeal Obamacare. .

if the liberal has evidence I pretended I'll him $10,000. BEt??

 

[James972]

They ignored the "tea leaves" when they knew they weren't in power.

politicians get to stay politicians by pushing their personal position only as far as the voters will allow.Do you grasp it now?

 

[James972]

pretend confusion is such a conservative staple.

do you have a good example of this pretend confusion?

 

[MTAtech]

we have a full employment low wage economy after liberals shipped so many jobs off shore and invited in 30 million illegals to bid down our wages so we are in the odd position of still needing to stimulate. Do you understand?
to raise wages

So, it was liberals that shipped the jobs overseas, huh? How someone can be so brainwashed.

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