We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

[Irredentist]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

One thing that poster @Lursa brought to my attention. Men lost lots of power because they simply gave it away. The guy that spends $100 on a date that results in a cuddle and a peck on the cheek should have been more astute.

Men come to the table with earning power, women come to the table with sex. It seems like the goal is to get the man's earnings for little or nothing in return.

The idea that men have to pay for dinner is outdated in any case. I've had women buy ME dinner before. But usually we split the bill. If sex happens it happens. If she doesn't want it I'm not going to pressure her. Sex isn't appealing to me unless she wants it too.

 

[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

The idea that men have to pay for dinner is outdated in any case. I've had women buy ME dinner before. But usually we split the bill. If sex happens it happens. If she doesn't want it I'm not going to pressure her. Sex isn't appealing to me unless she wants it too.

It took me awhile to learn that. A cute 20 yr old Mexican prostitute took the time to demonstrate and explain exactly that. She had me try it my way with no input from her. You can't just program a person like a computer. She asked if I preferred to see her have a fake orgasm or a real one. A real one of course. Once she had a general idea what I liked, she built on that and had me modify it in a way that she liked. I never forgot that lesson.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Should women leave men who abuse them? Obviously. Can we reasonably expect every abused woman to leave immediately? Of course not. Needing a place to stay, food to eat, and help with your children are not strictly concerns of the past. They are real issues here and now. I personally know women who stayed in bad relationships because they really had no other choice.

It's not always as simple as reporting the abuser and getting him locked up. You still have to prove your case, which can be difficult without physical evidence. Her word against his isn't going to be enough. Some places have good attorney generals, and shelters for battered women. Others do not. So let's not get ahead of ourselves by expecting women to deal with this on their own. Because that's just not going to work.

There are plenty of places to go...

In what scenario is it better to stay with an abuser, who literally might kill her or the children in America???

Come on...


On one hand her and the kids might have to sleep on a cot for a few..

On the other they might be beaten to death..

Hmmmm

Which hand to choose..


It is inconvenient to leave “immediately “ (obviously someone might have to wait till he is at work or whatever), but in this hypothetical we are playing for the species here..






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[Irredentist]

There are plenty of places to go...

In what scenario is it better to stay with an abuser, who literally might kill her or the children in America???

Come on...


On one hand her and the kids might have to sleep on a cot for a few..

On the other they might be beaten to death..

Hmmmm

Which hand to choose..


It is inconvenient to leave “immediately “ (obviously someone might have to wait till he is at work or whatever), but in this hypothetical we are playing for the species here..






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I'm not saying it's better to stay with an abuser. I'm saying some women don't have a choice. Or at the very least, they feel that they don't have a choice. That's why they need our support, stay or leave.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Should women leave men who abuse them? Obviously. Can we reasonably expect every abused woman to leave immediately? Of course not. Needing a place to stay, food to eat, and help with your children are not strictly concerns of the past. They are real issues here and now. I personally know women who stayed in bad relationships because they really had no other choice.

It's not always as simple as reporting the abuser and getting him locked up. You still have to prove your case, which can be difficult without physical evidence. Her word against his isn't going to be enough. Some places have good attorney generals, and shelters for battered women. Others do not. So let's not get ahead of ourselves by expecting women to deal with this on their own. Because that's just not going to work.

I find the nearly impossible part is getting women to “All” to refuse to give any a second chance..and I don’t mean a second chance for their relationship. I mean the next girl in line giving him a second chance.

It would be just as impossible to get “all” men to do anything specific..

But if you compare it to the animal kingdom, women run bonobo (type of primate) tribes and there is no rape or murder.. they run the tribe by uniting against the stronger males, well and using sex to overtly control them.

If a guy tries to rape or attack some female or child, the whole tribes females beats his @$$. Then once he calms down maybe one goes and bangs him..

With chimps it is the opposite. Makes run the society and it is all rape and murder.




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[ArtemisBarca]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

How does the 'not again' movement happen without the 'me too' movement?

Will we randomly select people instead of dealing with evidence?

I assume you are referring to the “all women should be believed” narrative, and honesty I don’t like it , but I see no other way..

That doesn’t mean you have to keep believing her once her story falls apart, but you have to give Humber the benefit of the doubt, unlike most crimes where it is innocent until proven guilty.

When talking about a serious crime that is all he said , she said. If you give the potential rapist the benefit of the doubt, none are ever convicted.

We almost only ever have the 2 people’s testimony.

So if we assume the male is innocent, or their testimonies are equal, they would cancel each other out..

Meaning the only rapists ever prosecuted are when strangers attack someone.... every case of date rape or where the 2 people knew each other before hand would ever see a trial..

Then if you prosecute those who “falsely accuse people”.. then every time a real rapist beat the system, the victim is now prosecuted or sued for the “false” accusation.

I just don’t see any other way than to give the victim the benefit of the doubt, until her story starts to fall apart...






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[ArtemisBarca]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

It seems more important, to me, that his plan requires 'me too'. Identification is necessary before shunning. One cannot shun without identification, right? I mean, that's just using a basic ability to think. It's below common sense. It's just above breathing.

So there's no internal logic.

I don't know what "simping" is, but it cannot be a bad as a total lack of internal logic. He makes no sense at all. How could "simping" be worse?

No my hypothetical is they go to the police , when it happens rather than Facebook 30 years later....

Big flipping difference..

If people went to the authorities and reported it, there is no need to tell your story for identification years later..

Stories I might add that can never be verified and almost never lead to accountability.

The victim feels better, gets some sympathy attention and then curls up next to the abuser in bed that night..

That isn’t helping anyone in a real way.. that is a bandaid on a bullet wound.


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[ArtemisBarca]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Simping is among other things being a total ass kisser and uber male feminist in hopes some chick will like you.

Oh I don’t think many women are gong to like this post..

They tend to hate the thought that evolution has them (and males) doing things unintentionally.

Plus they do not at all like the thought that rape and abuse is “their problem to fix”..

Me thinks you seem like one of those “ involuntarily celebrate crowd”..

You are using their terminology.


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[Irredentist]

I find the nearly impossible part is getting women to “All” to refuse to give any a second chance..and I don’t mean a second chance for their relationship. I mean the next girl in line giving him a second chance.

It would be just as impossible to get “all” men to do anything specific..

But if you compare it to the animal kingdom, women run bonobo (type of primate) tribes and there is no rape or murder.. they run the tribe by uniting against the stronger males, well and using sex to overtly control them.

If a guy tries to rape or attack some female or child, the whole tribes females beats his @$$. Then once he calms down maybe one goes and bangs him..

With chimps it is the opposite. Makes run the society and it is all rape and murder.




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I think I understand your argument. You want women to exercise more discretion in who they have sex with, in order to exert social control over male behavior. I actually think this is a good idea. The problem, as you noted, would be getting all women on board with it. Furthermore, I believe that MeToo is actually a good first step towards making that happen.

 

[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

I assume you are referring to the “all women should be believed” narrative, and honesty I don’t like it , but I see no other way..

That doesn’t mean you have to keep believing her once her story falls apart, but you have to give Humber the benefit of the doubt, unlike most crimes where it is innocent until proven guilty.

When talking about a serious crime that is all he said , she said. If you give the potential rapist the benefit of the doubt, none are ever convicted.

We almost only ever have the 2 people’s testimony.

So if we assume the male is innocent, or their testimonies are equal, they would cancel each other out..

Meaning the only rapists ever prosecuted are when strangers attack someone.... every case of date rape or where the 2 people knew each other before hand would ever see a trial..

Then if you prosecute those who “falsely accuse people”.. then every time a real rapist beat the system, the victim is now prosecuted or sued for the “false” accusation.

I just don’t see any other way than to give the victim the benefit of the doubt, until her story starts to fall apart...






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How about we count men as three fifths of a person? In other words, it would take the testimony of five men to equal three women?

We already have the precedent in the US where it's acceptable to count some people as three fifths of a person!

The "Three-Fifths" compromise - African American Registry

 

[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Oh I don’t think many women are gong to like this post..

They tend to hate the thought that evolution has them (and males) doing things unintentionally.

Plus they do not at all like the thought that rape and abuse is “their problem to fix”..

Me thinks you seem like one of those “ involuntarily celebrate crowd”..

You are using their terminology.


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Think that if it makes you feel better.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

I'm not saying it's better to stay with an abuser. I'm saying some women don't have a choice. Or at the very least, they feel that they don't have a choice. That's why they need our support, stay or leave.

I agree completely they do not feel like they have a choice, but feelings are not reality.. they are how we perceive reality.

If you feel like your girlfriend/boyfriend is cheating, that doesn’t mean he/she is..

The actual real life reality is that leaving is the only real choice..


I personally think, and this is outta my butt, I have never seen an expert make this case...


I think it is an evolutionary remnant from caveman days.. if you left your mate then , you starved.. for hundreds of thousands of years... at least that long..

It is like the appendix..maybe it used to serve a purpose , but now it just gets infected.

I think that is where the irrational fear of leaving the one person putting them in danger comes from.

But rape is also an evolutionary remnant from caveman days..

If we are gonna start excusing crappy actions because they are evolutionary remnants we are in for way more trouble..




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[Moonglow]

Why do yous people have such hung ups on relationships and about sex?

 

[ArtemisBarca]

I think I understand your argument. You want women to exercise more discretion in who they have sex with, in order to exert social control over male behavior. I actually think this is a good idea. The problem, as you noted, would be getting all women on board with it. Furthermore, I believe that MeToo is actually a good first step towards making that happen.

Bingo..

Except maybe “want” is to strong a term.. more I think it would work faster than anything else I can think of...

Expecting males who do not do those things to police the rest is even less realistic I think..

And expecting rapist types not to rape is just laughable..

It seems to me that is the present narrative.. that somehow the non-rapists are just gonna teach their children better...

If that was really viable I don’t think rape would exist today... relatively no one tells their children rape and wife beating is ok.. and I’m sure rates have dropped as we get more civilized.. but at such a slow rate..


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[SDET]

Why do yous people have such hung ups on relationships and about sex?

PTSD from age zero to 20. Once many guys get into their 20s, they figure out how not to be a sucker.

 

[Moonglow]

PTSD from age zero to 20. Once many guys get into their 20s, they figure out how not to be a sucker.

The day I turned 18 I got a job as a male stripper and the chicks throw themselves upon you.

 

[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Oh I don’t think many women are gong to like this post..

They tend to hate the thought that evolution has them (and males) doing things unintentionally.

Plus they do not at all like the thought that rape and abuse is “their problem to fix”..

Me thinks you seem like one of those “ involuntarily celebrate crowd”..

You are using their terminology.


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Simping generally comes from being raised by a single mother which fosters a mentality that a man's place is to serve women. MGTOW may have an incel influence nowadays, but it started with military personnel that got shafted by their wives while deployed.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Why do yous people have such hung ups on relationships and about sex?

Your gonna have to be way more specific than that...

I don’t even know where sexual hang ups enter the picture with this subject..


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[SDET]

I think I understand your argument. You want women to exercise more discretion in who they have sex with, in order to exert social control over male behavior. I actually think this is a good idea. The problem, as you noted, would be getting all women on board with it. Furthermore, I believe that MeToo is actually a good first step towards making that happen.

In such a scenario, Mexico would look better all the time. Being governed by a drug cartel is preferable to being controlled by a bunch of harpies. Presumably exerting control means dispatching any pretense of a free society.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Simping generally comes from being raised by a single mother which fosters a mentality that a man's place is to serve women. MGTOW may have an incel influence nowadays, but it started with military personnel that got shafted by their wives while deployed.

Ahh a reference to Jodie..lol


Where did you get any of that from the OP?!?!

Or did you just read the title and start typing??


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[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Ahh a reference to Jodie..lol


Where did you get any of that from the OP?!?!

Or did you just read the title and start typing??


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You're the one that used the term "involuntary celibate". You're misrepresenting the reason for using the term Simping.

 

[Moonglow]

Your gonna have to be way more specific than that...

I don’t even know where sexual hang ups enter the picture with this subject..


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The OP is talking about how females are the ones that choose who to mate with...

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

You're the one that used the term "involuntary celibate". You're misrepresenting the reason for using the term Simping.

Yea to discover the fact you said simping a term I have never even heard before..

I have watched a documentary on incels though..

Your the one using incel terms that no one outside of an incel message board would recognize.


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[ArtemisBarca]

The OP is talking about how females are the ones that choose who to mate with...

Because they do...lol

Did you see where I said that was a negative?!!




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[SDET]

Re: We don’t need a “me too movement “. We need a “never again movement “.

Yea to discover the fact you said simping a term I have never even heard before..

I have watched a documentary on incels though..

Your the one using incel terms that no one outside of an incel message board would recognize.


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