We Are Never Going to Run Out of Oil (1 Viewer)

[Jack Hays]

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Like I stated, I am not saying the findings are not true...I was just questioning the original linked source of that information.

That is almost always what I do first when I see a source for economics...check out the source before I read it.

Fair enough.

 

[Fenton]

Renewable energy is cheaper than oil. China make very cheap solar panels but our elites prevent us from buying them. They say that China is "dumping". The reason solar is made so expensive in the west is to ensure that it does not threaten the power of oil and the petrodallor system that is key to maintaining the reserve status of the USD.

Nonsense.

Solar power is a absolute joke. Its been pushed as this amazing alternative that's on the cutting edge of technology but the reality is it's been around since the 70s.

Hell, the first Photovoltaic Cell was patented over 125 years ago.

As a technology it cant stand on its own merits and compete with Fossil Fuels unless its heavily subsidized by both the Tax payer and the Consumer.

And NO, Solar power is not " cheaper " than oil.

Ask the average German how cheap alternative energy is.

 

[Econ4every1]

Were not all involved considered experts?

Have you never considered the design flaws that lead to the Titanic's rapid demise?

It wasn't designed to run into an iceberg, to take the kind if damage that it did. The engineers made reasonable assumptions about how ships are navigated through areas with icebergs and those rules weren't followed. If you had told the engineers that they would have to design the ship to take the impact that it did, chances are they would have designed it differently and it may have been to expensive to build.

But what is you're point? The space shuttle, one of the most incredible pieces of equipment ever built failed no less than twice. The worlds safest models of aircraft crash every 17,000,000 hours of flight time, Costa Concordia anyone?

 

[Jack Hays]

It wasn't designed to run into an iceberg, to take the kind if damage that it did. The engineers made reasonable assumptions about how ships are navigated through areas with icebergs and those rules weren't followed. If you had told the engineers that they would have to design the ship to take the impact that it did, chances are they would have designed it differently and it may have been to expensive to build.

But what is you're point? The space shuttle, one of the most incredible pieces of equipment ever built failed no less than twice. The worlds safest models of aircraft crash every 17,000,000 hours of flight time, Costa Concordia anyone?

Reportedly, use of inferior steel caused multiple rivets to pop when the ship hit the iceberg. There was not a gash in the hull so much as widespread collapse and falling away of the skin.

 

[Misterveritis]

Re: Relying upon experts, rejecting all others.

It wasn't designed to run into an iceberg, to take the kind if damage that it did. The engineers made reasonable assumptions about how ships are navigated through areas with icebergs and those rules weren't followed. If you had told the engineers that they would have to design the ship to take the impact that it did, chances are they would have designed it differently and it may have been to expensive to build.

But what is you're point? The space shuttle, one of the most incredible pieces of equipment ever built failed no less than twice. The worlds safest models of aircraft crash every 17,000,000 hours of flight time, Costa Concordia anyone?

Given that its operational environment included northern Atlantic routes that contain icebergs don't you see that as a major engineering design flaw brought on by inadequate requirements? It is not a reasonable assumption to fail to consider one of the more dangerous aspects of the operational environment.

What is my point? You reject wisdom from some who have it because they are not experts. Experts fail.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Yes they are. China can make them for almost nothing. But our elites will not allow us to purchase them.

Why does America hate Open Trade anyway? Cant compete with China is why.

There is literally no other country in the world that values open trade like the USA.

 

[Misterveritis]

Reportedly, use of inferior steel caused multiple rivets to pop when the ship hit the iceberg. There was not a gash in the hull so much as widespread collapse and falling away of the skin.

There was a design flaw involving sharp edges that tore under the strain of the collision. I can believe that the rivets were a lower grade fastener than what was needed.

It has been a long while since I studied this engineering failure. I wonder if I still have any of the materials? I will look around.

 

[Misterveritis]

But what is you're point? The space shuttle, one of the most incredible pieces of equipment ever built failed no less than twice. The worlds safest models of aircraft crash every 17,000,000 hours of flight time, Costa Concordia anyone?

The space shuttle also operates in a very demanding environment. I suppose one could say the north Atlantic is a very demanding environment.

 

[Jack Hays]

There was a design flaw involving sharp edges that tore under the strain of the collision. I can believe that the rivets were a lower grade fastener than what was needed.

It has been a long while since I studied this engineering failure. I wonder if I still have any of the materials? I will look around.

Here you go. You can probably make better use of these than most.

1. [h=3]JOM Article on The Titanic: Did a Metallurgical Failure ... - TMS[/h]www.tms.org/.../felkins-9801.ht...The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society
   
   
   by K Felkins - ‎Cited by 31 - ‎Related articles
   The Royal Mail Ship Titanic: Did a Metallurgical Failure Cause a Night to Remember? ... A metallurgical analysis of hull steel recovered from the ship's wreckage ...
   
   
   
2. [h=3]Did The Builders of the "Titanic" Use Inferior Steel? - Straight ...[/h]boards.straightdope.com › ... › Main › General Questions
   Jan 6, 2011 - 8 posts - ‎5 authors
   I was watching one of those interminable "Titanic" documentaries, and the latest theory of the sinking us that the collision with the iceberg ...
   
   
   
3. [h=3]Testing Shows Titanic Steel Was Brittle -- ScienceDaily[/h]www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/.../971227000141.ht...Science Daily
   
   
   Dec 27, 1997 - Inferior steel wasn't the only reason the luxury ocean liner Titanic sank in the early morning hours of April 15, 1912. Other factors -- such as ...
   
   
   
4. [h=3]Steel of the Titanic - Capital Steel & Wire[/h]www.capitalsteel.net/news/blog/steel-titanic
   The steel used for the Titanic was far inferior to the steel typically used today, and was much more brittle and not nearly as impact resistant. However, it was ...
   
   
   
5. [h=3]Titanic Tech Questions - Marconigraph.com[/h]marconigraph.com/titanic/tech/mgy_tech.html
   What was the single greatest technological flourish on the Titanic? Was there anything .... Did the builders use inferior steel in Titanic's construction? The current ...
   
   
   
6. [h=3]Weak Rivets Might Have Caused the Titanic to Sink[/h]www.titanicuniverse.com/weak-rivets-might-have...the-titanic.../1108
   Recent in-depth research into the sinking of the Titanic has discovered that faulty ... Scientists have recently recovered documents that tell tales of inferior metal ...
   
   
   

 

[Misterveritis]

Here you go. You can probably make better use of these than most.

1. [h=3]JOM Article on The Titanic: Did a Metallurgical Failure ... - TMS[/h]www.tms.org/.../felkins-9801.ht...The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society
   
   
   by K Felkins - ‎Cited by 31 - ‎Related articles
   The Royal Mail Ship Titanic: Did a Metallurgical Failure Cause a Night to Remember? ... A metallurgical analysis of hull steel recovered from the ship's wreckage ...
   
   
   
2. [h=3]Did The Builders of the "Titanic" Use Inferior Steel? - Straight ...[/h]boards.straightdope.com › ... › Main › General Questions
   Jan 6, 2011 - 8 posts - ‎5 authors
   I was watching one of those interminable "Titanic" documentaries, and the latest theory of the sinking us that the collision with the iceberg ...
   
   
   
3. [h=3]Testing Shows Titanic Steel Was Brittle -- ScienceDaily[/h]www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/.../971227000141.ht...Science Daily
   
   
   Dec 27, 1997 - Inferior steel wasn't the only reason the luxury ocean liner Titanic sank in the early morning hours of April 15, 1912. Other factors -- such as ...
   
   
   
4. [h=3]Steel of the Titanic - Capital Steel & Wire[/h]www.capitalsteel.net/news/blog/steel-titanic
   The steel used for the Titanic was far inferior to the steel typically used today, and was much more brittle and not nearly as impact resistant. However, it was ...
   
   
   
5. [h=3]Titanic Tech Questions - Marconigraph.com[/h]marconigraph.com/titanic/tech/mgy_tech.html
   What was the single greatest technological flourish on the Titanic? Was there anything .... Did the builders use inferior steel in Titanic's construction? The current ...
   
   
   
6. [h=3]Weak Rivets Might Have Caused the Titanic to Sink[/h]www.titanicuniverse.com/weak-rivets-might-have...the-titanic.../1108
   Recent in-depth research into the sinking of the Titanic has discovered that faulty ... Scientists have recently recovered documents that tell tales of inferior metal ...
   
   
   

The steel was brittle in cold water. The rivets were not quite right for the application. In addition the punches, from memory, used to create the holes had sharp edges. Picture the bottom of a "V". Under stress the steel would tear apart at the base of the "V". That was one of the design changes made in the third ship (again from memory).

Thank you. I will read them more carefully later.

 

[Econ4every1]

Reportedly, use of inferior steel caused multiple rivets to pop when the ship hit the iceberg. There was not a gash in the hull so much as widespread collapse and falling away of the skin.

Point taken and I'd heard that as well. We'll never know what would have have happened if the ship was made with better quality steel, but the point I was making, Is that I'm not sure what point the person I responded to was making.

 

[sangha]

Um, Jack...the quotes above refer to natural gas, not oil. It's disingenuous to refer to our reserves of natural gas as 'proof' that we'll never run out of oil.

What an idiotic OP

IOW, par for the course

 

[Misterveritis]

Point taken and I'd heard that as well. We'll never know what would have have happened if the ship was made with better quality steel, but the point I was making, Is that I'm not sure what point the person I responded to was making.

After reading the materials the steel was about as good as they were able to buy at the time. We know, today, that its composition becomes very brittle in the waters they were in.

If this occurred today this issue would be identified as a requirements failure. A system, in this case the Titanic, must perform within the environment it was intended to operate in. Only from the perspective of the steel I don't think they had enough information to make more appropriate design decisions.

 

[DA60]

Never say never.

 

[humbolt]

Never say never.

I never do.

 

[DA60]

I never do.

I never say never unless I am saying never in relation to the phrase 'never say never' except when I say never for non-related reasons. So I actually cannot say that I never say never except that I just did say never say never so I guess I can say that I never say never except that I believe that one should never say never...