We are all god's children is what I'm told, a brotherhood of man if you will. I find this to be so far from the truth it ain't funny. (1 Viewer)

[Lees]

You said I made an affirmative claim. Cite the claim made! My post # with the claim, not yours!

Again yes. The burden of proof lies on the one making the affirmative claim.

I fail to see the issue. Having proof or even evidence is a good thing and helps establish the veracity I'd a claim.

I certainly hope so.

Which means I have no reason to accept faith/belief.

Where did anyone say you were wrong? Atheists simply challenge claims made by theists. Theists certainly cannot seem to prove themselves right.

As has been said before, belief does not equal fact. You can believe whatever you want. But without evidence or proof, belief is nothing more than wishful thinking. And certainly no reason to be taken with any serious consideration.

Your post #(172).

Again, no. God gave the believer no burden to prove. We are simply to declare the truth. (Acts 13:32) "And we declare unto you glad tidings...." (Rom 3:25-26) "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness...." (1 John 1:3) "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you...."

I just explained the issue. If I were to prove God to you by your reason and logic you don't come by faith. Which means you don't come. God has made it a by faith salvation.

You can hope so, but you can't come to God by reason or proof. Only by faith. Only faith moves God to act and save one.

That's fine. You don't have to believe it. I never said you did.

Proof is not part of the equation. It will not produce God's salvation. Only faith. Quite simple really.

(1 John 5:13) "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eteranl life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." I know God is there and Christ is His Son and my Saviour. I know it. If persecution came and I was forced under torture to say God does not exist, I would just be a lying Christian. Because I know otherwise.

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[Lees]

No. Your feelings are that he exists... if you knew he existed you would have some proof.


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No, I know God exists and Christ is my Saviour. My feelings play no role in my faith.

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[Lees]

Prophets convinced you that they were inspired... hey, I have a Bridge that I would love to sell you...



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No, the Bible claims to be the Word of God and I believe it. No convincing needed.

(John 3:16) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

(Rev. 22:17) "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

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[Bodi]

No, I know God exists and Christ is my Saviour. My feelings play no role in my faith.

Lees

You clearly do not understand the difference between facts and feelings.


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[Bodi]

No, the Bible claims to be the Word of God and I believe it. No convincing needed.

(John 3:16) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

(Rev. 22:17) "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Lees

Bodi is right because Bodi says he is right... defeat that.


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[Lees]

You clearly do not understand the difference between facts and feelings.


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As I said, feelings play no role in my faith.

Bodi is right because Bodi says he is right... defeat that.


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I don't have to 'defeat' it. I just don't believe it. What Bodi says is contrary to what the Bible says.

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[bongsaway]

There's good energy between us but I strongly advise others to NOT follow me as an example as I have arrived here through a rather unusual means. I joined AA and they said I had to have a 'higher power"...soon that became Christ as I had Catholicism rammed into my brain for the first ten years of my life. It took a long, long time to undo that mind control.
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Through the need for a 'higher power" in AA I ended up in a Christian sect and ended up enrolled in Regent College where I began pursuit of a degree in theology. I thought I would make a great pastor.

The work tedious and boring as everything has been written at least once; there is no such thing as "new ground". There are no extra marks for originality or style.

Then it occurred to me that the whole story was bullshit and took it from there. I would say they "educated" me right out of the church as I could find no reason to believe, no desire to be a follower and in the end I was hugely judgemental of god and ho he treated Adam and Eve and especially Job.

I am an agnostic today. I allow for the possibility of a being greater than I but that leaves a lot of possibilities.

An excellent way to describe your uninvesting in the Catholic religion. I can say the exact same thing, they educated the belief right out of me. I don't want to follow your path, I had my own personal path of destruction with heroin. I'm interested in today's you. I'm sure you have some good war stories from your past but it's the past.

 

[Gordy327]

Your post #(172).

Where in there is the affirmative claim? Quote the claim!

Again, no. God gave the believer no burden to prove.

It's not about what god gave or whatever. It's simple logic.

We are simply to declare the truth. (Acts 13:32) "And we declare unto you glad tidings...." (Rom 3:25-26) "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness...." (1 John 1:3) "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you...."

Declaration of "truth" means nothing without established facts to backit up.

I just explained the issue. If I were to prove God to you by your reason and logic you don't come by faith. Which means you don't come. God has made it a by faith salvation.

Sounds more like a 'you' issue. I have no reason to accept or believe in gods or claims of gods without proof.

You can hope so, but you can't come to God by reason or proof. Only by faith. Only faith moves God to act and save one.

Is god omniscient?

That's fine. You don't have to believe it. I never said you did.

That's good. Because I do not. Belief is not my thing.

Proof is not part of the equation. It will not produce God's salvation. Only faith. Quite simple really.

Then no reason to accept god or claims of one.

(1 John 5:13) "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eteranl life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." I know God is there and Christ is His Son and my Saviour. I know it. If persecution came and I was forced under torture to say God does not exist, I would just be a lying Christian. Because I know otherwise.

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Just more belief and nothing more than that.

No, I know God exists and Christ is my Saviour. My feelings play no role in my faith.

Lees

Still just belief.

No, the Bible claims to be the Word of God and I believe it. No convincing needed.

Then you have only convinced yourself of something.

 

[nota bene]

Still just belief.

Then you have only convinced yourself of something.

"Just belief"? Belief is enough for me.

 

[Lees]

Where in there is the affirmative claim? Quote the claim!

It's not about what god gave or whatever. It's simple logic.

Declaration of "truth" means nothing without established facts to backit up.

Sounds more like a 'you' issue. I have no reason to accept or believe in gods or claims of gods without proof.

Is god omniscient?

That's good. Because I do not. Belief is not my thing.

Then no reason to accept god or claims of one.

Just more belief and nothing more than that.

Still just belief.

Then you have only convinced yourself of something.

I have given the posts and explained already.

No, it's all about God. He cares not for your logic.

The declaration of the Gospel, of the Truth, means everything because it is God who backs it up. God does not back up your 'established facts'.

You don't have to accept or believe God without proof. I have always said that. Which means there is no salvation for you.

Yes God is omniscient. Why?

Belief and know. The Christian knows God exists and Christ is His Son and our Saviour. We know it. How about that? You can't know, yet the Christian knows.

No convincing. I believe it. You're the one seeking and needing convincing. Not me.

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[Gordy327]

"Just belief"? Belief is enough for me.

If you want to set that bar way low, be my guest.

 

[Revelation]

If you want to set that bar way low, be my guest.

actually the Bar is set very high, if it is a belief that saves yur soul and turns toward God with all your heart.

start there. belief will motivate you to walk holy throughout your life and into the next Life eternal.

Belief is what the fake atheists need to rediscover, help themselves to the BIGGEST serving they can handle.

blessings all.


Edit, perhaps Megan Wills in my post below can help you ????

um, maybe you can use some Truth tonight Logic

back from the ministry tonight, blessings we wall to wall.

Megan wants to know the Truth: are you the Father's child?....

find out...

blessings forever ...............and ever.


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[Gordy327]

I have given the posts and explained already.

No, you have not. I made no reference to Job in my post #172 or any other post here. I've responded to your posts, including where YOU referenced Job. So either quote where I mentioned Job or your assertion is a lie!

No, it's all about God. He cares not for your logic.

Nope. Dont try to deflect to god. God has nothing to do with it. It's about your disingenuous assertions and logical fallacies.

The declaration of the Gospel, of the Truth, means everything because it is God who backs it up. God does not back up your 'established facts'.

There are no facts to establish God or the validity of Biblical claims or stories.

You don't have to accept or believe God without proof. I have always said that.

And I have always said no proof = no belief.

Which means there is no salvation for you.

Which means nothing to me and is rather arrogant of you to presume to know what God will do.

Yes God is omniscient. Why?

Does your omniscient God know before o e is even born if they will lack the faith to be saved during their life?

Belief and know. The Christian knows God exists and Christ is His Son and our Saviour. We know it. How about that? You can't know, yet the Christian knows.

Belief =/= know. Belief is when something is not known.

No convincing. I believe it. You're the one seeking and needing convincing. Not me.

Lees

No, I'm simply asking for evidence/proof for claims made. Until then, I am simply unconvinced and have no reason to accept any affirmative claim made. Do not confuse that with looking or a need to be convinced.

 

[Fearandloathing]

An excellent way to describe your uninvesting in the Catholic religion. I can say the exact same thing, they educated the belief right out of me. I don't want to follow your path, I had my own personal path of destruction with heroin. I'm interested in today's you. I'm sure you have some good war stories from your past but it's the past.

Oh yeah....


I use my past as a teaching instrument with people also seeking sobriety.

The god of my understanding today is NOT one shoved down my throat by sadistic sexually frustrated nuns

 

[Lees]

If you want to set that bar way low, be my guest.

Actually the bar is pretty high. One you cannot meet.

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[Lees]

No, you have not. I made no reference to Job in my post #172 or any other post here. I've responded to your posts, including where YOU referenced Job. So either quote where I mentioned Job or your assertion is a lie!

Nope. Dont try to deflect to god. God has nothing to do with it. It's about your disingenuous assertions and logical fallacies.

There are no facts to establish God or the validity of Biblical claims or stories.

And I have always said no proof = no belief.

Which means nothing to me and is rather arrogant of you to presume to know what God will do.

Does your omniscient God know before o e is even born if they will lack the faith to be saved during their life?

Belief =/= know. Belief is when something is not known.

No, I'm simply asking for evidence/proof for claims made. Until then, I am simply unconvinced and have no reason to accept any affirmative claim made. Do not confuse that with looking or a need to be convinced.

Yes I have. Go back and reread.

I am not 'deflecting' to God. It is all about God. God has everything to do with it.

The testimony of Scripture establishes the truth of God. As I said, God cares not for your 'facts'.

And there you are a contradiction. No proof does not = no belief. Who established that law?....you.

I don't care if it means nothing to you. It is not arrogant of me to believe what God will do based upon what God has said.

Oh yes...God knows before one is born who are His. And God knows before who will not have the faith. He is ominicient.

No. Belief in Christ results in something known. One believes because they know.

And I am simply saying you can remain unconvinced. You don't believe. OK. I am fine with that. So what's your problem? Why are you upset that I believe without your evidence?

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[Gordy327]

Yes I have. Go back and reread.

Cite the exact quote and post!

I am not 'deflecting' to God. It is all about God. God has everything to do with it.

The testimony of Scripture establishes the truth of God. As I said, God cares not for your 'facts'.

That's nice. Prove it!

And there you are a contradiction. No proof does not = no belief. Who established that law?....you.

Simple logic and reason

I don't care if it means nothing to you. It is not arrogant of me to believe what God will do based upon what God has said.

It's arrogant to presume to know what God thinks or will do.

Oh yes...God knows before one is born who are His. And God knows before who will not have the faith. He is ominicient.

So then there should be no surprise or issue with God or anyone if I do not have belief/faith. I'm only following what God already knows. God cannot be upset with me about it. If I do not have "salvation" because I do not have faith, then God set me up for failure. Therefore it's all God's fault.

No. Belief in Christ results in something known. One believes because they know.

Quite the opposite. You don't know that Christ was actually the "son of god" or had magic powers. You only believe that because a "holy" book told you.

And I am simply saying you can remain unconvinced. You don't believe. OK. I am fine with that. So what's your problem?

i didnt say thete was a problem. After all, god supposedly created me to be a non-believer.

Why are you upset that I believe without your evidence?

Lees

Whatever gave you the idea I am upset?

 

[Lees]

Cite the exact quote and post!

That's nice. Prove it!

Simple logic and reason

It's arrogant to presume to know what God thinks or will do.

So then there should be no surprise or issue with God or anyone if I do not have belief/faith. I'm only following what God already knows. God cannot be upset with me about it. If I do not have "salvation" because I do not have faith, then God set me up for failure. Therefore it's all God's fault.

Quite the opposite. You don't know that Christ was actually the "son of god" or had magic powers. You only believe that because a "holy" book told you.

i didnt say thete was a problem. After all, god supposedly created me to be a non-believer.

Whatever gave you the idea I am upset?

I already have. Go back and reread. Why are you such a coward? Can't you stand up for what you have supported? Typical atheist.

You say prove it. I prove it by the testimony of Scripture. God cares not for your facts.

Simple logic and reason? Whose logic and reason? Yours? Again, no proof does not equal no belief. That is your law. Whcih does not affect God and the believer. It does affect you however.

Oh, just because you don't know what God thinks or says, it's arrogant for anyone to know what God thinks or says? Just because you don't know, then no one can know. Whose arrogant now?

That is correct. Have I ever acted surprised at your unbelief. No. That you follow what God already knows is immaterial to me. Who said God is upset about it? Of course, God set you up for failure. And He has big shoulders and can bear the responsibility.

No, again you don't know what I know. You just don't want me to know because you don't know. How arrogant is that? I know Christ is the Son of God. I know all power is given to Him from God the Father. I know the Bible is the Word of God. See, these things I know.

Ok, God created you a non-believer. God created me a believer. What's your problem? Because I have no problem with either.

Because you are attacking my belief. I am not attacking your unbelief. If you don't believe, fine. But I do beleive. And that upsets you and others. You don't want others beleiveing what you don't. Yet you accuse the believer of being 'arrogant'. Typical atheist.

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[Gordy327]

I already have. Go back and reread.

I did and you have not quoted where I mentioned Job. So your assertion is a lie, which your god takes issue with.

Why are you such a coward? Can't you stand up for what you have supported? Typical atheist.

Typical personal attack from a theist.

You say prove it. I prove it by the testimony of Scripture. God cares not for your facts.

You still don't understand what a circular logic fallacy is I see.

Simple logic and reason? Whose logic and reason? Yours? Again, no proof does not equal no belief. That is your law. Whcih does not affect God and the believer. It does affect you however.

If that is what you think, then it's obvious logic and reason elude you.

Oh, just because you don't know what God thinks or says, it's arrogant for anyone to know what God thinks or says? Just because you don't know, then no one can know. Whose arrogant now?

You speak as if you know what god will or will not do, as if you know or understand the mind of the grandest possible entity. So yes, that is arrogant.

That is correct. Have I ever acted surprised at your unbelief. No. That you follow what God already knows is immaterial to me. Who said God is upset about it? Of course, God set you up for failure. And He has big shoulders and can bear the responsibility.

So it's all god's fault then, as I said. Any god setting one up for failure is simply malevolent and certainly not worthy of worship or belief.

No, again you don't know what I know. You just don't want me to know because you don't know. How arrogant is that? I know Christ is the Son of God. I know all power is given to Him from God the Father. I know the Bible is the Word of God. See, these things I know.

No, those things you believe. Claiming you know it as if it's fact is simply delusional.

Ok, God created you a non-believer. God created me a believer. What's your problem? Because I have no problem with either.

According to you, god has a problem with me being a non-believer. Yet that is god's fault, not mine. But god expects me to pay the penalty for it. There's a certain logical disconnect there.

Because you are attacking my belief.

I am not attacking your unbelief. If you don't believe, fine. But I do beleive. And that upsets you and others. You don't want others beleiveing what you don't. Yet you accuse the believer of being 'arrogant'. Typical atheist.

Lees

Spare me the defensive drama. No, I am challenging your assertions. I couldn't care less what you believe. But if you posit belief as fact, then expect to be challenged on it. If you don't like it, then perhaps this forum is not for you. There is the 'Theology" forum when you can have an echo chamber for your beliefs and they cannot be challenged. But here, this is the 'Beliefs & Skepticism' forum. Guess which side of that I belong.

 

[Lees]

I did and you have not quoted where I mentioned Job. So your assertion is a lie, which your god takes issue with.

Typical personal attack from a theist.

You still don't understand what a circular logic fallacy is I see.

If that is what you think, then it's obvious logic and reason elude you.

You speak as if you know what god will or will not do, as if you know or understand the mind of the grandest possible entity. So yes, that is arrogant.

So it's all god's fault then, as I said. Any god setting one up for failure is simply malevolent and certainly not worthy of worship or belief.

No, those things you believe. Claiming you know it as if it's fact is simply delusional.

According to you, god has a problem with me being a non-believer. Yet that is god's fault, not mine. But god expects me to pay the penalty for it. There's a certain logical disconnect there.

Spare me the defensive drama. No, I am challenging your assertions. I couldn't care less what you believe. But if you posit belief as fact, then expect to be challenged on it. If you don't like it, then perhaps this forum is not for you. There is the 'Theology" forum when you can have an echo chamber for your beliefs and they cannot be challenged. But here, this is the 'Beliefs & Skepticism' forum. Guess which side of that I belong.

I have give you the posts and explained.

Spare me the defensive drama. If you're scared, say you're scared.

Circular logic doesn't bother me. The Bible and faith insures the inability of those like you to counterfeit.

Your logic and reason has no part in the matter. It doesn't elude me. It doesn't play a role. As I have said many times.

I do know what God will do and will not do. He has revealed it in the Bible. I do understand the mind of God. He has revealed it in the Bible. Gee, that's not hard. Yours is the arrogance. You believe because you don't know I don't know. You believe you know when others know or not. Not only arrogant, foolish and stupid. You know nothing of God and can't no nothing of God.

Of course it's all God's fault and responsibility. How many times do you want to ask? And again, don't worry, you don't have to worship Him or believe Him...now.

No, those things I believe concerning God and Christ I know. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean I don't know.

Where did I say God has a problem with you being a non-believer? God has no problem with that. He has a solution but no problem. Yes, if you reject the payment He offers, you suffer the consequences. Well, your logic doesn't change God. It just causes you to hate Him more.

I don't believe you. If you didn't care you wouldn't be 'challenging' my beliefs. I declare what God has declared in the Bible. If you want to challenge that, go ahead. Prove to me in the Bible that I am wrong. Your science and reason and proof cannot reach God. Your science and reason and proof deals only with the physical world, not the spiritual. You do not have the tools to learn and know of the spiritual. God reveals Himself on His terms, not yours. Which is why you will never find Him. Oh yes, I know which side you're on.

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[Gordy327]

I have give you the posts and explained.

Quote me actully mentioning Job! Otherwise, your assertion remains a lie!

Spare me the defensive drama. If you're scared, say you're scared.

Speak for yourself.

Circular logic doesn't bother me. The Bible and faith insures the inability of those like you to counterfeit.

Delusion is a powerful thing.

Your logic and reason has no part in the matter. It doesn't elude me. It doesn't play a role. As I have said many times.

Your denial of logic doesn't change the reality of your claims being logical fallacies.

I do know what God will do and will not do. He has revealed it in the Bible. I do understand the mind of God. He has revealed it in the Bible. Gee, that's not hard. Yours is the arrogance. You believe because you don't know I don't know. You believe you know when others know or not. Not only arrogant, foolish and stupid. You know nothing of God and can't no nothing of God.

More belief and circular reasoning. And now you presume to tell me what I know or do not know. Too funy.

Of course it's all God's fault and responsibility. How many times do you want to ask? And again, don't worry, you don't have to worship Him or believe Him...now.

As I said, that simply makes your god malevolent.

No, those things I believe concerning God and Christ I know. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean I don't know.

You contradict yourself. If you believe, then you do not really know. Belief is in the abscence of knowing.

Where did I say God has a problem with you being a non-believer? God has no problem with that. He has a solution but no problem. Yes, if you reject the payment He offers, you suffer the consequences. Well, your logic doesn't change God. It just causes you to hate Him more.

You specifically said I would not receive salvation. Therefore god has issue with my non-belief. If god is omniscient as you affirm, then he already knows in advance I would reject his "payment." It's funny god has to "pay" someone for worship. Funnier still you think I hate something I do not beleve exists.

I don't believe you.

I don't care!

If you didn't care you wouldn't be 'challenging' my beliefs.

Why not? You make an affirmative claim, it gets challenged. It's that simple.

I declare what God has declared in the Bible. If you want to challenge that, go ahead. Prove to me in the Bible that I am wrong.

I have already proven multiple stories in the bible wrong before. You haven't even proved yourself right. Start by proving theres a god!

Your science and reason and proof cannot reach God.

Because science and reason doesn't deal with the imaginary or self delusions.

Your science and reason and proof deals only with the physical world, not the spiritual. You do not have the tools to learn and know of the spiritual. God reveals Himself on His terms, not yours. Which is why you will never find Him. Oh yes, I know which side you're on.

Lees

No evidence or proof of the "spiritual world" either. Is it anything like Imaginationland?

 

[Lees]

Quote me actully mentioning Job! Otherwise, your assertion remains a lie!

Speak for yourself.

Delusion is a powerful thing.

Your denial of logic doesn't change the reality of your claims being logical fallacies.

More belief and circular reasoning. And now you presume to tell me what I know or do not know. Too funy.

As I said, that simply makes your god malevolent.

You contradict yourself. If you believe, then you do not really know. Belief is in the abscence of knowing.

You specifically said I would not receive salvation. Therefore god has issue with my non-belief. If god is omniscient as you affirm, then he already knows in advance I would reject his "payment." It's funny god has to "pay" someone for worship. Funnier still you think I hate something I do not beleve exists.

I don't care!

Why not? You make an affirmative claim, it gets challenged. It's that simple.

I have already proven multiple stories in the bible wrong before. You haven't even proved yourself right. Start by proving theres a god!

Because science and reason doesn't deal with the imaginary or self delusions.

No evidence or proof of the "spiritual world" either. Is it anything like Imaginationland?

I gave you the posts. I explained with a quote already. If your scared, say your scared.

Indeed, delusion is powerful.

Your logic and reason plays no role with God.

Oh, you're saying you now know?

Oh yes, God brings evil whenever He wants to. (Is. 45:7)

No, belief in God is not the absence of knowing. It works simultaneously. Christian faith does not originate with the believer. It comes from God. (Eph. 2:8) "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. It is God Who miraculously opens the eyes of one and gives him the gift of faith. The believer both believes and knows.

Your 'not receiving salvation' doesn't mean God has a problem with you. Just like with Satan...God has no problem with him. Your unbelief, logic, and reasoning is no problem with God.

I didn't say the payment was for worship. Funnier still that you argue so hard against something that doesn't exist.

And I don't believe you.

I just told you why not.

I already told you, God cannot be proven by your method of reason and logic. He reveals Himself through His Word the Bible and His Spirit. And the Bible declares God is and that Christ is His Son. Show me in the Bible that God is not declaring that. Am I right in that God is saying that?

As I said, science and your reason cannot find God. By these methods you cannot know.

(John 4:24) "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

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[Gordy327]

I gave you the posts. I explained with a quote already. If your scared, say your scared.

Indeed, delusion is powerful.

Your logic and reason plays no role with God.

Oh, you're saying you now know?

Oh yes, God brings evil whenever He wants to. (Is. 45:7)

No, belief in God is not the absence of knowing. It works simultaneously. Christian faith does not originate with the believer. It comes from God. (Eph. 2:8) "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. It is God Who miraculously opens the eyes of one and gives him the gift of faith. The believer both believes and knows.

Your 'not receiving salvation' doesn't mean God has a problem with you. Just like with Satan...God has no problem with him. Your unbelief, logic, and reasoning is no problem with God.

I didn't say the payment was for worship. Funnier still that you argue so hard against something that doesn't exist.

And I don't believe you.

I just told you why not.

I already told you, God cannot be proven by your method of reason and logic. He reveals Himself through His Word the Bible and His Spirit. And the Bible declares God is and that Christ is His Son. Show me in the Bible that God is not declaring that. Am I right in that God is saying that?

As I said, science and your reason cannot find God. By these methods you cannot know.

(John 4:24) "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Lees

Quote my exact words then! Otherwise your assertion remains a lie! Since you can't prove there's a god and continuously fall back on logical fallacies, any assertion for a God is also a lie based on nothing more than convincing yourself of something or self delusion!

 

[Lees]

Quote my exact words then! Otherwise your assertion remains a lie! Since you can't prove there's a god and continuously fall back on logical fallacies, any assertion for a God is also a lie based on nothing more than convincing yourself of something or self delusion!

I have already given you the post and explanation with a quote. The subject was about Job. If you're scared, I understand. What assertion is a lie?

And you didn't answer my question. Are you saying you know now? See your post #(271) and mine #(272).

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[Gordy327]

I have already given you the post and explanation with a quote. The subject was about Job. If you're scared, I understand. What assertion is a lie?

And you didn't answer my question. Are you saying you know now? See your post #(271) and mine #(272).

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Let's review then. Here are the posts in question which started this particular train of dialogue:

Your post #173:

Lot's of talk without substance. You made the claim of God making a bet with Job. So, tell me about it. Tell me why you hate God for it. Or run away and hide as most do.

You made the claim. Do you have the ....to back it up?

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That was in response to my post #172:

Remember what I said about circular logic?

I already said that what religion would have one believe. God is like an emotionally abusive parent.

The cosmic version of accepting an offer one cannot refuse.

Warning? More like laughable.

In other words, there is no evidence. So no rational reason to believe

And what about people of other religions/faiths that don't have Jesus? Are they all screwed?

As has been said before, belief does not equal fact.

That's nice. Prove it! I don't see God's signature on the bible.

God also made Satan. Talk about bad planning.

Speak for yourself.

Faith is also wishful thinking, among other psychological issues.

Meaningless rhetoric.

I'll take freedom, especially the mental kind, over being a slave to dogma any day.

Now that's an assumption on your part.

Here is EVERY POST I made in this thread. I DEFY YOU TO COPY & PASTE THE EXACT WORDS (and/or linked post citation/s) where I mentioned Job, either in that post or any before it! If you cannot, then that is proof your assertion/accusation towards me is debunked and a lie! It also demonstrates your own hypocrisy in that you demand I prove a claim I did not make, while you cowardly dodge every challenge put forth to you to prove your own affirmative claims!