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We are all god's children is what I'm told, a brotherhood of man if you will. I find this to be so far from the truth it ain't funny.

There are plenty of people with church membership. Plenty who say they are Christian, but are not. What I am saying is one who has placed faith in Jesus Christ and is born-again, cannot cease to be born-again. Cannot cease to be Christian.

The salvation of God is not so flippant that one can come and go at will.

Lees
That's nonsense. If one can become religious or a believer, then logically one can become non-religous or nonbeliever. Unless you're suggesting one is forced to remain religious/believer, which flies in the face of the concept of free will.
 
There are plenty of people with church membership. Plenty who say they are Christian, but are not.

true.

What I am saying is one who has placed faith in Jesus Christ and is born-again, cannot cease to be born-again. Cannot cease to be Christian.

i use to believe that, i was raised an 'eternally secure' baptist.
The salvation of God is not so flippant that one can come and go at will.

except that is exactly what happens to most people raised in church. they are not taught the truth, but some kind of prayer for salvation and back to the world and sin they go.

this book, turned me around and helped me understand....

this is the revision and pricey, but what will a man give in exchange for his soul. will you gain the whole world and lose your own soul. ??

most christians say yes, they would rather have the world instead of God. so they end up in the Toaster with the fake atheists...


life in the Son.webp...
Does one moment of faith secure a person's eternal destiny with God--even if that person later stops following and trusting in Jesus? Or does a person have to keep on trusting and following Jesus to remain in a saving relationship with God?

Now expanded with new chapters and research, this landmark book continues to offer one of the most penetrating studies on the controversial doctrine of eternal security, perseverance, and apostasy in the New Testament. Calling into question the popular "once saved, always saved" belief, internationally respected pastor and scholar Dr. Robert Shank reveals that the question we should be asking is not, "Is the believer secure?" but rather, "What does it mean to be a believer?"

Straightforward, thorough, and grounded in biblical understanding, this book warns Christians about dangers that could potentially lead a believer to become an unbeliever (falling away from faith) and share in the unbeliever's eternal condemnation.



 
Less than .001% of the population...............................................you are watching too many Monty Python movies....
The 30 Years’ War in Europe killed 1/3 of the entire population on the continent. At the end of the war, there were only 800 people left living in the city of Berlin.
 
Why that particular one?

because i said so, that is why.



ok, just kidding.

Seems kinda random. I personally prefer the Egyptian Book of The Dead. It was a guide for humanity for many more thousands of years than the Bible.

until you study theology and church history, this wont matter much to you.

but here goes the short version...

the King James bible is based on the Textus Receptus scriptures that were gathered from the Majority Texts of the church through many centuries.

the Textus Receptus and majority texts are the most accurate copies of the bible.

good enuf? and yes i know people wanna fight over this, but that is what i learned after dealing with both sides of the issue. some call themselves 'king james only' other are Textus Receptus only types which i feel to be a more accurate position.

regardless, just get a King James bible and a good commentary or a paraphrase bible to help you.

and be blessed. dig into some of my comics for an easy peasy start; find good local Bible church on sunday and pray.


blessings.


0001_16.gif...bottom line, are you in the Book of Life? or just drifting along with no hope like our Fake Atheists traveling up hades creek?


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Can you show me where you got that number from and why are you trying to use percentages of the Earth's population trying to prove you point we don't kill each other. Why do you suppose so many Americans carry guns around with them. Do you know how many gun deaths there are in America every year, you seem to be good with numbers? If only one person on earth killed another it would be appropriate to say, we kill one another. Ok, i'm ready for your facts, lay them on me.
well---yeah, we obviously kill each other. I mean, even my little town had a murder 25 years ago-----what's your point?? No one can stop murder.
 
glad i didn't out grow The Truth. some day you will know the Truth and it will set you free.

John 8:32 reads: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."


huh? actually not fine at all;
and when he wakes up on Judgement day morning and find that he was living a lie.

he looks across the room at you, called in as a witness. fine, huh?

may wanna re-think that one and give him The Truth, because he loves what the devil is pumping out.


View attachment 67563230...know the Truth people.

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And you think I'm the one who is lost? Wow. The truth did set me free decades ago, there are no gods no matter what the nuns and priests were trying to shove down my throat and insist I believe the bullshit or I'm going to hell. How stupid. White folks in the south were taught slavery was a-ok, even the supreme court agreed. Why did you loving God allow this to happen. Don't tell me cause I already know, free will, correct? More stupid cartoons.
 
because i said so, that is why.



ok, just kidding.



until you study theology and church history, this wont matter much to you.
I have, and it does. I have learned that Christianity is a very mixed hodge podge of ideas derived out of all sorts of pre-existing cultural influences, including Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Egyptian religions, Mithraism, Greco-Roman mystery cults, Platonism, Stoicism, etc, etc... Each of those in turn is a hodge podge of ideas and religions existing before them. But when you really study this stuff, you realize none of it is anything entirely new that comes out of nowhere in some otherworldly realm. It is all very human constructs- we make this stuff up. It obviously serves very important human needs, or at least it used to.

"The trail of the human serpent is over everything."
-William James
but here goes the short version...

the King James bible is based on the Textus Receptus scriptures that were gathered from the Majority Texts of the church through many centuries.

the Textus Receptus and majority texts are the most accurate copies of the bible.

good enuf? and yes i know people wanna fight over this, but that is what i learned after dealing with both sides of the issue. some call themselves 'king james only' other are Textus Receptus only types which i feel to be a more accurate position.

regardless, just get a King James bible and a good commentary or a paraphrase bible to help you.

and be blessed. dig into some of my comics for an easy peasy start; find good local Bible church on sunday and pray.


blessings.


View attachment 67563232...bottom line, are you in the Book of Life? or just drifting along with no hope like our Fake Atheists traveling up hades creek?


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I also hear that the King Hatsepshut version of the Egyptian Book of the Dead is also the definitive version you want to read. Ignore the other versions. They will lead you astray.
 
true.



i use to believe that, i was raised an 'eternally secure' baptist.


except that is exactly what happens to most people raised in church. they are not taught the truth, but some kind of prayer for salvation and back to the world and sin they go.

this book, turned me around and helped me understand....

this is the revision and pricey, but what will a man give in exchange for his soul. will you gain the whole world and lose your own soul. ??

most christians say yes, they would rather have the world instead of God. so they end up in the Toaster with the fake atheists...


View attachment 67563231...
Does one moment of faith secure a person's eternal destiny with God--even if that person later stops following and trusting in Jesus? Or does a person have to keep on trusting and following Jesus to remain in a saving relationship with God?

Now expanded with new chapters and research, this landmark book continues to offer one of the most penetrating studies on the controversial doctrine of eternal security, perseverance, and apostasy in the New Testament. Calling into question the popular "once saved, always saved" belief, internationally respected pastor and scholar Dr. Robert Shank reveals that the question we should be asking is not, "Is the believer secure?" but rather, "What does it mean to be a believer?"

Straightforward, thorough, and grounded in biblical understanding, this book warns Christians about dangers that could potentially lead a believer to become an unbeliever (falling away from faith) and share in the unbeliever's eternal condemnation.

I can buy a used soul for a few thousand.
 
That's nonsense. If one can become religious or a believer, then logically one can become non-religous or nonbeliever. Unless you're suggesting one is forced to remain religious/believer, which flies in the face of the concept of free will.
Being religious and being a believer is not the same.

Doesn't fly in the face of God, Who knows the difference.

Lees
 
Being religious and being a believer is not the same.

Doesn't fly in the face of God, Who knows the difference.

Lees
A believer holds a belief in a particular faith or doctrine, while being religious often involves someone who practices and follows the rituals and traditions of a specific religion/goes through the motions...
 
true.



i use to believe that, i was raised an 'eternally secure' baptist.


except that is exactly what happens to most people raised in church. they are not taught the truth, but some kind of prayer for salvation and back to the world and sin they go.

this book, turned me around and helped me understand....

this is the revision and pricey, but what will a man give in exchange for his soul. will you gain the whole world and lose your own soul. ??

most christians say yes, they would rather have the world instead of God. so they end up in the Toaster with the fake atheists...


View attachment 67563231...
Does one moment of faith secure a person's eternal destiny with God--even if that person later stops following and trusting in Jesus? Or does a person have to keep on trusting and following Jesus to remain in a saving relationship with God?

Now expanded with new chapters and research, this landmark book continues to offer one of the most penetrating studies on the controversial doctrine of eternal security, perseverance, and apostasy in the New Testament. Calling into question the popular "once saved, always saved" belief, internationally respected pastor and scholar Dr. Robert Shank reveals that the question we should be asking is not, "Is the believer secure?" but rather, "What does it mean to be a believer?"

Straightforward, thorough, and grounded in biblical understanding, this book warns Christians about dangers that could potentially lead a believer to become an unbeliever (falling away from faith) and share in the unbeliever's eternal condemnation.


Being raised in a church is no guarantee of salvation.

Quit peddling your book. I have no interest in it. The Book I follow is the Bible.

Yes, ones moment of faith in Jesus Christ secures their salvation forever.

Lees
 
A believer holds a belief in a particular faith or doctrine, while being religious often involves someone who practices and follows the rituals and traditions of a specific religion/goes through the motions...

In this discussion, being a believer is one who believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour.

In other words, being a believer of Gandhi gets you no where with God. Belief in Jesus Christ gets you eternal life.

Lees
 
In this discussion, being a believer is one who believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour.

In other words, being a believer of Gandhi gets you no where with God. Belief in Jesus Christ gets you eternal life.

Lees
Agreed, I was speaking in general...
 
No, not the same.

No evidence is required.

Lees
If one makes the assertion for a God or that said God does something, they bear the burden of proof.
 
If one makes the assertion for a God or that said God does something, they bear the burden of proof.

Who says?...you?

God doesn't require the 'proof'. He requires only faith. Oh... but you want proof. Sorry. You in your unbelief require what God does not.

Yet, you in your 'unbelief' cannot provide what God requires. Interesting.

Lees
 
Being raised in a church is no guarantee of salvation.

Quit peddling your book. I have no interest in it. The Book I follow is the Bible.

Yes, ones moment of faith in Jesus Christ secures their salvation forever.

actually no it doesn't. the early church has no record of the 'eternal security' doctrine, no where to be found.

wishful thinking.

you can't read this book and tell me that eternal security is biblical, the book is powerful written by a baptist minister who tried to prove eternal security.

he ended up with conditional security, a true bible doctrine held for thousands of years by real bible churches until they fell away from the faith once believed.


life in the Son.webp...this book still stands NEVER to be refuted.............ever.


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actually no it doesn't. the early church has no record of the 'eternal security' doctrine, no where to be found.

wishful thinking.

you can't read this book and tell me that eternal security is biblical, the book is powerful written by a baptist minister who tried to prove eternal security.

he ended up with conditional security, a true bible doctrine held for thousands of years by real bible churches until they fell away from the faith once believed.


View attachment 67563311...this book still stands NEVER to be refuted.............ever.


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It's found in the Bible, the Word of God. Sorry you can't find it in the church.

Lees
 
Who says?...you?
Logic says. The burden of proof specifically.
God doesn't require the 'proof'. He requires only faith.
Why would god require proof? No proof there's a God to begin with. You're the one asserting a god. So you're the one who need to provide proof.
Oh... but you want proof. Sorry. You in your unbelief require what God does not.
It's quite arrogant to presume to know what God wants.
Yet, you in your 'unbelief' cannot provide what God requires. Interesting.

Lees
I'm not interested in what some fantasy God wants. It's about what proof you can provide to support your assertions. Which clearly you cannot. Which is also why I have no belief in any god/s.
It's found in the Bible, the Word of God. Sorry you can't find it in the church.

Lees
Circular logic. Which is also a logical fallacy.
 
If we are all god's children and a brotherhood of man, why do we kill each other like vermin? Why is there so much hatred involved with religion that comes from religion? The jews are hated, the Muslims are hated, the Catholics are hated the protestants are hated, everyone hates everyone else when it comes to religion because they all believe only they have the true religion, then comes the violence to prove it. I see all these folks today attending their place of worship and I wonder why, why do so many believe in something that has never been proven to exist.

If god the father, god the son and god the holy ghost are all one, when jesus supposedly died on a cross, didn't that kill the other two since they are all one. Confusing no?

Half the good Christians on here drip venom towards others and can't understand when people like me challenge them.

We aren't God's Children.
 
Who says?...you?

No. Logic does.

God doesn't require the 'proof'. He requires only faith.

That is the stupid, illogical, part. Faith in something that has no proof is illogical.
There is far more chance that aliens will visit us than you will get proof of God...

Oh... but you want proof.

So should any adult that does not want to be considered crazy...

 
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