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(Washington Times) Self-driving trucks start making the rounds in Texas (1 Viewer)

Chomsky said:
I dunno'. Texas is notoriously Red, yet they're promoting this and legislating it into existance.
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Modern right wing ideology is basically to directly screw over the majority of people that vote for them at almost every opportunity.
 
Chomsky said:
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Self-driving trucks start making the rounds in Texas

Self-driving trucking company Aurora started its commercial service in Texas this week, marking the beginning of what could be a revolution in cargo transportation.
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The next time you're driving down a Texas highway, don't be surprised if the 18 wheeler tooling-along beside you has no driver at the wheel!

'Yes' - the image above depicts an actual self-driving 18 Wheeler Semi merging onto a Texas public highway. Apparently, the day has come.

What I'd like to know is how does law enforcement initiate & perform a traffic stop?
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Meh…This is going to happen…barring a serious Luddite revolution. I don’t have a fear of the automation that others seem to have.

Having a “kill” switch is as about as bad of an idea as there is. A “kill” switch could be more dangerous than a malfunctioning vehicle. Unless by “kill” switch you mean slow down and pull of the road…which maybe impossible in of itself and if the programming is malfunctioning couldn’t be done anyway. Imagine driving down the highway at 75MPG and truck in front of you suddenly stops. If you’re in traffic it will be a pile-up.

What I am not in favor of is allowing billionaires who own the self driving companies to suddenly fire everyone that is investigating the lack of safety of your sw that does the self-driving.
 
smb3802 said:
Meh…This is going to happen…barring a serious Luddite revolution. I don’t have a fear of the automation that others seem to have.

Having a “kill” switch is as about as bad of an idea as there is. A “kill” switch could be more dangerous than a malfunctioning vehicle. Unless by “kill” switch you mean slow down and pull of the road…which maybe impossible in of itself and if the programming is malfunctioning couldn’t be done anyway. Imagine driving down the highway at 75MPG and truck in front of you suddenly stops. If you’re in traffic it will be a pile-up.

What I am not in favor of is allowing billionaires who own the self driving companies to suddenly fire everyone that is investigating the lack of safety of your sw that does the self-driving.
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It's possible make automated systems that have to cross check many different inputs and shut down if they aren't clearly working, and yes, do their best do get to a safe spot and shut down when problems arise. You'd likely need to have a simpler redundant operating and sensor systems which could get costly, but if it's only job is "get the truck to stop in a safe place" they wouldn't need to be nearly as complex.

These are minimum features we should expect from other drivers, so we should expect them from self driving vehicles.
 
Variant said:
It's possible make automated systems that have to cross check many different inputs and shut down if they aren't clearly working, and yes, do their best do get to a safe spot and shut down when problems arise. You'd likely need to have a simpler redundant operating and sensor systems which could get costly, but if it's only job is "get the truck to stop in a safe place" they wouldn't need to be nearly as complex.

These are minimum features we should expect from other drivers, so we should expect them from self driving vehicles.
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Again your reason for using said “kill” switch would be that the programming is malfunctioning. There is no guarantee you could operate or control a redundant system. Even if you could there could be no immediate safe place to pull over.

That said I am all for making sure these systems are safe but if the bar is human operation of vehicles the safety bar is pretty low.
 
smb3802 said:
Again your reason for using said “kill” switch would be that the programming is malfunctioning. There is no guarantee you could operate or control a redundant system. Even if you could there could be no immediate safe place to pull over.

That said I am all for making sure these systems are safe but if the bar is human operation of vehicles the safety bar is pretty low.
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The operator in that situation would just be another redundant AI dedicated to that task.

I expect that you'd need such a system because of how janky/buggy computers are when compared with human brains in terms how often they systematically fail to operate properly.

When an 18 wheeler gets a blue screen of death I expect it to do better than either A: Continue to drive in a straight line, or B: Stop immediately,.
 
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Chomsky said:
What I'd like to know is how does law enforcement initiate & perform a traffic stop?
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Self driving vehicles respond to flashing lights behind them. They will pull over and even stop.

There are videos of Wymo cars being stopped by the police.
 
Chomsky said:
www.washingtontimes.com

Self-driving trucks start making the rounds in Texas

Self-driving trucking company Aurora started its commercial service in Texas this week, marking the beginning of what could be a revolution in cargo transportation.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com
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Aurora-Launch-6_s878x494.jpg

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The next time you're driving down a Texas highway, don't be surprised if the 18 wheeler tooling-along beside you has no driver at the wheel!

'Yes' - the image above depicts an actual self-driving 18 Wheeler Semi merging onto a Texas public highway. Apparently, the day has come.

What I'd like to know is how does law enforcement initiate & perform a traffic stop?
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Question is what trucks are they using. If its standard gasoline/diesel trucks then its fine and could be viable economically. As much as I understand, they provide just a package for vehicles basically which is good. If its electric then this is bullshit because eletric trucks have problems with range/weight/price because batteries need to be big increasing weight, increasing price, reducing range and are nowhere close to being viable.
 
Allan said:
Self driving vehicles respond to flashing lights behind them. They will pull over and even stop.

There are videos of Wymo cars being stopped by the police.
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Plus, they can speak English and Spanish.
 
"A 2020 poll conducted by CDLLife with more than 2,000 respondents revealed that 75% of participating truckers cast their vote for Trump during the last presidential election."
 
CaughtInThe said:
"A 2020 poll conducted by CDLLife with more than 2,000 respondents revealed that 75% of participating truckers cast their vote for Trump during the last presidential election."
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How long before Trump has the DoT ban them? Self driving trucks cause cancer and kill all the whales.
 
aociswundumho said:
What evidence do you have to support that prediction?
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Just seems like if you are putting all truck/taxi/uber/delivery drivers out of a job, and then also all coders, and then also everyone else too (doctors, lawyers, accountants, stock brokers, the finance sector, artists, musicians, engineers, architects, etc, etc...), that it might create an employment problem.

In fact, it would seem odd if it didn't. What makes you think it wouldn't?
 
Yay!!!!

Multi-tone trucks going down the motorway with nobody at the controls, what could possibly go wrong?
 
aociswundumho said:
What evidence do you have to support that prediction?
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Are you trying to claim that's not the end goal for automation?
Why would a company hire someone to do a job if a robot can do it faster, require no pay or breaks and can be dumped without a thought when not needed?
 
ataraxia said:
Just seems like if you are putting all truck/taxi/uber/delivery drivers out of a job, and then also all coders, and then also everyone else too (doctors, lawyers, accountants, stock brokers, the finance sector, artists, musicians, engineers, architects, etc, etc...), that it might create an employment problem.

In fact, it would seem odd if it didn't. What makes you think it wouldn't?
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The evidence. Automation has been going on for hundreds of years (thousands if you include windmills and waterwheels) and the number of jobs has only gone up.

Here's an article from 1961:

In the past, new industries hired far more people than those they put out of business. But this is not true of many of today’s new industries. The switch from manned military aircraft to missiles has cost 200,000 production jobs, even though the aircraft industry’s dollar volume is up. In the past, new industries such as autos and household appliances used relatively unskilled workers. Today’s new industries have comparatively few jobs for the unskilled or semiskilled, just the class of workers whose jobs are being eliminated by automation.
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Business: THE AUTOMATION JOBLESS

Not Fired, Just Not Hired THE rise in unemployment has raised some new alarms around an old scare word: automation. How much has the rapid spread of technological change contributed to the current...
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Peter said:
Yay!!!!

Multi-tone trucks going down the motorway with nobody at the controls, what could possibly go wrong?
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It'll be fine. Self driving trucks don't fall asleep, speed, or drive while impaired.

They have continuous 360 degree awareness and much faster reaction time than humans.
 
aociswundumho said:
Automation has been going on for hundreds of years (thousands if you include windmills and waterwheels) and the number of jobs has only gone up.
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I'm sure the same hand wringing occurred when the steam shovel appeared on the scene and the first computers were installed.
 
aociswundumho said:
Labor is a cost, and the goal for all of us should be to reduce that cost as much as possible.
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Yet you claim we won't reach a point where nobody has a job?

Also I take it you lead by example by demanding to not be paid where you work?
If not, why do you hate the company you work for so much?
 
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