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Was the landing of the Apollo 11 false?

Goshin said:
Zombie thread rises from the grave, ravenously hungry: "Brains! Brains!!!"

Looks around DP: "Brains!!..... Brains???"

Wanders off forlornly into the night.... "Brains?? Brains???"

:mrgreen:
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Holy ****, I thought it was made today, since I looked at the OP and saw 2/26, didn't realize it was a year old :lol:
 
Iwa said:
The video of the landing of the apollo 11 was significant in U.S. History. But from views of the film there abears to be a bit of tampering. I personally believe that the moon landing was staged and was a bunch of BS. the lines on the film looked like they had been removed. but then they were put on backwards....i dont know though, thats just my opinion.
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I personally know two people who was apart of the moon-landing project. One of them was my math teacher and it was fascinating hearing him talk about it, and how they basically did all of their calculations by computers not much more advanced than our Ti-84 calculators. So it is undeniable fact...
 
Goshin said:
Zombie thread rises from the grave, ravenously hungry: "Brains! Brains!!!"

Looks around DP: "Brains!!..... Brains???"

Wanders off forlornly into the night.... "Brains?? Brains???"

:mrgreen:
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Nom, Nom, Nom.........brrap.
 
There's a ton of evidence that shows the moon missions were faked. I made a partial summary of it. I guess I'll have to post it from time to time to keep it from getting buried.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y
At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

There's an analysis of that here in this three part series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ&feature=PlayList&p=41BF9062EF97A674&index=0&playnext=1

More here...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker:+Flagging+The+Dead+Horses&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg
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There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
Man didnt land on the moon

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.
Funny thing happened on the way to the Moon - Czech subtitles / České titulky

(The above video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" keeps going on and off-line. If the above link is dead, click here)
a funny thing happened on the way to the moon - Buscar con Google

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Here it is doubled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E

When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW31fOWzY-E

...combined with wire supports in the later missions.
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If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

(Here's the same footage in case the above video goes off-line)
Apollo XI: The Little Gem. Part 4 - LiveVideo.com
(4:10 time mark)

It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=uk&v=TejsnPThmd4

This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.
One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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There is no blast crater under the lander.
http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg

That is discussed in this five part video series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQNZQdJFtI
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Look at the size of the reflection of the sun in the astronaut's visor at the beginning of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Now look at the reflection of the sun in the visor in the picture at the top of this page.
First American space walk

It's pretty clear that the reflection in the Apollo astronaut's visor is that of a big light. Here's an article about that.
AULIS Online – Different Thinking
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At bottom of this page there's a picture of the astronaut's visor that has in it the reflection of what looks like some kind of studio light.
AULIS Online – Different Thinking

The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA
28. "Moonstones" coming from the Earth - "lunar probes" were¨not necessary


People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war-
Noam Chomsky, How the Cold War worked from What Uncle Sam Really Wants
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
Media Watch
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk

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Here are some videos.

http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker&search_type=&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIWhzTzLn0
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What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
what happened on the moon - Buscar con Google
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Was it Only a Paper Moon? (documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2rfsy3Sd0c
(8 parts)

Here are some articles.

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
Interview with Bart Sibrel
http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
AULIS Online – Different Thinking
northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com on reddit.com
Northerntruthseeker: Project Apollo... What Were They Thinking? Part II
The Apollo Hoax
Moon Hoax - SourceWatch
Apollo and NASA
Center for an Informed America
(Wagging the Moondoggie)

The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

Here's a link to the entire conference.
Conferencia de Prensa Astronautas Apollo 11

This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561
 
The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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two sets of radiation data
NASA REALLY MOONED US
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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Deadly Radiation At and Past the Van Allen Shields
Apollo details
NASA Warped our View of Space - The Education Forum

These two are important
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Articles_1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcytzf7PkRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6DhY1NvmIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ltWMbHdDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnckudD9oa8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiTzo3G_hvo
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM
(23 parts)

The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
Confirmed Discrepancies in CCTV
China Astronauts Make Low-Profile Visit to Hong Kong | China | Epoch Times

The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

Chinese space walk conspiracy
ApolloHoax.net - Phony Chinese Spacewalk

They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
Rules of Disinformation

It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
Viewing Single Post From: We Never Went to the Moon


Here's some more stuff on Clavius and Bad Astronomy and Jay Windley.
Let's analyze the Clavius and Bad Astronomy sites - David Icke's Official Forums
 
Well answer me this. Why didn't the Russians or Chinese point out it was faked? I mean at the time we were in the middle of a little thing called the "Cold War" and it would have been in their best interest to point this out. I guess the whole world was in on the plot. :lol:
 
Scott said:
The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation.
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I love when people who obviously know nothing about the subject use the 'radiation' argument as a reason NASA supposedly faked the moon landings.

Explain all the space activity since then, with no real difference in shielding capabilities.
 
Blackdog said:
Well answer me this. Why didn't the Russians or Chinese point out it was faked? I mean at the time we were in the middle of a little thing called the "Cold War" and it would have been in their best interest to point this out. I guess the whole world was in on the plot. :lol:
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come on dude, you can't argue with stupid. all it does is bring you down.
 
Whovian said:
I love when people who obviously know nothing about the subject use the 'radiation' argument as a reason NASA supposedly faked the moon landings.

Explain all the space activity since then, with no real difference in shielding capabilities.
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it's fake too :lamo
 
Well answer me this. Why didn't the Russians or Chinese point out it was faked? I mean at the time we were in the middle of a little thing called the "Cold War" and it would have been in their best interest to point this out. I guess the whole world was in on the plot.
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I dealt with that issue in post #204

I love when people who obviously know nothing about the subject use the 'radiation' argument as a reason NASA supposedly faked the moon landings.
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People who "Know" all about space radiation know the official version. It may be bogus info. I know the official data say it was safe to go to the moon. The theory is that the official data are bogus. The anomalies in the video prove the hoax. All I said was that space radiation may be the reason. I'm not in a position to be able to verify that as I'd have to send up my own probe to measure the radiation.
 
Scott said:
I dealt with that issue in post #204
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Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.

You have got to be kidding? That and some you tube video's?

That is not an answer, that is speculation that is so silly it defies logic and reason. So now you are saying the Russians faked their space program as well? This just keeps getting better.
 
Scott said:
I love when people who obviously know nothing about the subject use the 'radiation' argument as a reason NASA supposedly faked the moon landings.
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People who "Know" all about space radiation know the official version. It may be bogus info. I know the official data say it was safe to go to the moon. The theory is that the official data are bogus. The anomalies in the video prove the hoax. All I said was that space radiation may be the reason. I'm not in a position to be able to verify that as I'd have to send up my own probe to measure the radiation.
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So, would you say that all manned space missions are faked?
 
Whovian said:
So, would you say that all manned space missions are faked?
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they would have to be. if the moon landing was faked because of the radiation, and our shielding capacity hasn't greatly improved, all manned missions have to be faked.
 
That is not an answer, that is speculation that is so silly it defies logic and reason. So now you are saying the Russians faked their space program as well? This just keeps getting better.
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Tell us why you're in a position to know what was really going on back then.

The anomalies in the video prove the hoax so the issue of why the Soviets didn't snitch isn't about whether they hoaxed it–it's about how they pulled it off. There are plausible scenarios that would explain why the Soviets didn't snitch and their not having snitched doesn't make the mountain of hoax evidence go away.

Here's all the stuff about the Soviets I've found. People can check it out and decide for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war-
Noam Chomsky, How the Cold War worked from What Uncle Sam Really Wants
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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So, would you say that all manned space missions are faked?
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No. I think most of them are probably real. As far as I know the only way to fake zero-gravity is in a diving plane but it can only be done for thirty seconds or so. Videos such as this one show long scenes of zero gravity.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

Here's some stuff I've found about faking spacewalks.
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In these two videos what looks like air bubbles can be seen rising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ynHKGzplQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1cWhD_6Nw

Go down about a third of the way in this link...
Apollo Internet Images and Videos With Inconsistencies Anomalies

...to where it says, "APOLLO 9: Dave scott performs Extra Vehicular Activities LAVA # : LV-1998-00030.mov
The astronaut is unusually flexible compared to today's shuttle astronauts on EVAs; the Apollo suit does not appear to have bearings at the joints like the space shuttle extra vehicular suits. The experimental thermal samples flutter and follow non-linear curved paths, as if under the influence of or affected by atmospheric drag and turbulence. ".

That looks pretty suspicious.

The Chinese obviously faked their spacewalk...
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
AULIS Online – Different Thinking
Confirmed Discrepancies in CCTV
China Astronauts Make Low-Profile Visit to Hong Kong | China | Epoch Times

...and the official NASA version is that the Chinese spacewalk was real so NASA has no credibility.

Jarrah White discusses a possible fake spacewalk in this video at the 4:45 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNP828YIUQo

He discusses another one in this video at the 7:45 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-NGXBIaaA

It looks like the Soviets may have been doing some faking too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPIBSkYO-U

This continues into part 11.

I watched the whole thing a year or so ago and there is more stuff scattered throughout the series about fakery in earth orbit. I wish I'd saved the time marks.
 
Scott said:
troof, troof, troof troof troof....troof.
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so i guess the soviet and US govt murdered all the cosmonauts and astronauts who have allegedly died in space to keep the fake alive? :roll:
 
Scott said:
Tell us why you're in a position to know what was really going on back then.

The anomalies in the video prove the hoax so the issue of why the Soviets didn't snitch isn't about whether they hoaxed it–it's about how they pulled it off. There are plausible scenarios that would explain why the Soviets didn't snitch and their not having snitched doesn't make the mountain of hoax evidence go away.

Here's all the stuff about the Soviets I've found. People can check it out and decide for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
(excerpt)
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war-
Noam Chomsky, How the Cold War worked from What Uncle Sam Really Wants
(excerpt)
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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A "plausible" scenario means someone made it up. You understand this simple fact correct? It is not proof of anything. Some of the excuses are so outlandish it's not even close to reality of any kind.

I am done with this.

If you want to take disassociated bits of information and compile it into a ridicules conspiracy theory, be my guest. You are the one who ends up looking the fool.
 
I . . . won't say I believed the conspiracy theories on this issue . . . but I was attracted to them for a long time. It seems to me that the stakes were high enough at the time for the U.S. to seriously consider faking such a landing. Additionally, between the stakes, the type of people involved, and and the time, I think it might have been viewed by the government as something they could actually get away with (it's this point, more than even the complete lack of a rational motive, that makes me instantly reject the 9/11 conspiracies - no sane government could think in this day and age it could get away with such a thing). Add that to the fact that the feat has never been repeated, nor has anything involving close to the same technical difficulty been accomplished by NASA since, and it all just seems very suspicious.

However, the many reviews of the tapes make be begrudgingly admit that it probably actually happened.
 
A "plausible" scenario means someone made it up./QUOTE]
A lie is something someone made up.
Plausible | Define Plausible at Dictionary.com

If something is plausible, it can't be ruled out.

It is not proof of anything.
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Of course it isn't. I never said it was. You said the fact that the Soviets didn't snitch was proof that the missions were real. I said it wasn't proof that the missions were real because there are plausible scenarios that would explain why they didn't snitch even thought they didn't go to the moon.

The anomalies in the video prove they faked the moon missions. Therefore, one of the plausible scenarios for why the Soviets didn't snitch is the correct one. We just don't know which scenario that is.

Such crap. I love how all the "air bubbles" go in different directions. Yeah. Rising air bubbles totally do that.
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Start watching this video at the 3:20 time mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=NVbBFwdmldA

At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water. Tell us what you think is causing the flag to flutter.

In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water. Tell us why you think it goes upward.

However, the many reviews of the tapes make me begrudgingly admit that it probably actually happened.
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Tell us exactly what makes you think it actually happened. I've never seen any proof that it actually happened but I've seen tons of proof that it didn't happen.
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air bubbles under water my ass...

THIS is what air bubbles under water look like...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkLfBBTIchs
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Here's the post with the videos that allege the Chinese spacewalk was faked in a water tank.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-22.html#post1059326258

If you look at one of the smaller bubbles in the video you posted, you'll see that it doesn't look any different from the bubbles in the video about the Chinese spacewalk. Are you comparing the large bubbles with the small ones?

Also, lets hear your analyses of the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag that I pointed out in post #219.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-22.html#post1059327521

Here's the partial summary of hoax evidence I posted earlier so it doesn't get buried.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-21.html#post1059325543
 
Scott said:
Here's the post with the videos that allege the Chinese spacewalk was faked in a water tank.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-22.html#post1059326258

If you look at one of the smaller bubbles in the video you posted, you'll see that it doesn't look any different from the bubbles in the video about the Chinese spacewalk. Are you comparing the large bubbles with the small ones?

Also, lets hear your analyses of the buoyant safety cables and the fluttering flag that I pointed out in post #219.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-22.html#post1059327521

Here's the partial summary of hoax evidence I posted earlier so it doesn't get buried.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...anding-apollo-11-false-21.html#post1059325543
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Ever hear of a little show called... MythBusters? They already debunked the whole 'but the flag was waving in the breeze' thing.
 
The Mythbusters series has been shown to be a fraud. This video explains it.
windyz.wmv - YouTube
(2:00 time mark)

The flag comes to a stop exactly the way it would in air as the Mythbusters experiment shows. Mythbusters didn't show the whole flag footage because it showed they were wrong. They were being willfully deceptive.

We know the flag didn't come to a stop because the astronaut moved the pole as the support rod is attached to the pole and is shows the motion of the pole. The pole and support rod are not moving in a way that would make the flag stop moving. The tip of the flag stops moving in the same manner that it would in air. This is one more piece of irrefutable proof that the moon missions were faked in a studio.

This is the Mythbusters video in question.
Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax - YouTube
 
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