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Was the landing of the Apollo 11 false?

finally someone supports my opinions and holy @#$% that was alot of videos
Almost all the pro-Apollo people who post on forums work for the government and know the moon missions were faked.
Rules of Disinformation

The evidence of fakery is so clear that the only thing they can do to sway people's opinions is to keep them from seeing it.
 
Almost all the pro-Apollo people who post on forums work for the government and know the moon missions were faked.
Rules of Disinformation

The evidence of fakery is so clear that the only thing they can do to sway people's opinions is to keep them from seeing it.

Exactly they like to say we accomplished something.
 
Dealing with the level of intellect displayed in this thread does tend to generate annoyance in those who have more than one brain cell, yes...
there is an old saying--" the sign of a persons good manners, is their ability to tolerate another persons poor manners"--I wish you a good day.
 
time to retire all that 60s thinking, and do away with those School buses with wings. this is the face of future space travel. and with out costing the tax payer one dime.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IytjSl6voP0"]YouTube- Animation of a Virgin Galactic flight from launch to landing[/ame]
 
So is the international space station also faked? The reason I asked is the emphasis on raidiation.

Do you bother to look at links that don't support your positions. If you do how come you don't comment on what they have to say?

The reason I won't comment of the links provided is I already answered by providing a couple of links that address many of your concerns.
 
So is the international space station also faked? The reason I asked is the emphasis on raidiation.

Do you bother to look at links that don't support your positions. If you do how come you don't comment on what they have to say?

The reason I won't comment of the links provided is I already answered by providing a couple of links that address many of your concerns.

I never said we havent been to space. Im saying we havent been on the moon.
 
Radiation answer:

From Phil Plait’s Bad Astronomy
Bad: A big staple of the HBs is the claim that radiation in the van Allen Belts and in deep space would have killed the astronauts in minutes. They interview a Russian cosmonaut involved in the USSR Moon program, who says that they were worried about going in to the unknowns of space, and suspected that radiation would have penetrated the hull of the spacecraft.
Good: Kaysing's exact words in the program are ``Any human being traveling through the van Allen belt would have been rendered either extremely ill or actually killed by the radiation within a short time thereof.''
This is complete and utter nonsense. The van Allen belts are regions above the Earth's surface where the Earth's magnetic field has trapped particles of the solar wind. An unprotected man would indeed get a lethal dose of radiation, if he stayed there long enough. Actually, the spaceship traveled through the belts pretty quickly, getting past them in an hour or so. There simply wasn't enough time to get a lethal dose, and, as a matter of fact, the metal hull of the spaceship did indeed block most of the radiation. For a detailed explanation of all this, my fellow Mad Scientist William Wheaton has a page with the technical data about the doses received by the astronauts. Another excellent page about this, that also gives a history of NASA radiation testing, is from the Biomedical Results of Apollo site. An interesting read!
It was also disingenuous of the program to quote the Russian cosmonaut as well. Of course they were worried about radiation before men had gone into the van Allen belts! But tests done by NASA showed that it was possible to not only survive such a passage, but to not even get harmed much by it. It looks to me like another case of convenient editing by the producers of the program.
 
great site that looks at the photo's and explains / answers many of the deniers questions.
Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax

Let me know what you find wrong with this site. Pretty much debunks the theory humans did not go to the moon .
 
In response to Scott.
The waving flag could have been caused by static electricity. Cloth doesn't flap back and forth like a pendulum in an atmosphere.

The Apollo 11 footage sped up absolutely looks unnatural. The astronauts fling their arms back and forth crazy fast. I'd think that in an atmosphere it would be tricky to get the rover to fling dirt in perfect parabolic arcs with no dust clouds left behind.

It looks like all the objects took about one second to hit the ground from shoulder height.

The clip about Collin's jacket in zero gravity has been deleted.

About there being no crater under the LEM. Off the top of my head: The descent engine wasn't at full power, and the thrust is spread out over a rather large area. The moon's surface only has a thin layer of dust. Most of the dust would have been blown away from the LEM. The LEM would have been blowing dust away before it touched down. The engine would have only disturbed dust that was directly underneath it.

The rock's shadow looks fine when you take the terrain into account.

Yes the material blown from a 10 METER hole is "different from the material gathered on the surface during moonwalks". When scanning certain areas by satellite, calcium was found, and in moon rocks taken from the same areas calcium was also found.

The "C" can still be a hair even if crazy people/rapists/"propagandists"/Nazis think it is a hair. The hair could have got on the negative even back in "'70 or '75" (when they show the bibliography and zoom in on the reference to the book he was talking about it says 1981)

The stuff on why the Soviets wouldn't have said anything looks dubious. Could you summarize?

Video preview picture has the words "be a set-back but as the Masonic motto goes."

The "wires" are antennae reflecting sunlight into the camera.

Newsflash: Neil armstrong, the shy reclusive man who flubbed "That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind." is nervous during press conference about being the first person to walk on the MOON.

Summarize the info on radiation that you have. The astronauts weren't in the Van Allen belts for long and didn't go through their widest part. There weren't any solar flares that were pointed in the astronauts direction during the missions, and I think the missions occurred during a period of low solar activity.

What does China have to do with Apollo?
 
I don't have much time so I'll just deal with one issue for now.
great site that looks at the photo's and explains / answers many of the deniers questions.
Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax

Let me know what you find wrong with this site. Pretty much debunks the theory humans did not go to the moon .
The Clavius site is a governemt damage-control site and all it's regular pro-Apollo posters know that Apollo was a hoax.

Jay Windley got caught telling a big lie which is explained here.
ApolloHoax.net - The Dust-Free Sand Issue

Look at reply #386 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Rover Footage Filmed on Earth

Now look at the 3rd and 6th posts on this thread.
A strange scenario re sifted sand | GeologyRocks

Look at the way Jay Windley ducked this question asked of him.
ApolloHoax.net - A question for Jay Windley

This is who Jay Windley is.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author


I got banned for thirty days at Clavius for using non-Apollo info to further my argument that the government is capable of telling gigantic lies.
ApolloHoax.net - All of the Apollo data are bogus
(see reply #33)

They talked about it in reply #138 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Banned users

I continued the topic in the "Conspiracy theory" section instead of the "Hoax theory" section in the hope that they would let me speak freely.
ApolloHoax.net - All the Apollo Data are Bogus

As you can see by reading the thread, the moderator closed it because his people couldn't discredit the topic without looking silly.

Just the fact that the Clavius site is there is circumstantial evidence that Apollo was a hoax.
 
Scott.
Not an answer. Why is it when a site that goes against a theory, it has to be a govt. site. This is weak and tiresome response. Show me the hard science that the alledged govt. site is wrong in their analysis? Don't provide a vid that says, see it has to be fake. Show me the hard evidence.

In debating, guess I can start using, it must be an anti govt site spreading misinformation. So it has to be true. The fact that the hoax sites exist is evidence by your definition that they are antigovt. sites?
 
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Scott.
Not an answer. Why is it when a site that goes against a theory, it has to be a govt. site. This is weak and tiresome response. Show me the hard science that the alledged govt. site is wrong in their analysis? Don't provide a vid that says, see it has to be fake. Show me the hard evidence.

In debating, guess I can start using, it must be an anti govt site spreading misinformation. So it has to be true. The fact that the hoax sites exist is evidence by your definition that they are antigovt. sites?

I love antigovernment sites. as my signature says Sic Semper Tyrannis(thus always to tyrants) (thus always happens to tyrants[death])
 
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Scott.
Not an answer. Why is it when a site that goes against a theory, it has to be a govt. site. This is weak and tiresome response. Show me the hard science that the alledged govt. site is wrong in their analysis? Don't provide a vid that says, see it has to be fake. Show me the hard evidence.

In debating, guess I can start using, it must be an anti govt site spreading misinformation. So it has to be true. The fact that the hoax sites exist is evidence by your definition that they are antigovt. sites?
You seem to be trying to sway people who haven't clicked on the links and looked at the info by misrepresenting what is said in those links.

Jay Windly and his fellow pro-Apollo posters got caught telling a clear lie in their analyses of the hoax evidence. I'll post what is said so that you can't misrepresent it.

ApolloHoax.net - Rover Footage Filmed on Earth
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...when you said that it was impossible to make sand dust-free by sifting and washing it.

"We know why the dust forms. You just say it somehow didn't happen again during handling after washing and sifting. And those of us who have handled such treated particules know what we're talking about. You, who refuse to acquire any practical understanding of the process, do not."

There's nothing impossible about sifting some sand and washing and scrubbing it until it's dust free and then placing it where the rover is going to drive.

"It has been clearly explained to you many times why it's impossible to handle particulates without generating dust. You simply say that it somehow didn't happen in this case, but do not say why."

Spinning wheels over dust-free sand would not cause enough sand to erode into dust to make a cloud.

"The majority of the dust is created as it is removed from the washing apparatus, conveyed to the photography site, and laid down -- not right as the rover wheels pass over it. The rover wheels would aerosolize the dust that was created in those prior steps."

This whole idea of not being able to make sand dust-free is totally silly.

"Not to the people who have actually tried to do it. And that would not be you.

And the whole idea that dust-free sand would exhibit the properties you say you see in the videos is also totally silly. Even if you could make it and get enough of it under the wheels without creating more dust, it still wouldn't be ejected from the wheels in air in the "obviously non-parabolic" way you say.

Not only is your sand made magical by the impossible process you say created it, but also by its uncanny ability to selectively defy the laws of aerodynamics -- laws you admit you don't understand."
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A strange scenario re sifted sand | GeologyRocks
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I would expect perfectly dry, very fine sand to be kicked up into the atmosphere and produce a bit of dust, depending on the speed of the vehicle (I think a wind speed of 20km/h will lift a 0.1mm grain into suspension). But then coarse sand would not be so easily put into suspension; hence no dust cloud.
Moving and sifting sand is unlikely to produce any finer grains (unless you really go at it and whack it with hammers or something!). However, I think it highly unlikely you could wash and sieve several tonnes of sand and get it all the same grain size...
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transportation and dumping the sand will not be enough to cause dust creation unless you had a very dirty an dusty transport container.
driving a vehicle thru it will not creat dust either (unless you repeat the process insanely often to grind down the sand grains)
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As can be seen in the above, Jay Windley said that he knew from experience that transporting and placing dust-free sand would cause enough erosion to create enough dust to form a dust cloud when the sand is driven over. This is false. Jay Windley lied.

Here's something else.
ApolloHoax.net - Difference in Body Movements

All they did was tap dance around this issue and adopt the attitude that they'd debunked the alleged anomaly.

Anyone who actually reads the threads at Clavius can see that those people are professional sophists. Sophists have a hard time obfuscating physics though.
 
You seem to be trying to sway people who haven't clicked on the links and looked at the info by misrepresenting what is said in those links.

Jay Windly and his fellow pro-Apollo posters got caught telling a clear lie in their analyses of the hoax evidence. I'll post what is said so that you can't misrepresent it.

ApolloHoax.net - Rover Footage Filmed on Earth
(excerpt)
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...when you said that it was impossible to make sand dust-free by sifting and washing it.

"We know why the dust forms. You just say it somehow didn't happen again during handling after washing and sifting. And those of us who have handled such treated particules know what we're talking about. You, who refuse to acquire any practical understanding of the process, do not."

There's nothing impossible about sifting some sand and washing and scrubbing it until it's dust free and then placing it where the rover is going to drive.

"It has been clearly explained to you many times why it's impossible to handle particulates without generating dust. You simply say that it somehow didn't happen in this case, but do not say why."

Spinning wheels over dust-free sand would not cause enough sand to erode into dust to make a cloud.

"The majority of the dust is created as it is removed from the washing apparatus, conveyed to the photography site, and laid down -- not right as the rover wheels pass over it. The rover wheels would aerosolize the dust that was created in those prior steps."

This whole idea of not being able to make sand dust-free is totally silly.

"Not to the people who have actually tried to do it. And that would not be you.

And the whole idea that dust-free sand would exhibit the properties you say you see in the videos is also totally silly. Even if you could make it and get enough of it under the wheels without creating more dust, it still wouldn't be ejected from the wheels in air in the "obviously non-parabolic" way you say.

Not only is your sand made magical by the impossible process you say created it, but also by its uncanny ability to selectively defy the laws of aerodynamics -- laws you admit you don't understand."
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A strange scenario re sifted sand | GeologyRocks
(excerpts)
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I would expect perfectly dry, very fine sand to be kicked up into the atmosphere and produce a bit of dust, depending on the speed of the vehicle (I think a wind speed of 20km/h will lift a 0.1mm grain into suspension). But then coarse sand would not be so easily put into suspension; hence no dust cloud.
Moving and sifting sand is unlikely to produce any finer grains (unless you really go at it and whack it with hammers or something!). However, I think it highly unlikely you could wash and sieve several tonnes of sand and get it all the same grain size...
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transportation and dumping the sand will not be enough to cause dust creation unless you had a very dirty an dusty transport container.
driving a vehicle thru it will not creat dust either (unless you repeat the process insanely often to grind down the sand grains)
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As can be seen in the above, Jay Windley said that he knew from experience that transporting and placing dust-free sand would cause enough erosion to create enough dust to form a dust cloud when the sand is driven over. This is false. Jay Windley lied.

Here's something else.
ApolloHoax.net - Difference in Body Movements

All they did was tap dance around this issue and adopt the attitude that they'd debunked the alleged anomaly.

Anyone who actually reads the threads at Clavius can see that those people are professional sophists. Sophists have a hard time obfuscating physics though.

By damn the sand did it again. first ate the guy from princess bride and now helps prove the fact that humans didnt land on the moon.
 
Almost all the pro-Apollo people who post on forums work for the government and know the moon missions were faked.
Rules of Disinformation

The evidence of fakery is so clear that the only thing they can do to sway people's opinions is to keep them from seeing it.

Really? That's your conclusion? People who have educated themselves on the issue and hive a dissenting opinion must work for the government?

SiskoAnimated.gif
 
I don't have much time so I'll just deal with one issue for now.

The Clavius site is a governemt damage-control site and all it's regular pro-Apollo posters know that Apollo was a hoax.

Jay Windley got caught telling a big lie which is explained here.
ApolloHoax.net - The Dust-Free Sand Issue

Look at reply #386 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Rover Footage Filmed on Earth

Now look at the 3rd and 6th posts on this thread.
A strange scenario re sifted sand | GeologyRocks

Look at the way Jay Windley ducked this question asked of him.
ApolloHoax.net - A question for Jay Windley

This is who Jay Windley is.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author


I got banned for thirty days at Clavius for using non-Apollo info to further my argument that the government is capable of telling gigantic lies.
ApolloHoax.net - All of the Apollo data are bogus
(see reply #33)

They talked about it in reply #138 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Banned users

I continued the topic in the "Conspiracy theory" section instead of the "Hoax theory" section in the hope that they would let me speak freely.
ApolloHoax.net - All the Apollo Data are Bogus

As you can see by reading the thread, the moderator closed it because his people couldn't discredit the topic without looking silly.

Just the fact that the Clavius site is there is circumstantial evidence that Apollo was a hoax.

In most of those threads, it appears that you are making a lot of claims, consistently failing to support them and then committing tons of logical fallacies. Why would you expect to be taken seriously?
 
I don't have much time so I'll just deal with one issue for now.

The Clavius site is a governemt damage-control site and all it's regular pro-Apollo posters know that Apollo was a hoax.

Jay Windley got caught telling a big lie which is explained here.
ApolloHoax.net - The Dust-Free Sand Issue

Look at reply #386 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Rover Footage Filmed on Earth

Now look at the 3rd and 6th posts on this thread.
A strange scenario re sifted sand | GeologyRocks

Look at the way Jay Windley ducked this question asked of him.
ApolloHoax.net - A question for Jay Windley

This is who Jay Windley is.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author


I got banned for thirty days at Clavius for using non-Apollo info to further my argument that the government is capable of telling gigantic lies.
ApolloHoax.net - All of the Apollo data are bogus
(see reply #33)

They talked about it in reply #138 here.
ApolloHoax.net - Banned users

I continued the topic in the "Conspiracy theory" section instead of the "Hoax theory" section in the hope that they would let me speak freely.
ApolloHoax.net - All the Apollo Data are Bogus

As you can see by reading the thread, the moderator closed it because his people couldn't discredit the topic without looking silly.

Just the fact that the Clavius site is there is circumstantial evidence that Apollo was a hoax.

By damn the sand did it again. first ate the guy from princess bride and now helps prove the fact that humans didnt land on the moon.

Scott: You provide links to other moon hoax forums as proof? You make a bold statement that the Clavius web site is a govt. propaganda site without any proof. I have asked more than one poster to show where the analysis of the badastronomy or clavius information is incorrect. That is proffesional papers written by people in the field. Posting to another forum or providing a vid that just makes statements without backuup evidence holds no value.

So I play the game. The moon hoax sites are anti govt. propaganda aimed at discrediting anything dealing with NASA and any space industrial companies. The aim it to distrupt scientific breakthroughs in space engineering. If I had a camcorder I would make a vid to post. Makes it believalbe doesn't it.:rofl
 
I'm sorry to step in on this one, and I don't exactly have the 'proof' to back up my opinion per se, but who says it's such a black and white issue???

What I'm thinking is that obviously there's FAR too many people that witnessed the actual space launches that were headed to the moon for the entire thing to be a fiction... and it seems that the exorbitant level of funds that went into the launches above and beyond what it takes for a regular satelite launch, IMO, shows that they didn't just send those astronauts on a few laps of the earth while faking the video.

What I suspect is that the landing was real, but for whatever reason the video showed something that was not acceptable for public consumption, and so portions of the video were altered / staged or whatever the case is...

What they might have found on the moon that was worthy of keeping from the public, I don't know... maybe it had to do with the amounts of water that was found on the moon according to that recent Indian probe, maybe it was alien life that was found, maybe the moon is like the 'death star' (of star wars fame)I honestly don't know.

It would be alot easier to fake / alter footage taken from the moon then it would be to fake the entire trip.

I have seen some interesting presentations discussing issues like 'hollow moon' or other theories, although I take those more as entertainment value then anything.... one of the issues brought up is how in many of those pictures with the crosshairs, if you look carefully, the crosshairs do not appear 'above the horizon', I found that curious.

That's my 2 cents.
 
First of all, you people are playing dumb about the evidence I posted that Jay Windley is a liar. That is the classic MO of a disinfo agent who doesn't even believe his own arguments.
Rules of Disinformation
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9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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The waving flag could have been caused by static electricity. Cloth doesn't flap back and forth like a pendulum in an atmosphere.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4"]YouTube- Apollo 15 waving flag at 2:37[/ame]
YouTube - moonfaker the flags are alive
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0"]YouTube- The flag that moved[/ame]

This is such clear evidence of fakery that the best sophist in the world couldn't convince a twelve-year-old that the footage wasn't taken in a studio.

The flag moves at the exact moment when it's consistent with the atmosphere explanation.
In the third video above, it can be seen that the the flag moves away from the astronaut before it moves toward him. This rules out static electricity as it would either only be repelled, or only be attracted. There would also have been similar motion when he was close to the flag at the beginning of the clip.
He was too far away to have touched it. In the begining of the clip when the astronaut is next to the flag the astronaut's helmet is about one fifth the size it was when he trotted by and made the flag move. I cut some newspapers to be about the size of the helmets and put one of them about as far away from me as the flag was from the camera. In order for the other piece to appear five times as big as the further one, it had to be about six feet closer to me.
If he'd kicked dirt against the flag, it would have been visible. If it had been ground vibration, the pole and the staff would have moved.

Anyone can hang some light material from a ceiling light and trot by it and duplicate the flag movement. The flag in the video moves a little more slowly for a longer time because the footage was shown at about sixty seven percent slow-motion (according to Jarrah White's studies).

The Apollo 11 footage sped up absolutely looks unnatural. The astronauts fling their arms back and forth crazy fast.
You seem to be trying to sway people who haven't taken the time to watch the sped up footage. It looks absolutely natural.

[ame=http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736]Man didnt land on the moon[/ame]
(21 minute mark)

Funny thing happened on the way to the Moon - Czech subtitles / České titulky
(30 minute 40 second mark)

The clip about Collin's jacket in zero gravity has been deleted.
It can be seen here at about 40% through the video.
Apollo XI: The Little Gem. Part 4 - LiveVideo.com

Here's a clip of zero-G.
[nomedia="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4"]301 Moved Permanently[/nomedia]

I know the difference between micro-gravity and zero-gravity but that looks like fairly strong gravity.

Also, look at the way Collins' dogtags bounce up and down in the above video and compare the behavior with that of the dog tags in this clip.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3dGBSggYq8"]YouTube- NASA - Space Shuttle Atlantis STS-117 Crew Has Fun in Space[/ame]
(1:49 time mark)

The rock's shadow looks fine when you take the terrain into account.
You might turn out to be right on this one but this doesn't make the other evidence go away.
 
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