Was Obama destined to fail before he even took office?

[samsmart]

I don't see the improvement - I see another crash coming. But, I also don't agree that it's especially the media's doing that Obama's expectations were over the top. I think the rhetoric and number of promises made by the campaign was coupled with Obama's charisma, youth and yes, race... to make a very potent concoction that got him elected. He was and is wholly unqualified and continues to show his lack of leadership, lack of understanding and lack of connection with the American people. His education was not and is not enough to save him - so it was his own doing, not necessarily the media's --- though I will agree that once he was elected the media continues to protect him and spin for him with few exceptions. That may be over soon.

I think he has connected to the American people a lot better than Bush/Cheney did during that adiministration, or McCain/Palin ever could.

 

[Erod]

I think he has connected to the American people a lot better than Bush/Cheney did during that adiministration, or McCain/Palin ever could.

He's driving unemployment and the national debt into the stratosphere. He has world leaders laughing at him. He ramrodded a healthcare bill through with the shadiest of measures, which Americans overwhelmingly want repealed. He wants to sue a state over its wish to enforce basic immigration law, which the majority of Americans ironically want passed in their own states. And he's virtually vanished from the worst environmental catastrophe in American history.

He's connected with no one. His poll numbers are down there where the spill is.

 

[baltbelieve]

it has been my contention that the left, in particular the media, that Obama was raised to such a high status that NO ONE COULD LIVE UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS put upon him.

I will not try to hide the fact taht I oppose pretty much everything Obama stands for. But that has nothing to do with my point. IMHO No human on planet earth could have lived up to the expectations that the left had for Obama.

this has nothing to do with Obama having no real world experience
this has nothign to do with Obama having overly idealistic values
this has nothing to do with Obama being yada yada yada
Nobody would have survived the hype, atleast that is my opinion

what say you

I say you have offered a splendid example of begging the question. The question that must be proved is that Obama has failed. Once you have carried that burden of proof, then you can begin to examine possible reasons.

 

[Ockham]

Connected in what way? Emotionally?

I'd say that the perception certainly was, leading up to his election - that he was popular, no doubt. Ask any Prom king or queen how far their popularity got them in life and work. I don't want a popular President, I want a competent President.

 

[DeeJayH]

Why is it those that want to try to paint Obama as a "Failure" are pretty much the same ones that apologized for GWB and contend that history will judge him as being a "Great and Inspired World Leader"?

The reality is, things are improving, slowly, but they are improving. I guess if taking an economy heading for a depression and pulling us out is a failure....that's pretty good spin.

so the fact that the economy 'Appears to be improving' at, oh lets see, at about the exact length of time that a economic downturn usually takes, should be attributed to the one? ha ha. better get some better kool-aid than that

 

[DeeJayH]

I say you have offered a splendid example of begging the question. The question that must be proved is that Obama has failed. Once you have carried that burden of proof, then you can begin to examine possible reasons.

Liberal Fail

I asked if he was DESTINED to fail. Do you think someone can be so built up before starting a job, that there is no way for him to succeed at the levels expected, therefor failing

do you get it now

 

[Slartibartfast]

I wouldn't say that Obama was destined to fail.

However, in 2006, I think, I came to the realization that whoever was going to be president after what Bush has done was going to receive most of the fallout. It seems like my insight had some validity. I don't envy the man's job. Especially given the mood of the country after 2008, they were looking for answers and Obama tapped into it which gave him more celebrity than he asked for or deserved, in my opinion.

Especially with recent events he has no control over, like the oil spill.

 

[baltbelieve]

Liberal Fail

I asked if he was DESTINED to fail. Do you think someone can be so built up before starting a job, that there is no way for him to succeed at the levels expected, therefor failing

do you get it now

Gee, it's really tough. You think by emphasizing the word destined you removed the fallacy. Sorry - same fallacy. You are still basing your conclusions on unsubstantiated assumptions. Ever try a class in basic logic?

 

[DeeJayH]

Gee, it's really tough. You think by emphasizing the word destined you removed the fallacy. Sorry - same fallacy. You are still basing your conclusions on unsubstantiated assumptions. Ever try a class in basic logic?

sorry you are so ignorant.
Nothing in this thread has said Obama IS a failure
just if he was destinedto fail

your dodging would seem to prove the supposition of the OP.

how does that sit in your delusional liberal mindset