Was Jesus a Socialist?

[Wake]

My favorite line from liberals.

Basically, confirmation?

 

[StillBallin75]

Did Jesus believe in collective or common ownership of the means of production??

 

[Wake]

Did Jesus believe in collective or common ownership of the means of production??

Absolutely not. Yet my discussion with Sangha indicates that He was. Furthermore, I've heard such statements from ideological liberals before. Of course, not all liberals believe this, yet I've never heard He was a socialist from conservatives.

 

[StillBallin75]

Absolutely not. Yet my discussion with Sangha indicates that He was. Furthermore, I've heard such statements from ideological liberals before. Of course, not all liberals believe this,

No ****.

yet I've never heard He was a socialist from conservatives.

Well, if conservatives used the definition of socialism that they often apply to Obama, then Jesus might very well be. But of course you'll almost never hear conservatives call Jesus a socialist, why would a conservative ever be inclined to do such a thing?

 

[Risky Thicket]

Absolutely not. Yet my discussion with Sangha indicates that He was. Furthermore, I've heard such statements from ideological liberals before. Of course, not all liberals believe this, yet I've never heard He was a socialist from conservatives.

So he was a Teabagger?

 

[Badmutha]

If Jesus sent men with guns to your door for not giving........YES..........
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[NGNM85]

What were the Cat in the Hat's political leanings? Why should we care?

 

[Thunder]

My favorite line from liberals.

Basically, confirmation?

dishonesty at its finest.

I rarely hear Liberals refer to Jesus as a "Socialist".

this is a call-out thread.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

This does not matter.
But yes Jesus did seem like quite a socialist..

 

[DarkWizard12]

dishonesty at its finest.

I rarely hear Liberals refer to Jesus as a "Socialist".

this is a call-out thread.

there is a history of it on this forum :/

But you're right, in real life, no one cares. But this is a forum made up of partisans so....

 

[Thunder]

This does not matter.
But yes Jesus did seem like quite a socialist..

Jesus, if he even existed, believed in helping the poor, the sick, the lost, the downtrodden, the hungry.

He did NOT believe in govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses.

Nevermind the fact that Jesus pre-dates Socialism by 1,900 years.

 

[StillBallin75]

Jesus, if he even existed, believed in helping the poor, the sick, the lost, the downtrodden, the hungry.

He did NOT believe in govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses.

Nevermind the fact that Jesus pre-dates Socialism by 1,900 years.

Holy **** you said something semi-intelligent

Nevertheless, "govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses" is not the definition of socialism.

 

[Wake]

Jesus, if he even existed, believed in helping the poor, the sick, the lost, the downtrodden, the hungry.

He did NOT believe in govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses.

Nevermind the fact that Jesus pre-dates Socialism by 1,900 years.

And you said I was being intellectually dishonest; and when I say liberals, I don't mean "all". I never imply "all".

So there's at least two liberals/socialists within an hour that seem to think He was a socialist.

It does matter to Christians; it's insulting. Imagine if Allah was deemed a Nazi.

 

[BDBoop]

Jesus, if he even existed, believed in helping the poor, the sick, the lost, the downtrodden, the hungry.

He did NOT believe in govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses.

Nevermind the fact that Jesus pre-dates Socialism by 1,900 years.

Luke 18:22

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

 

[Thunder]

So there's at least two liberals/socialists within an hour that seem to think He was a socialist..

well, if you're now talking about me, you're being very very dishonest.

I didn't say Jesus was a Socialist. I said he wanted people to care for the poor, the sick, the weak, the downtrodden, the hungry, and children.

Does doing such things, make someone a Socialist????

care to tell that to the Salvation Army and the Red Cross??????

 

[Wake]

Luke 18:22

Lol?

Charity isn't socialism.

 

[Thunder]

Holy **** you said something semi-intelligent

Nevertheless, "govt. confiscating the resources of the few wealthy and redistributing it to the masses" is not the definition of socialism.

no, but this is one of the many things that Socialist govts. tend to do. Nationalizing banks and natural resources, for the use of the common good.

..which isn't always a bad thing.

 

[Aderleth]

My favorite line from liberals.

Basically, confirmation?

One could probably reasonably make the argument that Jesus supported ideas designed to promote the welfare of all or most people, supported generalized notions of equality, sharing, and individual responsibility for the welfare of the community; and he didn't put a whole lot of stock in the selfish acquisition of personal wealth at the expense of others. Was he a socialist? I don't see how he could have been, for the simple reason that that concept didn't exist 2000 years ago. You might say that his ideology was not inconsistent with socialism, and could be read to support certain aspects of socialism.

Obviously you'd never hear a conservative argue that Jesus was a socialist, because their ideology would be at odds with such a thing.

 

[StillBallin75]

And you said I was being intellectually dishonest; and when I say liberals, I don't mean "all". I never imply "all".

So there's at least two liberals/socialists within an hour that seem to think He was a socialist.

It does matter to Christians; it's insulting. Imagine if Allah was deemed a Nazi.

"socialist" isn't a pejorative term on the same level as "Nazi," and is only deemed as such by those who don't really know what it means.

 

[Thunder]

"socialist" isn't a pejorative term on the same level as "Nazi," and is only deemed as such by those who don't really know what it means.

likety likes like.

 

[StillBallin75]

no, but this is one of the many things that Socialist govts. tend to do. Very high taxes on the wealthy to provide for a massive welfare-state for the middle-class and poor.

...which I can't say I necessarily disagree with.

That's kind of my point though. If that's your definition of wealth redistribution, pretty much every industrialized state does it, and it sure as hell isn't exclusive to true socialists.

btw I don't necessarily disagree with it either, fwiw.

 

[Wake]

well, if you're now talking about me, you're being very very dishonest.

I didn't say Jesus was a Socialist. I said he wanted people to care for the poor, the sick, the weak, the downtrodden, the hungry, and children.

Does doing such things, make someone a Socialist????

care to tell that to the Salvation Army and the Red Cross??????

I didn't mean you.

I agree with you.

 

[Thunder]

I didn't mean you.

I agree with you.

ok.....cool.

 

[Paschendale]

No. Jesus was not a socialist. Socialism was still more than a thousand years in the making, and much of the philosophy that informs socialism had yet to come to be. Jesus was a religious fundamentalist. He preached strict adherence to Jewish law. He did, however, recognize that greed and hoarding of wealth are immoral.

 

[Thunder]

Socialists are strongly atheistic, like Marx, Stalin, Lenin, ect etc.

Jesus was religious Jew.

case closed.