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I agree. We've all heard horror stories about the state of their nuclear arsenal, especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I think we will find out the truth about what happened to the Moskva fairly soon. We gotta have satellites trained on that area.The largest Russian warship in the Black Sea is on fire and may sink. The Ukrainian government says it was hit by their missile, while the Russians say it started with fire that set of ammunition on the ship. I guess, does it really matter? Either way it is not a good look for the Russians. Either the Ukrainians have missiles that make the Russian ships too vulnerable to stay close to shore, or the poor maintenance and/or construction of the Russian ship caused the ship's possible destruction. I do know that Russian's military equipment is not always constructed well. India bought Russian Migs and they had to have 62% of the jets engines replaced as they were so poorly constructed that India was afraid to have their piolets fly them. Not a good look, so the Russians might have been right that it was a fire and ammunition that caused the ship's problems.
Whatever caused it, it's still 1 less Russian ship causing problems for Ukraine.The largest Russian warship in the Black Sea is on fire and may sink. The Ukrainian government says it was hit by their missile, while the Russians say it started with fire that set of ammunition on the ship. I guess, does it really matter? Either way it is not a good look for the Russians. Either the Ukrainians have missiles that make the Russian ships too vulnerable to stay close to shore, or the poor maintenance and/or construction of the Russian ship caused the ship's possible destruction. I do know that Russian's military equipment is not always constructed well. India bought Russian Migs and they had to have 62% of the jets engines replaced as they were so poorly constructed that India was afraid to have their piolets fly them. Not a good look, so the Russians might have been right that it was a fire and ammunition that caused the ship's problems.
Was it the missile or was it the fire? Did somebody die because they were shot or did they die due to blood loss from the bullet?
In any case, the ship still hasn't sunk, though it seems to be on fire about right now. But sunk or not, the ship is out of the fight, which means that Russia has precisely zero guided missile cruisers in the Black Sea, and Turkey seems unlikely to let the other two Slava class cruisers currently in the Mediterranean enter. There are no doubt a good many destroyers in the Black Sea, but to my knowledge these don't have anywhere near the missile capabilities that a guided cruiser does. Those things are mostly for killing subs and firing on land. And what that means is that any Russian ship that gets to within 300km of Ukrainian-controlled space can be sunk too. And compared to a missile cruiser, very easily.
To illustrate how devastating this loss was tactically for Russia, Russia has just lost easy control of all the waters West of Crimea.
While I should never underestimate Russian incompetence, it would shock me if Russia allowed any ships within Neptune range. The Movska was the bulwark of their Black Sea dominance. With medium range anti-ship missiles with US coordinate capabilities on one side, and only destroyers and subs on the other, the sea combat component of this war is effectively over.Aren't the British promising more anti-ship missiles for the Ukrainians? If that's the case, then bring in those Russian ships and I'm sure there will be more "accidental fires" on them too.
Barring video of the missile strike we probably can't say for sure, but I trust the Ukrainians over the Russians.The largest Russian warship in the Black Sea is on fire and may sink. The Ukrainian government says it was hit by their missile, while the Russians say it started with fire that set of ammunition on the ship. I guess, does it really matter? Either way it is not a good look for the Russians. Either the Ukrainians have missiles that make the Russian ships too vulnerable to stay close to shore, or the poor maintenance and/or construction of the Russian ship caused the ship's possible destruction. I do know that Russian's military equipment is not always constructed well. India bought Russian Migs and they had to have 62% of the jets engines replaced as they were so poorly constructed that India was afraid to have their piolets fly them. Not a good look, so the Russians might have been right that it was a fire and ammunition that caused the ship's problems.
Update: it sank while being towed to port.Was it the missile or was it the fire? Did somebody die because they were shot or did they die due to blood loss from the bullet?
In any case, the ship still hasn't sunk, though it seems to be on fire about right now. But sunk or not, the ship is out of the fight, which means that Russia has precisely zero guided missile cruisers in the Black Sea, and Turkey seems unlikely to let the other two Slava class cruisers currently in the Mediterranean enter. There are no doubt a good many destroyers in the Black Sea, but to my knowledge these don't have anywhere near the missile capabilities that a guided cruiser does. Those things are mostly for killing subs and firing on land. And what that means is that any Russian ship that gets to within 300km of Ukrainian-controlled space can be sunk too. And compared to a missile cruiser, very easily.
To illustrate how devastating this loss was tactically for Russia, Russia has just lost easy control of all the waters West of Crimea.
So either the Russians were incompetent and got suckered, or the Russians are even more incompetent and burned their own flagship down.
it officially became a submarineWas it the missile or was it the fire? Did somebody die because they were shot or did they die due to blood loss from the bullet?
In any case, the ship still hasn't sunk, though it seems to be on fire about right now. But sunk or not, the ship is out of the fight, which means that Russia has precisely zero guided missile cruisers in the Black Sea, and Turkey seems unlikely to let the other two Slava class cruisers currently in the Mediterranean enter. There are no doubt a good many destroyers in the Black Sea, but to my knowledge these don't have anywhere near the missile capabilities that a guided cruiser does. Those things are mostly for killing subs and firing on land. And what that means is that any Russian ship that gets to within 300km of Ukrainian-controlled space can be sunk too. And compared to a missile cruiser, very easily.
To illustrate how devastating this loss was tactically for Russia, Russia has just lost easy control of all the waters West of Crimea.
Western officials described the Ukrainian claims to have hit the Moskva with anti-ship missiles as “credible”. A senior US defence official noted that five other Russian vessels which had been as close or closer to the Ukrainian coast as the Moskva had moved at least another 20 nautical miles offshore after the explosion, suggesting an effort to get out of range of Ukrainian missiles.
Well the additional reporting is that other ships in the Black Sea Fleet are moving south. More than suggesting that they were within range.While I should never underestimate Russian incompetence, it would shock me if Russia allowed any ships within Neptune range. The Movska was the bulwark of their Black Sea dominance. With medium range anti-ship missiles with US coordinate capabilities on one side, and only destroyers and subs on the other, the sea combat component of this war is effectively over.
Sure, all you need to do is draw a 300km radius around the Ukraine-controlled coast on google maps, and you can see that the remaining Russian navy is effectively out of the game.Well the additional reporting is that other ships in the Black Sea Fleet are moving south. More than suggesting that they were within range.
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