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Was America 'great' during Slavery?

Peacenik

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Maybe a Donald follower can tell us. The 'again' thing is undefined. Please explain, thank you:

What year was it when America 'was great' that you want America to be like 'again?'

Was it during slavery? That 'was great' for slave owners. It made America's economy really become a world player for the first time. Too bad it was wrong to own people and use them like farm animals. Free labor sure did lead to a lot of profits for the owners of other humans. Is it the maga position that things have simply gone downhill ever since?

Is that why there is so much racism in the maga bubble?
 
Racism is kind of like poverty. It gets handed down from generation to generation. People do tend to fall into the habits they were raised with.

So many Donald followers want the South to rise again, refuse to let go of the Confederacy, and are open racists.

The rest of Donald's followers never call them out on it. Just look the other way. Side by side with real hateful people. That's shameful.

Maybe most of Donald's followers wouldn't go attack the government; but they'll make up all kinds of reasons to deny it happened, or make excuses about why it was 'justified.'

Supporting criminals. That's what it is. Supporting lawlessness. Well, that must be easy after supporting Donald. He's a big fat crook. And all his followers just look the other way. Or pretend he's some angel. Really, he's as crafty as the Dark Lord. Silver tongued Devil. That's what he is. And he's got all his followers wrapped around his little finger.

Donald's followers like him because he bothers liberals. Yes, of course he does. Doing wrong things bothers a lot more people than just liberals. Just because his followers are looking the other way at it doesn't mean it's not happening. They just choose not to see it.
 
Peacenik said:
Racism is kind of like poverty. It gets handed down from generation to generation. People do tend to fall into the habits they were raised with.

So many Donald followers want the South to rise again, refuse to let go of the Confederacy, and are open racists.

The rest of Donald's followers never call them out on it. Just look the other way. Side by side with real hateful people. That's shameful.

Maybe most of Donald's followers wouldn't go attack the government; but they'll make up all kinds of reasons to deny it happened, or make excuses about why it was 'justified.'

Supporting criminals. That's what it is. Supporting lawlessness. Well, that must be easy after supporting Donald. He's a big fat crook. And all his followers just look the other way. Or pretend he's some angel. Really, he's as crafty as the Dark Lord. Silver tongued Devil. That's what he is. And he's got all his followers wrapped around his little finger.

Donald's followers like him because he bothers liberals. Yes, of course he does. Doing wrong things bothers a lot more people than just liberals. Just because his followers are looking the other way at it doesn't mean it's not happening. They just choose not to see it.
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Are democrats prone to riot like in 2020? So called "social justice" justifies striking out against innocent people . The Minneapolis riot started because the locals couldn't wait for local authority to act. They went lawless on their own. Herd mentality set in wrecking much of the USA .
Property violence violence on people, Destruction of monuments historical monuments. Then glorifying a drug addict felon .
 
Aurora said:
Are democrats prone to riot like in 2020? So called "social justice" justifies striking out against innocent people . The Minneapolis riot started because the locals couldn't wait for local authority to act. They went lawless on their own. Herd mentality set in wrecking much of the USA .
Property violence violence on people, Destruction of monuments historical monuments. Then glorifying a drug addict felon .
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Are you glorifying a murderer?
 
Aurora said:
Are democrats prone to riot like in 2020? So called "social justice" justifies striking out against innocent people . The Minneapolis riot started because the locals couldn't wait for local authority to act. They went lawless on their own. Herd mentality set in wrecking much of the USA .
Property violence violence on people, Destruction of monuments historical monuments. Then glorifying a drug addict felon .
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Doesn't answer the question.

Was America 'great' during slavery?
 
It was great four years ago. Gas prices were falling, interest rates were low, lots of people had free time from their jobs, the number of people crossing the borders was way down... you get the picture.

I hope I didn't miss anything important.
 
The 'again' thing was never explained,

When was America 'great?'

How can so many people embrace this message, maga, and not even be able to explain it?

Sounds like a pretty good con if his followers can't even answer such a simple question.

When was America 'great?'

Was it during slavery?

Just asking...
 
Isidore said:
It was great four years ago. Gas prices were falling, interest rates were low, lots of people had free time from their jobs, the number of people crossing the borders was way down... you get the picture.

I hope I didn't miss anything important.
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That doesn't work. His followers embraced the message in 2016. It had to be some time prior to 2016 or it's bullshit.
 
Isidore said:
It was great four years ago. Gas prices were falling, interest rates were low, lots of people had free time from their jobs, the number of people crossing the borders was way down... you get the picture.

I hope I didn't miss anything important.
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And then a crisis, which the president knew about in advance, ignored, then downplayed, absolutely destroyed it. So that greatness obviously hung by a thread and was corruptible by ego, deliberate ignorance, and inability or unwillingness to lead...so was it ever greatness? One crisis and it snapped in half. How great could it have been if only an even keel and the best of circumstances, plus some kind of literal miracle wiping away disease and overcoming a deliberate lack of preparedness followed by a deliberate downplaying, could have kept it afloat?
 
Peacenik said:
The 'again' thing was never explained,

When was America 'great?'
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“If you look back, it really was, there was a period of time when we were developing at the turn of the century which was a pretty wild time for this country and pretty wild in terms of building that machine, that machine was really based on entrepreneurship,” he told the Times.

Trump also pointed to the “late ’40s and ‘50s,” a time when, he said, “we were not pushed around, we were respected by everybody, we had just won a war, we were pretty much doing what we had to do.”

Not on his list: The Reagan Era.

“As much as I liked Ronald Reagan, he started NAFTA,” Trump said. “Now Clinton really was the one that — NAFTA has been a disaster for our country, O.K., and Clinton is the one as you know that got it done, but it was conceived even before Clinton, but you could say that maybe those people didn’t want done what was ultimately signed because it was changed a lot by the time it got finalized. But NAFTA has been a disaster for our country.”

Peacenik said:
How can so many people embrace this message, maga, and not even be able to explain it?

Sounds like a pretty good con if his followers can't even answer such a simple question.

When was America 'great?'

Was it during slavery?

Just asking...
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Peacenik said:
Maybe a Donald follower can tell us. The 'again' thing is undefined. Please explain, thank you:

What year was it when America 'was great' that you want America to be like 'again?'

Was it during slavery? That 'was great' for slave owners. It made America's economy really become a world player for the first time. Too bad it was wrong to own people and use them like farm animals. Free labor sure did lead to a lot of profits for the owners of other humans. Is it the maga position that things have simply gone downhill ever since?

Is that why there is so much racism in the maga bubble?
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Conservatives- not that Trump is a conservative but he fumbles around at trying to appeal to them- conservatives think that there was a perfect moment when America was great and they want to legislate and enforce society so they can live in that moment forever. Usually that moment was when their fathers were children so no, they don't think slavery is part of their vision.
But in that perfect moment black people were docile and didn't try to climb up in society. They didn't stir up trouble. Women didn't either. They could vote but they voted with their husbands and certainly didn't expect to have the same social opportunities.
Conservatism in a rather large nutshell.
 
Grand Mal said:
Conservatives- not that Trump is a conservative but he fumbles around at trying to appeal to them- conservatives think that there was a perfect moment when America was great and they want to legislate and enforce society so they can live in that moment forever. Usually that moment was when their fathers were children so no, they don't think slavery is part of their vision.
But in that perfect moment black people were docile and didn't try to climb up in society. They didn't stir up trouble. Women didn't either. They could vote but they voted with their husbands and certainly didn't expect to have the same social opportunities.
Conservatism in a rather large nutshell.
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In the late 40s and the 50s we were in the unique position of having the world by the nuts because we were rebuilding it. It was our personal perfect storm.

We are NOT in that position now and will not be there again.

As for the racist and authoritarian rest of it, not even gonna go there.
 
Peacenik said:
Maybe a Donald follower can tell us. The 'again' thing is undefined. Please explain, thank you:
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Don't hold you breath. I ask this nearly daily here and still not one traitor has responded.
 
noonereal said:
Don't hold you breath. I ask this nearly daily here and still not one traitor has responded.
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A quick search seems to indicate the last time you mentioned "slavery" was early last fall.
 
Peacenik said:
Maybe a Donald follower can tell us. The 'again' thing is undefined. Please explain, thank you:

What year was it when America 'was great' that you want America to be like 'again?'

Was it during slavery? That 'was great' for slave owners. It made America's economy really become a world player for the first time. Too bad it was wrong to own people and use them like farm animals. Free labor sure did lead to a lot of profits for the owners of other humans. Is it the maga position that things have simply gone downhill ever since?

Is that why there is so much racism in the maga bubble?
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Do you think America is great now? If not, do you think if was ever great?
 
Michael Cole said:
“If you look back, it really was, there was a period of time when we were developing at the turn of the century which was a pretty wild time for this country and pretty wild in terms of building that machine, that machine was really based on entrepreneurship,” he told the Times.

Trump also pointed to the “late ’40s and ‘50s,” a time when, he said, “we were not pushed around, we were respected by everybody, we had just won a war, we were pretty much doing what we had to do.”
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So, prior to the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act being passed.

Perhaps just a coincidence.
 
EnchantedMuggle said:
And then a crisis, which the president knew about in advance, ignored, then downplayed, absolutely destroyed it. So that greatness obviously hung by a thread and was corruptible by ego, deliberate ignorance, and inability or unwillingness to lead...so was it ever greatness? One crisis and it snapped in half. How great could it have been if only an even keel and the best of circumstances, plus some kind of literal miracle wiping away disease and overcoming a deliberate lack of preparedness followed by a deliberate downplaying, could have kept it afloat?
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I guess I did forget to include why all that was happening four years ago.

Gas prices were falling, in part because demand fell drastically when social distancing went into effect in so many parts of the world.

Interest rates were being pushed down near zero in hopes of keeping economies from completely collapsing.

Record numbers of people were not working when social distancing policies were enacted. (Time off work!)

Restrictions at the borders of many countries were enacted to try to slow the spread of Covid-19 - which resulted in an unprecedented drop in the numbers of people traveling internationally.

Maybe those things I listed in my previous post weren't so great after all...

Four years ago, Trump was predicting churches were going to be full by Easter. Just doing his part to make keep America great.

Perhaps the best thing to happen in 2020 was that Trump wasn't re-elected.


An interconnected global economy largely designed to maximize profits under normal circumstances may not be the most resilient system when faced with a once in a century worldwide pandemic. Unfortunately the response by most nations to the crisis was inadequate. Or, in other words, not great.
 
It's a nonsensical question. Countries are more complicated than 'great' or 'not great'. They can have things that are great and things that are terrible. It's just 'politically awkward' to say a country that has terrible things is great, because some will claim you are saying the terrible things are great.
 
Isidore said:
It was great four years ago. Gas prices were falling, interest rates were low, lots of people had free time from their jobs, the number of people crossing the borders was way down... you get the picture.

I hope I didn't miss anything important.
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On the other hand we all lived in fear of disease, and "free time from their jobs" wasn't universally welcome.
 
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