No. You made the claim. Support it or ignore my question. Your choice.
false.
but everyone should have debt free access to post secondary education.
I gave you the link and you and all the other libs in there refused to follow through.
you only want fund it with other peoples money.
highly subjective if you ask me.
That's a lot of words there but none of them actually answer the question.
Someone who isn't productive enough because Sawdust declares their labor is of lesser value than the cost to live. What happens to them?
Since you have anecdotal evidence, I do as well. I also went to a private school (in the Midwest) for my primary education, I transferred out of it and went into the public school system. I was over 3 months behind in the teaching curriculum going from private to public(Math, English, Science). That private school was 3 months slower in teaching the same principles as the public school was.I went to private school. They actually make you think as opposed to memorize BS so you pass some standardized test. Rich people go to schools to learn how to think, poor people go to schools to learn how to memorize.
At what age is someone mature enough to take on debt or to make their own financial decisions?
I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I am suggesting your are on the verge of getting into the nanny-state policy.
they shouldn't have to go into debt in order to attend college.
require completion of the degree as a condition.
as for keeping the cost down, subsidize the school.
we waste money on many programs that are more idiotic than that.
this is getting boring. enjoy skipping the front end investment and paying long term on the back end.
And all I'm saying is that they shouldn't even be able to in some cases. It's fair to neither the creditor nor the debtor in some cases.
That ensures devaluation of the degrees. How do we keep our higher ed competitive with the rest of the world?
That doesn't keep the cost down, it just reassigns it, and in some cases subsidy can make cost problems worse.
Worse idiocy fails to persuade me to accept not-worse idiocy.
work instead of wanting other people to pay your way through life. it is what most people do. I get great joy for working for the things
that I have. rather than someone just handing it to me.
if people don't have the motivation to go to college while working for it they don't have the motivation if you and other like you pay for it.
your opinion is your opinion.
and your opinion on a great many things is :
Other people should pay my way through life simply because they have money and they can. everything should be free and no one should have to pay
for anything unless it is someone else.
when challenged to start funding it yourself you refuse shows how baseless the ideology actually is.
uneducated / untrained individuals cost society a lot of money long term. i'm arguing that we should remove the paywall and make the investment on the front end. there's really no downside.
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I made a late edit to my last post, which I'll repeat:
I would much sooner recommend taking every dollar you'd advise throwing at higher education and instead devote it to social, therapeutic and educational programming that will take young children out of the traumatic and unpredictable care of their irresponsible parents and into positive learning environments.
Those tall gray bars represent people who can't even make it through high school (where there's no pay wall). Higher ed isn't the real problem. It's earlier. Much earlier.
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It's not nanny state to deny credit where there's no evidence of creditworthiness....
i don't waste time on strawman fallacies.
uneducated / untrained individuals cost society a lot of money long term. i'm arguing that we should remove the paywall and make the investment on the front end. there's really no downside.
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lets jettison this living wage idiocy. It has no relevance to a rational discussion about the cost of a commodity known as labor
usually people that are not productive enough end up being fired. that is the way that it goes.
And then? Homelessness? Starvation?
they an try and find another job but unless they improve their job habits chance are they will get fired again.
But their skills aren't worth enough to feed themselves. Ludin has decreed it. They'll never make that much.
strawmans are not arguments either.
Over and over we hear from you guys that these people aren't worth more than minimum wage. Burger flipping is only worth $5/hour, because reasons.
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