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Ward Churchill & Dinesh D'Souza on the Kelly File

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I saw this clip this morning on RealClearPolitics and took several things from it:

1. It's probably the most non-confrontational discussion featuring 2 people so far apart on their views of the world I've seen.
2. The entire discussion took place in a way that I wish all discussions among adversaries would...
3. Unlike other discussions I've seen with people representing the extreme left, there was no animosity shown toward the opposition and no avoidance of the facts about their true views and beliefs.
4. Instead of trying to protect the stronghold that liberalism has on the American education system, Mr. Churchill told the truth about how he was fully accepted and even praised by his peers, having full knowledge of his beliefs about America and the fact he was teaching those beliefs to his students.





I applaud Churchill's honesty because even though in his opinion our education system leans right, he makes it very clear by his description of how he was accepted and praised for 20 years by his peers, that in spite of the consistent denial and dismissal from the left our education system in America was in fact hijacked by the far left decades ago and has been indoctrinating generations to revile America, rather than embrace her, ever since. This confirms my beliefs and the beliefs of millions of others, as to why the political left has become so anti-American, anti-capitalist, and has so little respect for the constitution, our founding principals and people of faith. It explains why hatred is so predominant in their political arguments and plays such an important part in their political belief system.

Churchill's response to Kelly's question asking him to name one thing that America has done that's good really said it all. He not only could not think of one thing that America has done that was good, when Kelly suggested what I consider a no-brainer, that America had "liberated Europe in WWII", Churchill disagreed and credited the Soviet Union for that achievement.

Dinesh D'Souza did a fantastic job of describing how the political transformation in America has taken place over the years, and pointing out why the left has embraced such anti-American sentiments. The fact that Churchill never disagreed with what he was saying makes it pretty hard for anyone to argue the points he was making, but Im sure that won't stop you all from trying.
 
I saw this clip this morning on RealClearPolitics and took several things from it:

1. It's probably the most non-confrontational discussion featuring 2 people so far apart on their views of the world I've seen.
2. The entire discussion took place in a way that I wish all discussions among adversaries would...
3. Unlike other discussions I've seen with people representing the extreme left, there was no animosity shown toward the opposition and no avoidance of the facts about their true views and beliefs.
4. Instead of trying to protect the stronghold that liberalism has on the American education system, Mr. Churchill told the truth about how he was fully accepted and even praised by his peers, having full knowledge of his beliefs about America and the fact he was teaching those beliefs to his students.





I applaud Churchill's honesty because even though in his opinion our education system leans right, he makes it very clear by his description of how he was accepted and praised for 20 years by his peers, that in spite of the consistent denial and dismissal from the left our education system in America was in fact hijacked by the far left decades ago and has been indoctrinating generations to revile America, rather than embrace her, ever since. This confirms my beliefs and the beliefs of millions of others, as to why the political left has become so anti-American, anti-capitalist, and has so little respect for the constitution, our founding principals and people of faith. It explains why hatred is so predominant in their political arguments and plays such an important part in their political belief system.

Churchill's response to Kelly's question asking him to name one thing that America has done that's good really said it all. He not only could not think of one thing that America has done that was good, when Kelly suggested what I consider a no-brainer, that America had "liberated Europe in WWII", Churchill disagreed and credited the Soviet Union for that achievement.

Dinesh D'Souza did a fantastic job of describing how the political transformation in America has taken place over the years, and pointing out why the left has embraced such anti-American sentiments. The fact that Churchill never disagreed with what he was saying makes it pretty hard for anyone to argue the points he was making, but Im sure that won't stop you all from trying.


Nice summary. What I took away from that interview is... Two crazies trying their hardest to sound sane in front of the hot chick. Not so different from High School. I don't know why Ward Churchill is all of a sudden back in the spotlight (thanks to Fox News). Though they did an amazing job pairing up dsouza next to him. Unfortunately they need say that both of their guests are conspiracy theorists for it to be truly objective.
 
D'Souza is one of the great minds of the 21st century. He seeks and finds fundamental truth at its most base source and he presents it in an appealing wrapper. He also knows the enemy (liberalism, leftists, etc.) better than anyone and characterizes them completely accurately and fairly. This is why Churchill never balks, because D'Souza doesn't need to misrepresent evil and evil knows it.
 
Nice summary. What I took away from that interview is... Two crazies trying their hardest to sound sane in front of the hot chick. Not so different from High School. I don't know why Ward Churchill is all of a sudden back in the spotlight (thanks to Fox News). Though they did an amazing job pairing up dsouza next to him. Unfortunately they need say that both of their guests are conspiracy theorists for it to be truly objective.

You just gave yourself away... You're not "moderate GOP", you're a "liberal".

1. You avoided addressing any of the points I made.
2. You slipped in an unprovoked and unnecessary cheap shot at Fox News.
3. You played the equivalence game labeling them both as "crazies" and "conspiracyricy theorists", in order to justify not addressing what was talked about.

The honest way to dismiss or avoid addressing something, is by not posting anything at all... Of course if the idea is to convince as many people as possible to ignore what's said on a post, then you engage in numbers 1, 2 and 3 above.
 
You just gave yourself away... You're not "moderate GOP", you're a "liberal".

1. You avoided addressing any of the points I made.
2. You slipped in an unprovoked and unnecessary cheap shot at Fox News.
3. You played the equivalence game labeling them both as "crazies" and "conspiracyricy theorists", in order to justify not addressing what was talked about.

The honest way to dismiss or avoid addressing something, is by not posting anything at all... Of course if the idea is to convince as many people as possible to ignore what's said on a post, then you engage in numbers 1, 2 and 3 above.

If only "crazy" were the only thing D'Souza could be faulted for. He's also a philanderer and a criminal

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You just gave yourself away... You're not "moderate GOP", you're a "liberal".

1. You avoided addressing any of the points I made.
2. You slipped in an unprovoked and unnecessary cheap shot at Fox News.
3. You played the equivalence game labeling them both as "crazies" and "conspiracyricy theorists", in order to justify not addressing what was talked about.

The honest way to dismiss or avoid addressing something, is by not posting anything at all... Of course if the idea is to convince as many people as possible to ignore what's said on a post, then you engage in numbers 1, 2 and 3 above.

I have defended Fox News countless times on this site. Just in another thread today I defended Glenn Beck (and I don't normally do that) I am an avid Fox News watcher and total fan. It is my number one Go To news source for breaking news on politics or international issues. Just because I don't like this one interview does not mean I am attacking Fox News. I just can't stand stuff like this. They take a topic like 9/11 and pit two of the most extreme opinions against each other. Like we haven't heard what these guys and others like them have said countless times before...

1. I said nice summary and added my own thoughts. Including questioning why Churchhill is back in the news these days.
2. That was not my intention. If anything I blame Churchill for taking money from Fox to appear on this interview. He could have easily declined if he hates the right so much...
3. They are! I don't believe they have many coherent thoughts and I have heard each of them speak on Fox News throughout the years, countless times before. I've also seen d'souza's movies and read his books. Why on Earth would I want to listen to them blabber on together? It's like watching an interview with Alex Jones and Ron Paul. AHHHH!!!! My brain!!!!
 
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LOL... By engaging in petty personal attacks and completely avoiding the topic of discussion, you all make my criticism and accusations of hate sooooo damned easy.

Notice that neither myself or Respecthelect made disparaging comments about Churchill... In fact, we both went out of our way to actually compliment the guy.
 
You just gave yourself away... You're not "moderate GOP", you're a "liberal".

1. You avoided addressing any of the points I made.
2. You slipped in an unprovoked and unnecessary cheap shot at Fox News.
3. You played the equivalence game labeling them both as "crazies" and "conspiracyricy theorists", in order to justify not addressing what was talked about.

The honest way to dismiss or avoid addressing something, is by not posting anything at all... Of course if the idea is to convince as many people as possible to ignore what's said on a post, then you engage in numbers 1, 2 and 3 above.

My observation is that there are an awful lot of forumites who call themselves "moderate", but are quite clearly liberal.
 
LOL... By engaging in petty personal attacks and completely avoiding the topic of discussion, you all make my criticism and accusations of hate sooooo damned easy.

Notice that neither myself or Respecthelect made disparaging comments about Churchill... In fact, we both went out of our way to actually compliment the guy.

Some of us have a "smearing" reflex.
 
LOL... By engaging in petty personal attacks and completely avoiding the topic of discussion, you all make my criticism and accusations of hate sooooo damned easy.

Notice that neither myself or Respecthelect made disparaging comments about Churchill... In fact, we both went out of our way to actually compliment the guy.

Some of us have a "smearing" reflex.
 
This is the type of liberal I can respect-at least they are open with it.

Unfortunately, this type of liberal is also "teaching" our children. College professors have tremendous influence in shaping the world view of their students.
 
Unfortunately, this type of liberal is also "teaching" our children. College professors have tremendous influence in shaping the world view of their students.

Indeed. I just recently graduated but over the last 6 years the entitled, smug display seen in the video was par for the course. It happened so often it was unremarkable.
 
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