sbrettt
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I want to get a feel for many people here are pro-legalization of pot, how many are pro legalization of everything, and how many are drug warriors.
Oh, and that whole "pot is harmless" crap? Have you ever seen neglected children whose pothead excuses for parents are too stoned to care for them. That happens too.
The "war on drugs" is just a war on people. The object is to get as many people into the "prison industrial complex" as possible.
Then fines and penalties have to be payed. They have to be "monitored"...all this requires more jails and prisons and more unionized cops and guards, swat teams, dogs, guns, cars, radios and clerks and judges and courthouses and probation officers and lawyers....etc..etc...Essentially bigger government to "control" more people and take their property.
The more people they get in the system, the more they can point to a drug "problem"..and continue to grow the system at the expanse of citizens. It's a self fulfilling, never ending "problem" (racket) that can only be addressed by incarcerating more and more people.
It's all about control.
Have you ever heard a cop/police chief say that they have enough "assets"?..of course not. They always want more....it "justifies" their job.
Imagine if drugs were legalized today...the jails would be emptied and all these law "enforcement" people wouldn't be necessary.
It ain't gonna happen.
No, pot is not harmless, most rational people realize this. However, it's no more harmful than alcohol or tobacco, and those are legal.
Plus IMO when you compare the harm that might be done by legalizing marijuana vs the cost of enforcing the laws against it, I don't think it's worth it to keep it illegal.
I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.
People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
I think with hard drugs like heroine and Methamphetamine, the government should continue going after dealers, distributes, and manufactures, but decriminalize the use of those drugs. Also I think the government should offer a clean alternative for people going through withdrawal.I'm in favor of legalizing marijuana as well as some other relatively harmless and less addictive drugs like ecstasy, LSD, mescaline, and mushrooms. I also believe some drugs are dangerous enough that they should remain illegal, such as heroin, cocaine, and crystal meth.
I do think that the method of enforcement should change for the drugs that remain illegal though. It should focus on the people importing and selling the drugs, and focus more on treating the addiction of users rather than punishing them.
I want to get a feel for many people here are pro-legalization of pot, how many are pro legalization of everything, and how many are drug warriors.
I might consider legalizing everything because if there is a wr on drugs, we're losing it. What causes me pause is that some drugs are much more harmful than others, and we all suffer from the results of that harm. It is never limited to just the user.
I want to get a feel for many people here are pro-legalization of pot, how many are pro legalization of everything, and how many are drug warriors.
I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.
People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
Also I think the government should offer a clean alternative for people going through withdrawal.
I disagree. We've all known plenty of alcoholics who held down good jobs for years. Heavy pot users though are generally useless. This isn't just my prejudice. Alcohol is water soluble and a healthy person generally metabolizes it fairly quickly. THC is fat soluble and takes much longer to be filtered out of a healthy body. Heavy pot users often tend to be constantly impaired, while most alcoholics can be quite functional, even successful for much of their day.
People rarely seem to consider the great desirability to the ruling class of an electorate that is largely mentally impaired, and what that means to the electorate itself.
I kind of agree with that and I kind of don't. Methadone programs get abused quite a bit.
I'm sorry but you just have no idea of what you are talking about. No idea what so ever.
You should watch Dr. Sanjay Gupta's special on CNN. He is a person that was just as ignorant on the subject as you are but then he decided to truly investigate.
Everyone that either knows a heavy pot smoker or has been one, all will tell you that the impairing effect for them is essentially zero.
The driving test on Dr. Gupta's investigative show also proved this.
Heavy smokers driving ability was hardly affected. Whereas the moderate or light smoker's driving ability was clearly affected.
He reached the conclusion that heavy medical marijuana users might should be exempted for laws concerning operating a vehicle while under the effects of marijuana.
I can tell you for an absolute fact, that I would hire a heavy smoker over a drinker any day. And I would not hesitate to send them up a 40 foot ladder.
If I even so much as suspect they have had 1 drink, I will send them home or keep them on the ground.
The pot smokers come to work and stay at work. They stay focused.
The alcoholics miss work, want to leave early, and wander off.
When I find a painter hiding in a closet taking a nap, it is almost always a drinker.
The impairment effect on someone that is a casual smoker is noticeable though. And could be a really big problem on dangerous job sites.
This is also why people such as you, that have tried it once or twice, end up thinking it is an impairing drug. Logic would indicate that the more you smoke, the more impaired the person would be. And so your mind becomes set and hardened and you think you are right.
But you are not right. You are very wrong.
Finally a respectable Dr. such as Gupta has proven this as a fact.
Alcohol is one of the very few drugs in which death is a symptom of withdraw. And alcoholism is exceptionally destructive to both the victim and to his family. It leads to violence, abuse, betrayal, heart-break, prison, insanity and death. I still wouldn't want to outlaw it, because that would only create even more gang crime, but claiming that alcoholism is less destructive than a pot habit is greatly underestimating the destructive effects of alcoholism.
I didn't claim that alcoholism is less destructive than pot use. But I do believe that were heavy pot use as common as heavy alcohol use, the cost would be greater to society as a whole than alcohol use.
There are many reasons for this. One of the most important as I've said, is that constant heavy users tend to be constantly impaired. They also vote.
I've seen way too many people who I knew spent most evenings and weekends drunk but held down high skill jobs for years and provided for their families, and too many pot head mothers that forget to feed, wash or dress the kids and who lived on Public Assistance to think otherwise.
I ask you to reconsider, but this time, consider the effect not so much on the user, but the larger community he operates in.
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