MaggieD
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Why would you exclude educators with Master and PHD degrees? I already did show this in my link to the census data. Perhaps you should actually read it this time.
Hello? Catawba?? Tell me what the average Wisconsin teacher with a Master's or a PhD makes and we can have a discussion about it.
It was included in the total average for educators in Wisconsin - approximately $50,000.
Wisconsin Myths and Facts - Matthew Shaffer - National Review OnlineFACT: Wisconsin teachers are paid an average salary of $51,000. Annualized to account for their 180-day work year, that’s $68,000, and that is in addition to their very fine benefits, pensions, and job security. The median household income — that is, total household income, including households with two or more earners — was $49,993 in 2009 in Wisconsin. Therefore, after adjusting for the different work years — and not including teachers’ unusually generous benefits — a typical single Wisconsin teacher earns 36 percent more than the typical Wisconsin home.
No, it was not. Those with advanced degrees were figured in the average, but the average does not reflect the average of those teachers with advanced degrees -- it reflects the average of all teachers...advanced degree or no.
Here's something else I found:
Wisconsin Myths and Facts - Matthew Shaffer - National Review Online
Give it up, Catawba. Just give it up.
I'd say your source is biased:
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FACT: Wisconsin teachers are paid an average salary of $51,000. Annualized to account for their 180-day work year, that’s $68,000, and that is in addition to their very fine benefits, pensions, and job security. The median household income — that is, total household income, including households with two or more earners — was $49,993 in 2009 in Wisconsin. Therefore, after adjusting for the different work years — and not including teachers’ unusually generous benefits — a typical single Wisconsin teacher earns 36 percent more than the typical Wisconsin home.
I see your point. However, just because a source has the possibility of being biased, doesn't mean everything it prints is untrue....
FACT: Wisconsin teachers are paid an average salary of $51,000. Annualized to account for their 180-day work year, that’s $68,000, and that is in addition to their very fine benefits, pensions, and job security. The median household income — that is, total household income, including households with two or more earners — was $49,993 in 2009 in Wisconsin. Therefore, after adjusting for the different work years — and not including teachers’ unusually generous benefits — a typical single Wisconsin teacher earns 36 percent more than the typical Wisconsin home.
How many times... in lord knows how many threads ... by how many different people ... does the same crap have to be flushed before it stays down?
Please read this so this can be put to rest.
http://www.cows.org/pdf/bp-WIpublicsectorcompensation.pdf
This is just another source on the internet, Haymarket. I know you think it should be taken as be-all-end-all, but quite obviously, it isn't. Stop trying to tell us that cows is another way to spell god.
Maggie - be honest here please. This is the study you attempted to blast because you found fault with it. Then you admitted they were right. So what is wrong with it now?
We aren't talking about Masters and PhD degrees. We're talking about the average of Wisconsin teachers' salaries across the board. You have absolutely no reference to what a Wisconsin teacher with a MA or PhD earns. If you do, post it up. You can't just make stuff up to fit your opinion, Catawba.
Edit: As to Wiki referencing the U.S. Census Bureau, then, my friend, you should have, too. Wiki is inherently unreliable. Could have been written by a Wisconsin teacher. ;-)
It was included in the total average for educators in Wisconsin - approximately $50,000.
Perhaps I can help Maggie.:2wave:
Public and private pay comparison by education in Wisconsin,
Unadjusted for other variables
High school, private sector = 47,469 Public sector= 46,213
Some college, private sector = 50,324 Public sector=46,707
Associate’s, private sector = 59,043 public sector= 56,561
Bachelor’s private sector = 82,134 public sector= 61,668
Professional degree private sector = 225,644 public sector=143,569
Masters private sector = 100,296 public sector= 74,056
Doctorate private sector= 128,306 public sector=91,623
Perhaps you are just behind the curve here on this thread, Donc. 'Cause I know how much time it took to make your post. Further up this thread, you'll see a link to the U.S. Census Bureau that blows your numbers out of the water. (I think it's this thread....it's one of 'em....)
I guess i will have to go take a peek at it, in the mean time check this link and see what you think of it.
Oh, by the way, if i happen to stumble over some other government data,on my meandering thru the internet's that refutes your position; would you finally admit that you were wrong? :2wave:
Well, of course, it would depend on the data. But I'm not one who can't admit I'm wrong...
Don't forget to take their bennies into account. The public sector has some of the finest pension plans on the planet. If you show me with government data that shows that Wisconsin public school teachers are underpaid as compared to their educational equivalents in the private sector, taking into account the difference in hours and their benefits, I will admit I am wrong about that.
I think you have your work cut out for you; mainly because the school teacher data is very difficult to come by. It is not easily available to the public.
Edit: Oh, by the way, I hate "Oh, by the ways." Makes me think you're going to slam me with a link as soon as I post. :rofl
Perhaps I can help Maggie.:2wave:
Public and private pay comparison by education in Wisconsin,
Unadjusted for other variables
High school, private sector = 47,469 Public sector= 46,213
Some college, private sector = 50,324 Public sector=46,707
Associate’s, private sector = 59,043 public sector= 56,561
Bachelor’s private sector = 82,134 public sector= 61,668
Professional degree private sector = 225,644 public sector=143,569
Masters private sector = 100,296 public sector= 74,056
Doctorate private sector= 128,306 public sector=91,623
It has just been announced republican state sen Dale Schultz no longer backing bill according to a tweet i just got.Hope its true
This means nothing if you do not look at each career field.
No-no-no. I called the study out because it said the pension plan was in great shape....and later found I was incorrect. Haymarket, I can do the math myself -- from U.S. Census Data. And I did it above. Jeffrey Keefe has concluded (if you click on his report) that public sector employees throughout the country are underpaid when compared to the private sector. How could anyone believe that? Where is the methodology? Where are links to US Census Bureau Data?
I'm not buying it. Doesn't pass the MaggieD Test. Sorry.
"a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
ouch that is sort of a serious bitch slap on some of the "citations" we have seen thrown arond
Written by someone who would know having been on the receiving of many a bitch slap right here on these pages.
Still waiting for a response to what is preventing Federal Public Union employees from having the same rights as Wisconsin public union employees. I wouldn't be talking about someone else being bitch slapped. Looks to me like Turtle has handled you quite well.
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