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[W:973] Put a Fork in American Christianity

Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

I believe Jesus over-rules you...lol...I have yet seen you back up anything you say with scripture so until you do, pardon me if I dismiss what you have to say...

"Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads." Revelation 14:1

The old 144,000!

I remember when the JW's taught that the 144,000 were all JW's. UNTIL, the number of JW's on earth surpassed that number.

Then the Watchtower - the PROPHET - had to revise and change it's teaching on that. The JW Watchtower Prophet is a false prophet.
 
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None in the New Testament either. It is not mentioned in the Bible at all.

Also, Jesus would not cry out to himself from the cross, I don't think. As God, he would have known in advance what was happening and why.
 
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Not in pro-Christian homes who raise their kids to be believers.

So, you're busted again!

Why, I know a number of atheists that come from pro-Christian homes who raised their kids to be believers. That is the major source of many atheists in American society.
 
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Portrait of a rabidly anti Christian Democrat, or perhaps of a conservative Republican:

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President Carter does not share the rabid TDS of the Democrat Party.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

Why, I know a number of atheists that come from pro-Christian homes who raised their kids to be believers. That is the major source of many atheists in American society.

Like I said, none in pro-Christian homes who raise their kids to be believers.
 
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Also, Jesus would not cry out to himself from the cross, I don't think. As God, he would have known in advance what was happening and why.

He knew what was going to happen. What he said is in the "Crucifixion Chapter" that is the 22nd Psalm.

What may have surprised him was the weight of the sins of the world suddenly on his shoulders and the degree to which the Father had forsaken him at that moment. That had never happened to him before.

And he did it for people like you, Dox, if you will trade in your skeptic's cloak for the robe of righteousness of Christ.

Did you know the 'robe of righteousness' is depicted in at least one of Jesus' parables? Are you that deep in your understanding of what Jesus taught yet? I can show that to you if you want.
 
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Where are stiff-necked Christ-deniers born?

Cultures change. Our collective wisdom and knowledge increases in time over our ancestors. Only the open minded are open to such change. A few thousand years ago, the idea of the Earth being only 6000 years old and having been created in 6 days sounded like a reasonable idea. Nowadays, not so much. We know too much. Well, at least some of us.
 
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He knew what was going to happen. What he said is in the "Crucifixion Chapter" that is the 22nd Psalm.

What may have surprised him was the weight of the sins of the world suddenly on his shoulders and the degree to which the Father had forsaken him at that moment. That had never happened to him before.

And he did it for people like you, Dox, if you will trade in your skeptic's cloak for the robe of righteousness of Christ.

Did you know the 'robe of righteousness' is depicted in at least one of Jesus' parables? Are you that deep in your understanding of what Jesus taught yet? I can show that to you if you want.

Okay. I always thought that Psalm was a poetic rendering, what with the Unicorns and all.

So, that Psalm is a transcript of Jesus speaking from the cross???
 
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As opposed to voting for a lying, greedy, corrupt, immoral, left-wing, incompetent, cellulite-infested, walking gas bag, Hillary Clinton?

Clinton wouldn't have placed two conservative justices on the Supreme Court. Trump did. AND YOU LIBERALS DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT, LOL!

OK, maybe. But you are still voting for a deeply vulgar and immoral man to run your country. I am pretty sure Jesus would have been appalled. Even if it is shockingly insulting and offensive to liberals.

And since when did having cellulite become a sin? And how did you find out she has it? :lamo
 
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Not in pro-Christian homes who raise their kids to be believers.

So, you're busted again!

Yes. You really must be indoctrinated into this stuff from a very young and impressionable age, at least before age 5 or so. After that, the idea of virgin births and resurrections of the dead sound too much like all the other fairy tales which are not to be taken seriously, like pumpkins turning into carriages or something.
 
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Okay. I always thought that Psalm was a poetic rendering, what with the Unicorns and all.

So, that Psalm is a transcript of Jesus speaking from the cross???

In the case of "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (verse 1a, Psalm 22), yes.

Here's that Parable of the Wedding Feast for you:

Understanding the parable of the Wedding Feast - Matthew 22:1-14

“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...(see Matthew 22:1-14)

In this Parable:

1. The King = God the Father
2. The Son = God the Son, Jesus Christ
3. The first group that was invited = The Israelites who declined
4. The second group that was invited = The Gentiles and those Jews who accepted
5. The servants = those who preach the Gospel of Christ’s salvation, or simply just God’s servants.

Explanation of the Parable:

God’s chosen people, the Jews, were the first to receive the invitation to receive their Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whom they mostly rejected. The Wedding / Gospel invitation was then given to others (the gentiles – note Romans 1:16, etc.). In short, everyone had received an invitation, but not everyone accepted the invitation.

Note that the Book of Revelation describes a future marriage of the Lamb and His Bride (Revelation 19).

The guest who was not arrayed in the proper wedding attire was one who had declined God’s gift of salvation and righteousness – a robe of righteousness that comes not from man, but from God only:

Isaiah 61:10, I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Note that in Genesis 15:6, this righteousness comes through faith in God: Abram believed (had faith in) the Lord, and it was credited to him as righteousness.� Also note Ephesians 2:8-9 in the New Testament.

Believers are covered with God’s garment of righteousness / salvation. When God looks at the repentant sinner He does not see the filthy attire of sin anymore, but the robe of righteousness obtained by faith in Christ’s perfect obedience to the law. There are none righteous apart from this God-given righteousness.

A perfect example that this righteousness is not obtained by man’s own inherent “goodness” is found in Zechariah chapter 3:

3 Now Joshua was dressed in filthy clothes as he stood before the angel. 4 The angel said to those who were standing before him, “Take off his filthy clothes.” Then he said to Joshua, “See, I have taken away your sin, and I will put rich garments on you.”

Filthy clothes = sin in the above scripture, while a robe of righteousness = a garment of salvation / righteousness (Isaiah 61:10}.

From the New Testament we find:

Romans 13:14 – Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ…
Philippians 3:9 – not having a righteousness of my own that comes from (keeping ) the law, but that which is through faith in Christ…

Also note that in Matthew 22:10 – the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Here we see the illustration of those gathered off the streets – people who may well have not been able to afford special wedding garments on such short notice. Also note that those gathered were both “good and bad,” so that the invitation was not based on works alone, otherwise just the “good” would have been invited. So the wedding garments – the garments of salvation – were God’s gift to those who accepted the invitation to the Son’s (Christ’s) wedding to his bride – his church of true believers.

In the end, those without the God / Christ-given robe of righteousness / salvation were cast into the outer darkness, where there is weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

https://righterreport.com/2012/08/06/the-parable-of-the-wedding-feast/
 
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Like I said, none in pro-Christian homes who raise their kids to be believers.

Ah, the 'no true Scotsman fallacy.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

Yes. You really must be indoctrinated into this stuff from a very young and impressionable age, at least before age 5 or so. After that, the idea of virgin births and resurrections of the dead sound too much like all the other fairy tales which are not to be taken seriously, like pumpkins turning into carriages or something.

Still waiting for one of you "fairy tale" claimants to back up your hot air ramblings with some actual evidence.

In the meantime, I have some recommended reading for those who also have GREAT FAITH - atheists.

Norman Geisler.webp
 
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Still waiting for one of you "fairy tale" claimants to back up your hot air ramblings with some actual evidence.

In the meantime, I have some recommended reading for those who also have GREAT FAITH - atheists.

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Evidence for what? Something not existing?

I'll do that once you show me some evidence that Santa doesn't live in the North Pole.:lamo
 
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The old 144,000!

I remember when the JW's taught that the 144,000 were all JW's. UNTIL, the number of JW's on earth surpassed that number.

Then the Watchtower - the PROPHET - had to revise and change it's teaching on that. The JW Watchtower Prophet is a false prophet.

Wrong....

Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)”​—February 15, 1981, page 19.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101993201?q=predictions&p=par
 
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Also, Jesus would not cry out to himself from the cross, I don't think. As God, he would have known in advance what was happening and why.

Jesus knew what would happen to him because of prophecy...his desire was to fulfill that prophecy til his death, proving his loyalty to his Heavenly Father, Jehovah God...

The Messiah would seem forsaken by God. (Read Psalm 22:1.) In accord with prophecy, “at the ninth hour [about three o’clock in the afternoon] Jesus called out with a loud voice: ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ which means, when translated: ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’” (Mark 15:34) Jesus had not lost faith in his heavenly Father. God abandoned Jesus to his enemies by taking away His protection so that Christ’s integrity might be fully tested. And by crying out as he did, Jesus fulfilled Psalm 22:1.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011606#h=22:0-22:519

Which is another refute of the trinity...Jesus would have no one to be loyal to or to prove himself to if he was God...his sacrifice would mean nothing...
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

No, he was a dictator and a socialist.

A dictator and socialist who freed his nation from colonial rule without firing a shot.

Oh, and Hindu. Not a Christian. I guess he's a lost soul.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

I believe Jesus over-rules you...lol...I have yet seen you back up anything you say with scripture so until you do, pardon me if I dismiss what you have to say...

"Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads." Revelation 14:1

Si you really think they are the only ones, eh?
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

OK, maybe. But you are still voting for a deeply vulgar and immoral man to run your country. I am pretty sure Jesus would have been appalled. Even if it is shockingly insulting and offensive to liberals.

And since when did having cellulite become a sin? And how did you find out she has it? :lamo

Let he who has no "cellulite" cast the first stone. We've elected plenty of cellulite to the White House this time.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

The old 144,000!

I remember when the JW's taught that the 144,000 were all JW's. UNTIL, the number of JW's on earth surpassed that number.

Then the Watchtower - the PROPHET - had to revise and change it's teaching on that. The JW Watchtower Prophet is a false prophet.

Maybe they figure there will be a purge among the Jehova's Witnesses.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

Cultures change. Our collective wisdom and knowledge increases in time over our ancestors. Only the open minded are open to such change. A few thousand years ago, the idea of the Earth being only 6000 years old and having been created in 6 days sounded like a reasonable idea. Nowadays, not so much. We know too much. Well, at least some of us.

Where in the Bible does it say the Earth is 6000 years old?
 
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