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[W:973] Put a Fork in American Christianity

Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

It is much like the members of a body, as Paul pointed out...each member has its purpose, which in no way demeans another member...hands are different from feet but both have a purposeful use to the body...



https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001945

It allows her full and Scriptural freedom to serve in her place
as long as her place is subservient to the male.

That's all well and good, as long as that's how women want it to be.
 
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They are. They believe the teachings of Christ, who has described himself as The Son, and who refers to The Holy Spirit as a separate entity, and who prays to The Father as if he were a separate entity. They are all part of the godhead. Even Jesus Christ says to pray to The Father, not to himself.

Christ often referred to himself and The Father as one in purpose. He also describes the Holy Spirit as one in purpose with them. It's His way of saying that the Message is the same, whether is comes directly from The Father, or by himself, or by the Holy Spirit.

Seems to stretch the definition of monotheism a bit, but whatever. What difference does it really make if Christians are monotheistic or not? Many of the world's religions are polytheistic after all.
 
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Still just cutting and pasting. You still have presented no argument. What is YOUR argument?

I don't sit around and make up things as you do...I use the Bible to back up what I believe...don't like it...don't read or respond to it...
 
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The Big Bang is based on observations.
No one has ever observed the Big Bang itself. No theory is based on supporting evidence. There is nothing yet to support!
It is a very sophisticated scientific theory
It is a simple theory. It states the universe originated from a single point source. It is not a theory of science. It is a nonscientific theory. It is not falsifiable.
based on numerous observations,
Supporting evidence is not used in science.
like the cosmic microwave background radiation,
Could come from anywhere. Most people ascribe them to the Theory of the Big Bang.
the Hubble red shift,
Hubble has both blue shift and red shift. It is orbiting the Earth. As it approaches a monitoring station, you will see a blue shift in Hubble.

As far as the 'red shift' of the universe observed in telescopes (not just Hubble), remember that what you are seeing is not the entire universe. There is no reason anything beyond what we see is behaving the same way.
and many others,
Can't think of any more?
and it matches up with several other areas of physics and astronomy as well.
Irrelevant. It is not a falsifiable theory. It is about a past unobserved event. The null hypothesis of this theory cannot be tested.
It is falsifiable
No, it isn't. The only way to test the theory is to go back in time to see what actually happened.
if other observations are ever found which contradict it.
WRONG. The other observations are testing other theories extending from the Theory of the Big Bang, not the Theory of the Big Bang itself.
There have been no such observations yet.
Irrelevant.
Have you ever taken astronomy class or read a book about it?
Yes, I've read the scripture. What about it?
 
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Seems to stretch the definition of monotheism a bit, but whatever. What difference does it really make if Christians are monotheistic or not? Many of the world's religions are polytheistic after all.

Quite true. However, the subject of discussion was about Christianity in particular.
 
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I don't sit around and make up things as you do...I use the Bible to back up what I believe...don't like it...don't read or respond to it...

Evasion. You still have presented no argument. What is YOUR argument?
 
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No one has ever observed the Big Bang itself. No theory is based on supporting evidence. There is nothing yet to support!

It is a simple theory. It states the universe originated from a single point source. It is not a theory of science. It is a nonscientific theory. It is not falsifiable.

Supporting evidence is not used in science.

LOL. You really need to take some science classes. You clearly have no clue how it works. You probably have heard something on some Evangelical youtube video and are repeating it here. No one has directly seen an atom either, let alone an electron or proton. You want to dispute the atomic theory of matter too now?
 
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No I was not...I was talking to DD...pay attention...:roll:

Do you want me to drag up the posts? I really get tired of having to do that to people like you.
 
Re: Put a Fork in American Christianity

LOL. You really need to take some science classes. You clearly have no clue how it works. You probably have heard something on some Evangelical youtube video and are repeating it here. No one has directly seen an atom either, let alone an electron or proton. You want to dispute the atomic theory of matter too now?

No, no need. They ARE theories of science, however. They can be falsified at any time.
 
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Evasion. You still have presented no argument. What is YOUR argument?

Her argument happens to coincide always with the JW's organization arguments. Just like gfm's arguments mirror yours. Yet you don't demand original arguments from gfm. Why is that?
 
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Do you want me to drag up the posts? I really get tired of having to do that to people like you.

I don't give a flyin' flip what cha do...I was talking to DD about tenets, not you...
 
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Her argument happens to coincide always with the JW's organization arguments. Just like gfm's arguments mirror yours. Yet you don't demand original arguments from gfm. Why is that?

He's had his huge ego stroked one time too many and it's gone to his big head...I'm no one of them, either...
 
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Her argument happens to coincide always with the JW's organization arguments. Just like gfm's arguments mirror yours. Yet you don't demand original arguments from gfm. Why is that?

:popcorn2:
 
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RE: Abraham and Isaac


The point here is that blind obedience to external moral authority can lead to some really horrific actions. If you have an internal moral compass, if you can see pain, fear, and suffering in someone else's face and feel something move inside you, you no longer will care whether otherworldly deities exist or what they want.

Would you really try to slit your own son's throat because only God can save you? Is that what it means to be moral in your world? Is the promise of reward of presents in the after-life the only reason you behave yourself?

It's the difference between a little kid who only cleans up his room, bathes regularly, and doesn't pull his little sister's hair just because mommy told him and he is afraid of getting whupped or for the reward of getting presents from Santa at the end of the year, or a more mature adolescent who knows the value of doing or not doing things for their own intrinsic value. Once he matures to that level, he knows right and wrong, regardless of what his mom says. And we all know moms, and otherworldly deities, can sometimes just as easily command some pretty horrific things, as they can to clean up your room. If you blind yourself to you own sense of morality and let others, including supposedly otherworldly deities, guide you around like a blind man, they will sometimes take you down some pretty blind and dangerous alleys. There is no substitute for opening your own eyes and learning to trust them.

Christ pretty well summed up how we are supposed to act toward others. Neither you nor I would even know what good or evil was had not God put that in us.
 
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Its historical accuracy is not important. It's a story meant to teach a moral: and a perfect example of why this model of morality is such an extremely dangerous one and has led to such catastrophic consequences throughout
Deus vult!

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The most catastrophic slaughters in history happened when men rejected God and became their own moral arbiters. Morality became what they said it was which allowed them to commit horrific crimes and justify it in their own minds. The Nazis, Bolsheviks and Red Chinese all showed us graphically what happens when men become their own gods.
 
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A lot of history shows that we do better when we have put aside the story of Abraham and its moral of the story that religion can be any sort of moral compass, and learned to trust our own eyes, ears, and conscience. As limited and fallible as it is, we tend to do better. That's what this country was founded on, after all.

No, the country was founded on secular government with strong protections for religious practices. The founders in no way ignored God as numerous of their writings show.

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Benjamin Rush

“Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”

George Washington
 
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This makes no sense at all. The only thing that gets you to heaven is belief but it isn't. That's what you are saying. You are saying that there are two kinds of belief: one that doesn't impact your actions and one that does. But if your actions exactly match the teachings of jesus you can't get to heaven unless those actions are directly caused by certain beliefs about jesus. So it's more important what is in your head than what you do except what you do shows what is in your head except when it doesn't.

Nice try at making the simple convoluted. If you believe in Christ, you'll try to live as He told us to live. Even you should be able to understand that.
 
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I have no faith in either book. Just pointing out they are not stories about the same god.

You can't "point out" anything about that which you fail to comprehend.
 
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