[W:963][W:#588][W:#502]Transgender swimmer destroying records

[Phys251]

Do you think these performances are legitimate?

This is the issue whe you decide woman no longer means female.

My question wasn't addressed to you, and you didn't answer it.

 

[Phys251]

As is typical with the gender confused, transgender athletes want sports to conform to their “need” instead of the trans athlete respecting the reality of what they have done, and accepting the consequences of their actions. They are not normal and shouldn’t be treated as normal at the sacrifice of the non gender confused. Transgenders are an extremely small percentage of the population and their ”needs” shouldn’t be allowed to dictate changes in other peoples lives. Any adaptations or changes in the general population should be voluntary, and not forced upon us.

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

 

[Aristaeus]

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

Do/should males have a right to compete in female sports? Is that like the 5th amendment or something?

 

[Phys251]

Do/should males have a right to compete in female sports?

"When will you stop beating your wife?"

Is that like the 5th amendment or something?

Your projection is dismissed.

 

[LittleNipper]

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

Do the rights of a convicted criminal count? Are they not treated differently from the rest of the population?

 

[Phys251]

Do the rights of a convicted criminal count? Are they not treated differently from the rest of the population?

I asked first.

 

[LittleNipper]

I asked first.

There are procedures. Example: Not just anybody is simply handed a driver's license, they have to follow rules and regulations and pass tests. A person who has had a sex change operation, actually had plastic surgery and goes through unnatural hormonal treatments. None of this can be considered natural in any sense of the word. People must be informed of their choices; however, rules shouldn't be bent to accommodate a select few. Nothing that is being done to their bodies is a must do. It's a choice. Going into sports is a choice, competing to get into the Olympics is a choice. Privileges are not the same as rights. Being a Olympian is a privilege and not an absolute right. To qualify one must play according to the regulations and cannot make up their own.

 

[Phys251]

There are procedures. Example: Not just anybody is simply handed a driver's license, they have to follow rules and regulations and pass tests. A person who has had a sex change operation, actually had plastic surgery and goes through unnatural hormonal treatments. None of this can be considered natural in any sense of the word.

Stopped reading right there.

Shoes aren't natural, but I'll bet you wear them. Why? Why not go natural and barefoot?

People must be informed of their choices; however, rules shouldn't be bent to accommodate a select few. Nothing that is being done to their bodies is a must do. It's a choice. Going into sports is a choice, competing to get into the Olympics is a choice. Privileges are not the same as rights. Being a Olympian is a privilege and not an absolute right. To qualify one must play according to the regulations and cannot make up their own.

 

[Crunchtime]

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

Not in the sports arena they shouldn’t. No.

 

[Lisa]

There are procedures. Example: Not just anybody is simply handed a driver's license, they have to follow rules and regulations and pass tests. A person who has had a sex change operation, actually had plastic surgery and goes through unnatural hormonal treatments. None of this can be considered natural in any sense of the word. People must be informed of their choices; however, rules shouldn't be bent to accommodate a select few. Nothing that is being done to their bodies is a must do. It's a choice. Going into sports is a choice, competing to get into the Olympics is a choice. Privileges are not the same as rights. Being a Olympian is a privilege and not an absolute right. To qualify one must play according to the regulations and cannot make up their own.

It is very normal for 1% of the population. Do you think that trans people blindly seek HRT and then have GRS without knowing what is involved?
I doubt that you understand the treatment process.


The idea that a CIS male would take HRT for 2 years and then have GRS just to compete as a female is laughably absurd. He would have many mental health problems because of the estrogen and blockers effects on a CIS male brain that was being staved of testosterone. Severe depression is one of them. He would gain +20% body fat, breasts, have no athletic drive, and have muscles that atrophy.

The IOC has rules about transgender competition as their identified gender.

IOC sets new guidance for gender identity policies

The International Olympic Committee on Tuesday announced a new framework for individual international federations to develop their own eligibility criteria for transgender and intersex athlete participation, instead of a blanket policy.

www.espn.com

The NCAA recently released their rules for collegiate transgender competition,

Board of Governors updates transgender participation policy - NCAA.org

The NCAA Board of Governors on Wednesday voted in support of a sport-by-sport approach to transgender participation that preserves opportunity for transgender student-athletes

www.ncaa.org

Do the rights of a convicted criminal count? Are they not treated differently from the rest of the population?

Yes, alleged and convicted criminals have many rights. You should read the Bill of Rights numbers 5-8. They also have free speech and religious rights behind bars.

 

[Phys251]

Not in the sports arena they shouldn’t. No.

^ A very revealing post by you.

 

[Aristaeus]

"When will you stop beating your wife?"



Your projection is dismissed.

Huh? This doesn't even make sense.

You mentioned rights, I just asked if males have a right to compete in female sports. How is that a loaded question?

 

[NatMorton]

Stopped reading right there.

Shoes aren't natural, but I'll bet you wear them. Why? Why not go natural and barefoot?

What an awesomely silly counter argument.

 

[LittleNipper]

It is very normal for 1% of the population. Do you think that trans people blindly seek HRT and then have GRS without knowing what is involved?
I doubt that you understand the treatment process.


The idea that a CIS male would take HRT for 2 years and then have GRS just to compete as a female is laughably absurd. He would have many mental health problems because of the estrogen and blockers effects on a CIS male brain that was being staved of testosterone. Severe depression is one of them. He would gain +20% body fat, breasts, have no athletic drive, and have muscles that atrophy.

The IOC has rules about transgender competition as their identified gender.

IOC sets new guidance for gender identity policies

The International Olympic Committee on Tuesday announced a new framework for individual international federations to develop their own eligibility criteria for transgender and intersex athlete participation, instead of a blanket policy.

www.espn.com

The NCAA recently released their rules for collegiate transgender competition,

Board of Governors updates transgender participation policy - NCAA.org

The NCAA Board of Governors on Wednesday voted in support of a sport-by-sport approach to transgender participation that preserves opportunity for transgender student-athletes

www.ncaa.org

Yes, alleged and convicted criminals have many rights. You should read the Bill of Rights numbers 5-8. They also have free speech and religious rights behind bars.

It isn't the point. The point is that once one has such procedures they have been unnaturally altered, and should not be allowed to compete in sports where awards are at stake based on one's NATURAL ABILITIES. Hormone treatments and gender altering surgery of any sort ends one's career chance to compete fairly in sports where one's NATURAL ABILITIES are being measured. If a man wishes to be a woman, or a woman wishes to be a man ---- if that is their primary objective, it should be understood that their choice is going to exclude them from what they might have accomplished had they remained as they were born.
There is a very old and wise saying, "You can't have you cake and eat it too."

 

[Crunchtime]

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

Not at the expense of other peoples rights. That’s simple logic.

 

[bubbabgone]

So if a group of people are a small enough percentage of the population, their rights don't count?

Ya know, if you really want to break some records you can identify as someone with an intellectual disability and compete in the Special Olympics because you think you're disabled.
There should be nothing to prevent you from competing, right?
It'd be your right? Right? Your right counts.

 

[NatMorton]

Ya know, if you really want to break some records you can identify as someone with an intellectual disability and compete in the Special Olympics because you think you're disabled.

What an absolutely terrific comparison. Well stated.

 

[Crunchtime]

It is very normal for 1% of the population. Do you think that trans people blindly seek HRT and then have GRS without knowing what is involved?
I doubt that you understand the treatment process.


The idea that a CIS male would take HRT for 2 years and then have GRS just to compete as a female is laughably absurd. He would have many mental health problems because of the estrogen and blockers effects on a CIS male brain that was being staved of testosterone. Severe depression is one of them. He would gain +20% body fat, breasts, have no athletic drive, and have muscles that atrophy.

The IOC has rules about transgender competition as their identified gender.

IOC sets new guidance for gender identity policies

The International Olympic Committee on Tuesday announced a new framework for individual international federations to develop their own eligibility criteria for transgender and intersex athlete participation, instead of a blanket policy.

www.espn.com

The NCAA recently released their rules for collegiate transgender competition,

Board of Governors updates transgender participation policy - NCAA.org

The NCAA Board of Governors on Wednesday voted in support of a sport-by-sport approach to transgender participation that preserves opportunity for transgender student-athletes

www.ncaa.org

Yes, alleged and convicted criminals have many rights. You should read the Bill of Rights numbers 5-8. They also have free speech and religious rights behind bars.

ou know all this CIS and GRT crap or what other initials you want to give it doesn’t mean much in the real world. Just because you folks want to make stuff up for people who refuse to live in the real world doesn’t mean normal people have to co exist. Most of us are tired of your lousy excuses. Get a grip will you?

 

[Phys251]

Ya know, if you really want to break some records you can identify as someone with an intellectual disability and compete in the Special Olympics because you think you're disabled.
There should be nothing to prevent you from competing, right?
It'd be your right? Right? Your right counts.

You're comparing cis women to disabled people. OK then.

 

[Phys251]

ou know all this CIS and GRT crap or what other initials you want to give it doesn’t mean much in the real world. Just because you folks want to make stuff up for people who refuse to live in the real world doesn’t mean normal people have to co exist. Most of us are tired of your lousy excuses. Get a grip will you?

What an angry post. There's room on this planet for all of us, not just those of us you like.

 

[Lisa]

ou know all this CIS and GRT crap or what other initials you want to give it doesn’t mean much in the real world. Just because you folks want to make stuff up for people who refuse to live in the real world doesn’t mean normal people have to co exist. Most of us are tired of your lousy excuses. Get a grip will you?

If you have a problem with CISgender so you also have a problem when someone calls you heterosexual?

HRT is an acronym for hormone replacement therapy, which for male-to-female trans is estrogen/estradiol and some sort of blocker such as Spirololactone or occasionally finasteride.

Are those ideas or words overly complicated for you?

It isn't the point. The point is that once one has such procedures they have been unnaturally altered, and should not be allowed to compete in sports where awards are at stake based on one's NATURAL ABILITIES. Hormone treatments and gender altering surgery of any sort ends one's career chance to compete fairly in sports where one's NATURAL ABILITIES are being measured. If a man wishes to be a woman, or a woman wishes to be a man ---- if that is their primary objective, it should be understood that their choice is going to exclude them from what they might have accomplished had they remained as they were born.
There is a very old and wise saying, "You can't have you cake and eat it too."

1.) Who told you that unmediated trans people would complete as their identified gender? Is this part of some super-duper secret trans agenda or is this an addendum to the already secret gay agenda that conservatives have been claiming exists since the 1960s? Have you ever considered a career writing fiction? You seem to have a gift for it.

 

[buck]

Are those ideas or words overly complicated for you?

This cracks me up. You act as if you are better than him, yet i had to teach you so many words on the subject. Im still not sure you understand them. Lol

 

[Lisa]

This cracks me up. You act as if you are better than him, yet i had to teach you so many words on the subject. Im still not sure you understand them. Lol

What exactly did you teach me?

 

[Crunchtime]

If you have a problem with CISgender so you also have a problem when someone calls you heterosexual?

HRT is an acronym for hormone replacement therapy, which for male-to-female trans is estrogen/estradiol and some sort of blocker such as Spirololactone or occasionally finasteride.

Are those ideas or words overly complicated for you?


1.) Who told you that unmediated trans people would complete as their identified gender? Is this part of some super-duper secret trans agenda or is this an addendum to the already secret gay agenda that conservatives have been claiming exists since the 1960s? Have you ever considered a career writing fiction? You seem to have a gift for it.

How did the world exist without these labels for so long? I’ve been heterosexual all my life. I have never needed your help or anyone else’s with that. I’m a man. Imperfect but safe and secure in my identity.

I understand more than you might think. What people like you see as progress most people see as a return to Sodom and Gomorrah. Sexual perversion should never be acceptable neither glorified, but folks like you are never satisfied until you’ve upset the Apple cart in some way.

Understand this. There will be serious consequences facing you and this perverted agenda that you call science, and have decided to support. You are making a grave mistake. I hope you come to your senses.

 

[Lisa]

How did the world exist without these labels for so long? I’ve been heterosexual all my life. I have never needed your help or anyone else’s with that. I’m a man. Imperfect but safe and secure in my identity.

I understand more than you might think. What people like you see as progress most people see as a return to Sodom and Gomorrah. Sexual perversion should never be acceptable neither glorified, but folks like you are never satisfied until you’ve upset the Apple cart in some way.

Understand this. There will be serious consequences facing you and this perverted agenda that you call science, and have decided to support. You are making a grave mistake. I hope you come to your senses.

Do the terms heterosexual and homosexual offend you? If they didn't offend you then why do the terms CISgender and transgender offend you? What are the terms bisexual and non-binary? Are they also offensive? Would you prefer that we are kept ignorant of human sexuality because of your opposition to understanding why and who we are the way we are? The Bible says that your omniscient and omnipotent God made us the way we are, so who are you to oppose what he knowingly created?

Sodom and Gomorrah are a myth.

The scientific method is not perverted, despite what you want to believe. I do not believe in either heaven or hell because there is nothing factual to even suggest that they exist outside of bible parables.