[W:963] The Complete Moderate's Guide to Gun Control

[Bum]

That law is nothing but a legal tool to facilitate the draft. There is no such "unorganized militia".

But, it is the law, and yes, the unorganized militia does exist......unless you can show us all here where it has been repealed?

 

[Wayne Jr]

You are either personally murdering anti-gun politicians right now or you don't actualy believe there is a right to keep and bear arms. It's that clear-cut. It's that simple. This forum is full of liers.

 

[Wayne Jr]

But, it is the law, and yes, the unorganized militia does exist......unless you can show us all here where it has been repealed?

The law exists as a tool to facilitate the draft. Nothing more. The "unorganized militia" has never deployed, does not drill, has never been called to muster, has no budget, no facilities, no training curriculum, no symbols, no membership roster, no chain of command..... It doesn't exist, which is exactly what "un" means.

 

[Bum]

The law exists as a tool to facilitate the draft. Nothing more. The "unorganized militia" has never deployed, does not drill, has never been called to muster, has no budget, no facilities, no training curriculum, no symbols, no membership roster, to chain of command..... It doesn't exist which is exactly what "un" means.

Really?

The reserve militia[edit]
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve militia, also known as the unorganized militia (10 USC). Able bodied men who are not eligible for inclusion in the reserve militia pool are those aliens not having declared their intent to become citizens of the United States (10 USC 246) and former regular component veterans of the armed forces who have reached the age of 64 (32 USC 313). All female citizens who are members of National Guard units are also included in the reserve militia pool (10 U.S.C. § 246).

So all of us retired Veterans and females listed above that have not yet hit our 64th Birthdays do not exist?


Are you aware that the Federal Government does maintain a list of us, and this Section can be used for notification to recall? Voluntary and involuntary?

Do you further understand that the unorganized militia is the manpower ( apologies ladies, its a term in general) tool used for the draft, and everyone listed in the above age groups is subject to draft under selective service?

Are you still telling us that none of this exists?

Those millions of soldiers drafted prior to 1973 never received training?

How does selective service operate without a budget?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Really?

The reserve militia[edit]
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve militia, also known as the unorganized militia (10 USC). Able bodied men who are not eligible for inclusion in the reserve militia pool are those aliens not having declared their intent to become citizens of the United States (10 USC 246) and former regular component veterans of the armed forces who have reached the age of 64 (32 USC 313). All female citizens who are members of National Guard units are also included in the reserve militia pool (10 U.S.C. § 246).

So all of us retired Veterans and females listed above that have not yet hit our 64th Birthdays do not exist?


Are you aware that the Federal Government does maintain a list of us, and this Section can be used for notification to recall? Voluntary and involuntary?

Do you further understand that the unorganized militia is the manpower ( apologies ladies, its a term in general) tool used for the draft, and everyone listed in the above age groups is subject to draft under selective service?

Are you still telling us that none of this exists?

Those millions of soldiers drafted prior to 1973 never received training?

How does selective service operate without a budget?

That's the draft of civilians into the military, not a call for the militia to muster. Nice try though. You just proved my point, that that law is nothing but a legal tool to facilitate the draft.

 

[Bum]

That's the draft of civilians into the military, not a call for the militia to muster. Nice try though. You just proved my point, that that law is nothing but a legal tool to facilitate the draft.

You said it was a call to muster, I didn't....I said it was the law of the land; ergo, the unorganized militia does exist.

You predicated your argument on the "Its a relic law" premise....which in no way invalidates it as a law.

The draft is the calling up of unorganized militia.

 

[Wayne Jr]

You said it was a call to muster, I didn't....I said it was the law of the land; ergo, the unorganized militia does exist.

You predicated your argument on the "Its a relic law" premise....which in no way invalidates it as a law.

The draft is the calling up of the unorganized militia.

The draft is not a call to muster. No militia was sent to Vietnam, and they didn't use personally owned firearms anyway. Try again.

 

[Bum]

The draft is not a call to muster. Try again.

The reserve militia[edit]
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve militia, also known as the unorganized militia (10 USC).


Huh....."called up into military service".


What do you think that entails? Training? Drills?

 

[Wayne Jr]

The reserve militia[edit]
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve militia, also known as the unorganized militia (10 USC).


Huh....."called up into military service".


What do you think that entails? Training? Drills?

They reported to the Federal Army and Federal Marine Corps, not any militia.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The reserve militia[edit]
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve militia, also known as the unorganized militia (10 USC).


Huh....."called up into military service".


What do you think that entails? Training? Drills?

Back in the day when the call to muster was sounded, the people did not report for federal service. They reported for militia service and served under militia officers under militia orders. The draft was not a call to muster, the draft was a draft and individuals reported for Federal, not militia, service.

Sorry to pop your mall-ninja bubble but your tacticool AR15 with the Punisher logo is going to sit at home while you're away on Federal orders.

 

[Bum]

They reported to the Federal Army and Federal Marine Corps, not any militia.

They are the militia.....a point you keep ignoring.


The point of the unorganized militia is to serve as a pool of manpower for the Armed Services in time of need.....but you know this, and I suspect you are choosing to be deliberately obtuse and attempting to play circular word games.

 

[Wayne Jr]

They are the militia.....a point you keep ignoring.

Title 10 service is not Title 32 service, a point you keep ignoring.

The point of the law you reference is indeed to facilitate a pool of manpower. We agree on that as if it were a matter of opinion in the first place. It is not militia service, however. The draft is ALWAYS Federal service. There is no such "unorganized militia". There IS a Selective Service, which is a FEDERAL regestery.

And you never need to bring your personal firearms to it.

 

[Bum]

Back in the day when the call to muster was sounded, the people did not report for federal service. They reported for militia service and served under militia officers under militia orders. The draft was not a call to muster, the draft was a draft and individuals reported for Federal, not militia, service.

Sorry to pop your mall-ninja bubble but your tacticool AR15 with the Punisher logo is going to sit at home while you're away on Federal orders.

We dont carry AR 15's......those are for civilians.

We do carry M4's and such, and yes, I do have a really nice Punisher morale patch on my body armor.....but I fail to see what either of those items has to do with the above conversation.

 

[Bum]

Title 10 service is not Title 32 service, a point you keep ignoring.

And Title 32 service has nothing to do with the unorganized militia......the unorganized militia is the pool that is used to fill Title 10; you keep getting hung up on the militia word without understanding its actual definition under Title 10.

 

[Wayne Jr]

We dont carry AR 15's......those are for civilians.

We do carry M4's and such, and yes, I do have a really nice Punisher morale patch on my body armor.....but I fail to see what either of those items has to do with the above conversation.

Militia ARE civilians, that's what makes them militia and not military. And your Punisher patch removes any credibility you hope to have.

Title 10 is not militia. Title32 IS militia. Nice try tho. No one was ever drafted under Title 32. Please do pro-gun a favor and just STFU at this point, you're making gun rights supporters look bad and we in Ohio are trying to get some policy passed.

 

[Bum]

Militia ARE civilians, that's what makes them militia and not military. And your Punisher patch removes any credibility you hope to have.

Yes, militia are civilians ; now you are getting it.....all US civilians that are citizens are defined as unorganized militia that can be called up to service under Title 10.

Thats not so hard.

And dont knock my Punisher patch...it looks great next to my Hello Kitty patch......neither of which have anything to do with my credibility of the law that you refuse to aknowledge, or the legal definitions of militia under said law.

What does a Velcro patch have to do with the laws?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Y.....all US civilians that are citizens are defined as unorganized militia that can be called up to service under Title 10.

That, also, is not true. The very law you even quoted says so, in the very portion you quoted.

People like you are why we will lose our right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Bum]

That, also, is not true.

Really?

Title 10 USC and the Second militia Act have been repealed??

Please show us the citation.

I'm going to have Turkey dinner right now.....I'll be back shortly to read the provided citation.

The folks over here will roll through the chow hall like locusts if I dont get in there quick.

 

[Bum]

That, also, is not true. The very law you even quoted says so, in the very portion you quoted.

People like you are why we will lose our right to keep and bear arms.

Oh, do tell......which part of the law quoted states that citizens do not comprise the militia? Which part of the law states that the unorganized militia cannot be called up for service in the Armed forces?

And I am not sure how my literacy and reading comprehension will cause the downfall of the Second Amendment; perhaps you can elaborate......after all, I didn't write the laws, I just read them.

 

[Rucker61]

Really?

Title 10 USC and the Second militia Act have been repealed??

Please show us the citation.

I'm going to have Turkey dinner right now.....I'll be back shortly to read the provided citation.

The folks over here will roll through the chow hall like locusts if I dont get in there quick.

Neither 10 USC 246 nor the 2nd Militia Act include all citizens in the definition of "militia". Enjoy your dinner.

 

[Bum]

Neither 10 USC 246 nor the 2nd Militia Act include all citizens in the definition of "militia". Enjoy your dinner.

If you are referring to those that fall under or over the age limitations, or those specifically identified as exempt ( certain occupations and politicians) then you are correct.

 

[Rucker61]

If you are referring to those that fall under or over the age limitations, or those specifically identified as exempt ( certain occupations and politicians) then you are correct.

I am. Any claim that all citizens are in the militia is not supported by current law.

 

[TurtleDude]

That's a social contract subject to human revision, not empirical actual fact. Ultimately there are no rights. Not actually, like gravity which exerts force on you whether you believe in it or not. When it comes to "tHe LaWs Of NaTuRe AnD oF NaTuRe'S GoD" you only get what you are willing to commit acts of violence for. You only have a right to keep and bear arms for as long as you, yourself, "Turtledude", are willing to kill enemies of your "right". Not vote them out of office, but literaly kill. You, "Turtledude", using your own sidearm to put a bullet in their chest cavity and cause their heart to stop and then accepting life in prison.

If you, Turtle, are not actually presently actively murdering heads of state for otherwise "legal" bans, then you have no such right. You have surrendered your right. You are either presently murdering anti-gun name by name and your full legal name is on the FBI most wanted list, or you do not believe in a "natural right to bear arms" given the many infringments that exist today.

That's how "tHe LaWs Of NaTuRe AnD oF NaTuRe'S GoD" works.

what sort of psychobabbling nonsense is this. what does this have to do with the natural right of self defense?

 

[Wayne Jr]

what sort of psychobabbling nonsense is this. what does this have to do with the natural right of self defense?

There is no 'natural right to self-defense'. There is a legal right to self-defense and even then the right exists only to the extent you are willing to perform violence to keep it.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Oh, do tell......which part of the law quoted states that citizens do not comprise the militia? Which part of the law states that the unorganized militia cannot be called up for service in the Armed forces?

And I am not sure how my literacy and reading comprehension will cause the downfall of the Second Amendment; perhaps you can elaborate......after all, I didn't write the laws, I just read them.

You said "...all US civilians that are citizens are defined as unorganized militia..."

The law clearly provides age limits.

And you can't be a member of an un-organization because un-organizations do not have rosters. You may as well declare that the right to free religious expression comes from everyone belonging to an un-organized Church, or that free speech comes from everyone belonging to the un-organized media. It's pure nonsense written only to give legal grouds for the draft.