(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...

[Logicman]

I provided 2: homosexuality & fornication & explained why they are not sins. They dont break His Word. What else can you come up with?​

What a crock. I can imagine Satan claiming the same thing so as to lead people into sin.

Scriptures that REFUTE Lursa:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

Revelation 21:8 – “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."

There's also no approval of fornication, gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

 

[Overitall]

The sodomites and lesbians have for ages tried to tell the rest of us that those behaviors are properly Biblical and acceptable to God. When they do that, then they're obligated to show us the scriptures that support that nonsense.

I agree. All doctrinal beliefs should be supported by actual scriptures. The problem arises when it's open to interpretation and/or translation issues. Working through that is the challenge. Nevertheless, the starting point for all (Christian) theology, imho, is what is written in our current Bibles.

 

[calamity]

The sodomites and lesbians...

I see

 

[Daisy]

And then there's Hebrews 13:4...

"Let marriage be honorable among all, and let the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge sexually immoral people and adulterers."

Sexual immorality​

From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)—See PROSTITUTE.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001077282#h=1:0-4:0


“Let marriage be honorable among all.” (Read Hebrews 13:4.) We can also prove our brotherly love by remaining morally chaste. (1 Tim. 5:1, 2) If someone were to “go beyond proper limits and take advantage” of a brother or a sister by committing sexual immorality with him or her or with members of that one’s own family, this would violate the trust on which brotherly love is based. (1 Thess. 4:3-8) Additionally, imagine how a wife would feel if she discovered that her husband betrayed her by watching pornography. Would such conduct show love for her and respect for the marriage arrangement?—Matt. 5:28.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016042

 

[calamity]

And then there's Hebrews 13:4...

"Let marriage be honorable among all, and let the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge sexually immoral people and adulterers."

Sexual immorality​

From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)—See PROSTITUTE.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001077282#h=1:0-4:0


“Let marriage be honorable among all.” (Read Hebrews 13:4.) We can also prove our brotherly love by remaining morally chaste. (1 Tim. 5:1, 2) If someone were to “go beyond proper limits and take advantage” of a brother or a sister by committing sexual immorality with him or her or with members of that one’s own family, this would violate the trust on which brotherly love is based. (1 Thess. 4:3-8) Additionally, imagine how a wife would feel if she discovered that her husband betrayed her by watching pornography. Would such conduct show love for her and respect for the marriage arrangement?—Matt. 5:28.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016042

Good lord

 

[Daisy]

Good lord

Yes, He is...

 

[VySky]

No one will ever convince me that a loving and merciful God would condemn a person who sins for 70-80 years to an eternity of burning forever...that is not justice...

We don’t determine justice here. God does

 

[weaver2]

Hebrews 13:4.......... let the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge sexually immoral people and adulterers."
From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)
“Let marriage be honorable among all.” (Read Hebrews 13:4.) We can also prove our brotherly love by remaining morally chaste. (1 Tim. 5:1, 2) If someone were to “go beyond proper limits and take advantage” of a brother or a sister by committing sexual immorality with him or her or with members of that one’s own family, this would violate the trust on which brotherly love is based. (1 Thess. 4:3-8) Additionally, imagine how a wife would feel if she discovered that her husband betrayed her by watching pornography. Would such conduct show love for her and respect for the marriage arrangement?—Matt. 5:28.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016042

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”
Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”
Revelation 21:8 – “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”
"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."
There's also no approval of fornication, gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

LOL Happy is he who can research deeply and quote extensively every sexual practice that you and God find nasty.

 

[NolanVoyd]

We don’t determine justice here. God does

Then your God is an immoral POS.

 

[Daisy]

We don’t determine justice here. God does

Yet, we are created in God's image, being able to display the same qualities He does...love, justice, mercy...

 

[NolanVoyd]

Yet, we are created in God's image, being able to display the same qualities He does...love, justice, mercy...

Immorality, pettiness, vindictiveness, viciousness, etc.

 

[Logicman]

Then your God is an immoral POS.

Liberals need a lot of help with their twisted theology.

 

[Lursa]

What a crock. I can imagine Satan claiming the same thing so as to lead people into sin.

Scriptures that REFUTE Lursa:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Timothy 1:8-10 - “But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine…”

Jude 7 – “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.”

Revelation 21:8 – “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.”

Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

"The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom."

There's also no approval of fornication, gay sex or gay marriage in either the Old or New Testaments.

Why did you waste your time? Do you have limitations in your ability to read? I said that not all scriptures are accurate representations of God's Word...that they were all written by fallible men of the times who sometimes made mistakes, and who sometimes wrote based on their own agenda's and not God's

Consensual sex outside marriage and being gay do not break God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace, so they are not sins.

Do you deny that that is God's Word? Yes or no? Just answer that simple question that every Christian should know. Not a single other "Christian" in the thread has answered it tho....strange huh?

 

[Lursa]

It's pretty lame when someone is too scared to post the scriptures supporting one's position.

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?

And I already said that it is supported by many many scriptures throughout the Bible...are you saying you cant think of any scriptures about brotherly love, compassion, peace, and forgiveness? If so, you have missed reading a lot of Bible.

Not surprising, you seem to specialize in posting the hateful stuff.

 

[Lursa]

I don't think it's got anything to do with fear. When you have the belief that most of what's written in the Bible has not been inspired by God why quote it?

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?

And I already said that it is supported by many many scriptures throughout the Bible...are you saying you cant think of any scriptures about brotherly love, compassion, peace, and forgiveness? If so, you have missed reading a lot of Bible.

 

[Logicman]

Why did you waste your time? Do you have limitations in your ability to read? I said that not all scriptures are accurate representations of God's Word...that they were all written by fallible men of the times who sometimes made mistakes, and who sometimes wrote based on their own agenda's and not God's

Consensual sex outside marriage and being gay do not break God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace, so they are not sins.

Do you deny that that is God's Word? Yes or no? Just answer that simple question that every Christian should know. Not a single other "Christian" in the thread has answered it tho....strange huh?

Hogwash. You just a claim - that "not all scriptures are accurate representations of God's Word". So we have to kick Moses, and the Apostle Paul, and the Apostle John, and Jude, to the curb, right? Because the scriptures I quoted are attributable to those individuals.

Can those who support or practice illicit sexual behaviors be considered reliable adjudicators of the Word of God? Or do they have a bias - that their sin must be preserved at all costs? No doubt the latter. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Those are the spawns of Satan who do that.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Liberals need a lot of help with their twisted theology.

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I don't have a theology.

 

[Overitall]

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?

And I already said that it is supported by many many scriptures throughout the Bible...are you saying you cant think of any scriptures about brotherly love, compassion, peace, and forgiveness? If so, you have missed reading a lot of Bible.

Lursa, your views are interesting but until you answer my question I choose not to address any of yours. Have a good day.

 

[Logicman]

LOL Happy is he who can research deeply and quote extensively every sexual practice that you and God find nasty.

Not every sexual practice, weaver. Far from that. Just the one's the Sodomites and their fellow Spawns of Satan seek to legitimize.

 

[Daisy]

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?

They are Lursa's twisted view...

 

[Lursa]

Lursa, your views are interesting but until you answer my question I choose not to address any of yours. Have a good day.

I answered your question. I dont care about your lies.

 

[Lursa]

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?

They are Lursa's twisted view...

LMAO! Well thank you very much! We have you loud and clear here: God's Word is twisted.

I'll keep this handy the next time you accuse me of not being a Christian.

 

[Lursa]

Hogwash. You just a claim - that "not all scriptures are accurate representations of God's Word". So we have to kick Moses, and the Apostle Paul, and the Apostle John, and Jude, to the curb, right? Because the scriptures I quoted are attributable to those individuals.

Can those who support or practice illicit sexual behaviors be considered reliable adjudicators of the Word of God? Or do they have a bias - that their sin must be preserved at all costs? No doubt the latter. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Those are the spawns of Satan who do that.

You are so pooly educated in Christianity that you cannot even answer simple questions:

So then you are denying that this is God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace? Yes or no?​

​

And I already said that it is supported by many many scriptures throughout the Bible...are you saying you cant think of any scriptures about brotherly love, compassion, peace, and forgiveness? If so, you have missed reading a lot of Bible.​

 

[Daisy]

LMAO! Well thank you very much! We have you loud and clear here: God's Word is twisted.

I'll keep this handy the next time you accuse me of not being a Christian.

You prove with every post that you're not...

 

[Daisy]

are you saying you cant think of any scriptures about brotherly love, compassion, peace, and forgiveness?

How about you giving us one...just ONE...