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(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...

I think you've mixed up the title of your Bible which is "How to tell Gays to Drop Dead and Go to Hell" with Lursa's Bible whose title is: "How to Drop Out of Logicman's World and Enjoy Life"

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How's the Twilight Zone these days, Weaver? LOL.
 
Never got any scriptures from you on that. So where did you supposedly get "God's Word" from?
You didnt answer my question, that's why. Are you denying that that is God's Word: compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, and peace?
 
You didnt answer my question, that's why. Are you denying that that is God's Word: compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, and peace?

Where's your scriptural basis for that? Can't identify it?
 
Where's your scriptural basis for that? Can't identify it?
I already wrote that answer. Now, are you going to deny it? Is that God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, peace, and forgiveness. Yes or no?
 
We should stop. Let people have the comfort they need.
 
If Christianity were proven true then God would be a dick.
 
When someone is vitally concerned about a subject they can spout a lot of information about that subject. In Exodus, chapters 35, 35, 37, 38, 39and 40 God gives exact and detailed instructions for building His place of worship. How detailed? God has the exact dimensions and material for the tassels on the temple curtains.

And laws? God has chapters filled with never ending laws; they go on for pages and pages and pages. Apparently God's got a lot of interest in laws for living ..................except for marriage.

Other than in Genesis 2:24 telling man to leave the comfort of his mother and father and live with his wife God has only one other rule about marriage: God advises men not to cut the rations of the 1st wife if they decide to take a second wife. Exodus 21:10

And that's it. God never said "one man, one woman". He never said anything about cherishing the wife, or fetuses. It was specific, identifiable men in the New Testament, writing letters that had a lot to say about women, who got to boss them and what they could and couldn't do in a marriage........ not God.

So don't lecture women on how you think they should behave about reproduction. God isn't interested and you don't know enough about women, reproduction or family to play God
Genesis 1:27-28: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.' "
Malachi 2:14-15: "But you say, 'Why does he not?' Because the LORD was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant."
Isaiah 54:5: "For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called."
Song of Solomon 8:6-7: "Set me as a seal upon your heart, as a seal upon your arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy is fierce as the grave. Its flashes are flashes of fire, the very flame of the LORD. Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. If a man offered for love all the wealth of his house, he would be utterly despised."
Ephesians 4:2-3: "With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
Colossians 3:14: "And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity."
Ecclesiastes 4:9: "Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor: If either of them falls down, one can help the other up. But pity anyone who falls and has no one to help them up. Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm. But how can one keep warm alone?"
Ephesians 5:25: "For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her."
Genesis 2:24: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
Ecclesiastes 4:12: "Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken."
Mark 10:9: "Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate."
Ephesians 5:25-33: "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, ..."
 
Romans 13:8: "Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law."
1 Corinthians 13:4-5: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."
1 Corinthians 13:2: "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
1 Corinthians 16:14: "Do everything in love."
Song of Solomon 8:7: "Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned."
Psalm 143:8: "Let the morning bring me word of your unfailing love, for I have put my trust in you. Show me the way I should go, for to you I entrust my life."
Proverbs 3:3-4: "Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart. Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man."
1 John 4:16: "And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them."
Ephesians 4:2: "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love."
1 Peter 4:8: "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."
John 15:12: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you."
1 Corinthians 13:13: "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
Song of Solomon 4:9: "You have captivated my heart, my sister, my bride; you have captivated my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace."
Hebrews 10:24-25: "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching."
Proverbs 30:18-19: "There are three things that amaze me—no, four things that I don't understand: how an eagle glides through the sky, how a snake slithers on a rock, how a ship navigates the ocean, how a man loves a woman."
1 John 4:12: "No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us."
Proverbs 31:10: "Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies."
Ruth 1:16-17: "Entreat me not to leave you, Or to turn back from following after you; For wherever you go, I will go; And wherever you lodge, I will lodge; Your people shall be my people, And your God, my God. Where you die, I will die, And there will I be buried. The Lord do so to me, and more also, If anything but death parts you and me."
Romans 12:10: "Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves."
1 Peter 4:8: "Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins."
Ephesians 5:21: "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."
Ephesians 4:32: "Be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you."
Genesis 2:18–25: "Then the LORD God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.' ... So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man."
1 Peter 3:7: "In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered."
 
Genesis 1:27-28: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.' "
Anything about marriage? Nope. Just a really stupid commandment to multiply and subdue the earth. Nice going, God.
Malachi 2:14-15: "But you say, 'Why does he not?' Because the LORD was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant."
so? This is Malachi interpreting God for a bunch of priests. God is talking to the temple priests that over the different tribes of Israel. He is pretty disgusted and angry with them. Apparently they have broken their promises to Him.
" 1. 'And now, priests, this commandment is for you.
2. If you will not listen, if you will not sincerely resolve to glorify my name, says Yahweh Sabaoth, I shall certainly lay a curse on you and I shall curse your blessing.


7. The priest's lips ought to safeguard knowledge; his mouth is where the law should be sought, since he is Yahweh Sabaoth's messenger.
8. But you yourselves have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to lapse by your teaching. Since you have destroyed the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh Sabaoth,
9. so I in my turn have made you contemptible and vile to the whole people, for not having kept my ways and for being partial in applying the law.
10. 'Is there not one Father of us all? Did not one God create us? Why, then, do we break faith with one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?
11. Judah has broken faith; a detestable thing has been done in Israel and in Jerusalem. For Judah has profaned Yahweh's beloved sanctuary; he has married the daughter of an alien god.
12. May Yahweh deprive such an offender of witness and advocate in the tents of Jacob among those who present offerings to Yahweh Sabaoth!
13. 'And here is something else you do: you cover the altar of Yahweh with tears, with weeping and wailing, because he now refuses to consider the offering or to accept it from you.
14. And you ask, "Why?" Because Yahweh stands as witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have broken faith, even though she was your partner and your wife by covenant. "Malachi, 2 - Bíblia Católica Online

The marriage He is talking about is between Judah and God from the early days of Israel. And BTW there's the confirmation that marriage is a contract.
Isaiah 54:5: "For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called."
Re-read for meaning. These are Isaiah's words not God's and Isaiah is talking metaphorically about marriage as a covenant between God and who ever Isaiah is mad at.
 
Proven vs faith. What more is there to say?
 
You know, a former atheist of 35 years - evidence-minded J. Warner Wallace, a Cold Case Detective - just spent years on research and published a book that proves Christianity is true.
If your opinion is that Christianity is definitively and unconditionally proven, that must mean you don't have (because you don't need) any faith?

I challenge you - I dare you - to read it. Available on Amazon.
I'd suggest that if someone had definitively proven the truth of any religion, it wouldn't be necessary to seek out and buy a book about it. The fact is that there are thousands of similar books claiming to have proof for all sorts of different religions or beliefs (including all the different forms of Christianity that directly contradict the form you believe in and this book supports).
 
If Christianity were proven true then God would be a dick.



.............................. you'd be joining your dada in hell.

That is......if you died without humbly accepting Jesus Christ.
You call God any name you want - but, who'll be toasting for all eternity?


You guys better think about giving what you think are "smart-alecky" responses.
They reflect on you. They actually show the opposite. :)
 
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If your opinion is that Christianity is definitively and unconditionally proven, that must mean you don't have (because you don't need) any faith?

EH?
Why would having evidence equate to having no faith?
In fact - discernment is but following what was taught to us by God!

Lol - why do you think Jesus performed all those miracles in front of His disciples? Just to show off?

You imagine the disciples buying what He claimed without any evidence of anything? :)
Lol - there they were - already seen His miracles of raising the dead! And yet, they feared for their lives in the middle of a storm!
Thus, He rebuked them! Imagine that - what more if they hadn't seen anything miraculous at all?

How do you think it would've turned out for Jesus had He not performed miracles TO PROVE His claims?'
How long would His popularity have lasted, you think? Would we have Christianity today?




Here, look at all the instructions!



Therefore.......................... to discern, is to practice faith!

As usual, arguments given by non-believers are based on Scriptural ignorance!
 
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How do you think it would've turned out for Jesus had He not performed miracles TO PROVE His claims?'
How long would His popularity have lasted, you think? Would we have Christianity today?
There are lots long-surviving religions around. Did all of their instigators perform miracles?

Therefore.......................... to discern, is to practice faith!

As usual, arguments given by non-believers are based on Scriptural ignorance!
"Faith" is one of those fuzzy words with varied definitions (there re many of those in this field). I was largely basing my question on what other Christians have said to me though, about how we specifically shouldn't (and/or can't) test or seek evidence for God but can only come to the truth by (blind) faith, opening yourself to him first and only then coming to believe.

In general, there doesn't seem to be an single consistent agreement on what the Bible actually means, even before we get to questions of proving that. Can't some of these quotes be read to completely contradict what you're saying? ; https://www.openbible.info/topics/faith
 
Anything about marriage? Nope. Just a really stupid commandment to multiply and subdue the earth. Nice going, God.

so? This is Malachi interpreting God for a bunch of priests. God is talking to the temple priests that over the different tribes of Israel. He is pretty disgusted and angry with them. Apparently they have broken their promises to Him.
" 1. 'And now, priests, this commandment is for you.
2. If you will not listen, if you will not sincerely resolve to glorify my name, says Yahweh Sabaoth, I shall certainly lay a curse on you and I shall curse your blessing.


7. The priest's lips ought to safeguard knowledge; his mouth is where the law should be sought, since he is Yahweh Sabaoth's messenger.
8. But you yourselves have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to lapse by your teaching. Since you have destroyed the covenant of Levi, says Yahweh Sabaoth,
9. so I in my turn have made you contemptible and vile to the whole people, for not having kept my ways and for being partial in applying the law.
10. 'Is there not one Father of us all? Did not one God create us? Why, then, do we break faith with one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors?
11. Judah has broken faith; a detestable thing has been done in Israel and in Jerusalem. For Judah has profaned Yahweh's beloved sanctuary; he has married the daughter of an alien god.
12. May Yahweh deprive such an offender of witness and advocate in the tents of Jacob among those who present offerings to Yahweh Sabaoth!
13. 'And here is something else you do: you cover the altar of Yahweh with tears, with weeping and wailing, because he now refuses to consider the offering or to accept it from you.
14. And you ask, "Why?" Because Yahweh stands as witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have broken faith, even though she was your partner and your wife by covenant. "Malachi, 2 - Bíblia Católica Online

The marriage He is talking about is between Judah and God from the early days of Israel. And BTW there's the confirmation that marriage is a contract.

Re-read for meaning. These are Isaiah's words not God's and Isaiah is talking metaphorically about marriage as a covenant between God and who ever Isaiah is mad at.
ALL scripture is inspired by GOD.
2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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If your opinion is that Christianity is definitively and unconditionally proven, that must mean you don't have (because you don't need) any faith?

I'd suggest that if someone had definitively proven the truth of any religion, it wouldn't be necessary to seek out and buy a book about it. The fact is that there are thousands of similar books claiming to have proof for all sorts of different religions or beliefs (including all the different forms of Christianity that directly contradict the form you believe in and this book supports).
So, what you are saying (not meaning to --- one must assume) is that the theory of evolution is not definative either with so many books. The CHRISTIAN's standard is the BIBLE. All doctrine and theology must fall in line with it or be rejected.
 
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I already wrote that answer. Now, are you going to deny it? Is that God's Word? Compassion, brotherly love, peace, and forgiveness. Yes or no?

You never provided any scriptural support for your claim above. Show me the link with the SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES IN IT??

See, here is where your duplicitous claims are brought to light.

First, you make the unsupported claim that the scriptures describing homosexual sin are not to be trusted.

THEN, you make claims about God's Word supporting "brotherly love, peace, and forgiveness," but when confronted with providing scriptural support for that, YOU RUN LIKE A RABBIT, avoiding presenting the scriptures at all costs. BECAUSE, as soon as you do provide scriptural support for your claims, you will be asked to show why those scriptures can be trusted but others regarding homosexual sin can't be. This is why you don't have an ounce of credibility with your sophomoric, pro sodomy defense claims. It's two-faced theology. But Weaver likes that kind of intellectual hogwash. That's his bag too, LOL!

You're BUSTED!
 
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I guarantee you that the Song of Solomon was not inspired by God. LOL
Why, what is wrong with the Song of Solomon. You don't see that it expresses in human terms how much GOD loves Israel.
 
If your opinion is that Christianity is definitively and unconditionally proven, that must mean you don't have (because you don't need) any faith?

Nope. Evidence increases faith because the object of that faith is the historical and Biblical Jesus.
I'd suggest that if someone had definitively proven the truth of any religion, it wouldn't be necessary to seek out and buy a book about it. The fact is that there are thousands of similar books claiming to have proof for all sorts of different religions or beliefs (including all the different forms of Christianity that directly contradict the form you believe in and this book supports).

I have support from my beliefs because of the historical Jesus.

You and those other people have YET to bust the resurrection of Jesus Christ. YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE.
 
If Christianity were proven true then God would be a dick.

Oh, then letting men and nations continue to run amok and murder people, sacrifice their babies like the Canaanites did, etc., etc., instead of executing judgment on those wicked individuals, is being a "dick"? Only morally-challenged liberals would make that argument. Does love allow your family to be murdered by wicked men and nations? Or do you put a stop to it?

Secularists and liberal moral relativists are currently wreaking havoc our society - elevating debased behaviors and thinking while numbing down the shame of individuals - propping them up instead - so their consciences won't be impinged.
 
If Christianity were proven to be true ........ Would you become a Christian? Why or why not?
I don't understand the question. Christianity exists. There are Christian churches with congregations that believe in Christian dogma. There are books of Christian philosophy and history. There are Christian leaders, holidays, literature, music, drama, art.

Christianity is here. It's real. It exists. Two million people claim they are Christian. What more do you need to prove it is "true".

Define "true".
 
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