(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...

[Lursa]

......however, you're equating sexual promiscuity with "brotherly love." Am I mistaken?
Promiscuity is definitely not in keeping with God's Word!

I'm not associating it with anything. I said that based on God's Word, it's not a sin. How does consensual sex conflict with compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, or peace? It doesnt...so it's not a sin. It harms no one nor breaks God's Word.

The only sex permitted by God is between a married couple - a man and a woman!

Not according God's Word as I have posted it for you.

You have injected feminist ideas into your interpretation, that which you give your argument for supporting abortion - you keep saying,
"God values the woman more than the unborn!"

I've injected His Words. And nowhere does He speak out against abortion but you've seen the scriptures where He does show He values women more AND that He finds the unborn to be transient and insubstantive. You disagree but the words are clear

God values all human life!

Yes.

Compassion and all that which you enumerated above, apply to ALL human lives!
That includes the most vulnerable of all - the unborn - which need protection the most!

Who says more compassion should be given to the unborn than the woman? Who says it needs more protection? The unborn knows and suffers nothing...women denied abortion suffer pain and would be aware of their disrespected status under the law, the minimization of their roles in our society. They would be fully aware of their losses and sacrifices.

I have compassion for those that suffer before those that dont.

 

[Lursa]

It's meant to be a threat in the Scriptures! Horrifying threat of eternal punishment!

Like who?

Which "men of the times" do you mean? THE APOSTLES?

What so-called "bible" are you reading? Written by whom?

That's just BS stuff that men of the times wrote to instill fear in man to coerce and control. Otherwise they couldnt round people up weekly and get them to put $$$$ into their collection plates. And they also did it to try and encourage positive societal behaviors.

But if it doesnt break God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, peace, and forgiveness, it's not a sin. It's pretty simple...this is how God wanted us to treat each other. "Man" invented the threats.

You preach of a god of hate and repression and threats. Look at God's Word as I posted it. It's no such thing, it's the OPPOSITE of what you continually threaten...who would ever be drawn to such a religion or god as horrible or malicious as that? What's in it for us? LOL...since there's no proof of God, I'd say most people choose to take their chances, and live life as they want. But those drawn to Christianity by His Word find a belief system based on positive ways to treat and live with their fellow man ON Earth while they're alive.

 

[Lursa]

And thus we have the pro-gay theater of the absurd! It's hilarious!

Hyenas are so cool.

OTOH, that's a pretty sad defense of your religion. You couldnt refute my interpretation or argument. I'm fine with that.

 

[Individual]

Which is it? Not much of a threat.....or, a little harsh?
Non-believers and scoffers ought not be bothered about it.

Both, depending on whether or not you believe.

I don't think anyone's trying to impose their beliefs on you.....same as I don't see non-believers trying to impose their beliefs on me.
We're in a forum. We stand on opposing sides. We're discussing or debating.
Of course, each is trying to uphold his own belief.

I have in the past had some believers cause me to avoid being around them.
Primarily a disagreement on the existence of a supernatural God.
We most likely would agree on things in our natural world which have been proven true will remain true, or become more clearly defined as we study them.

 

[tosca1]

That is NOT what you said...

Well - what is life and death?

...the only thing eternal is death...

That is your false belief!

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30


You're truly driven by pride if you don't back down in the face of that!

 

[Daisy]

Well - what is life and death?




That is your false belief!

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30

No thoughts, no pain...

"His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground;
On that very day his thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4

 

[Daisy]

I said that based on God's Word, it's not a sin. How does consensual sex conflict with compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, or peace? It doesnt...so it's not a sin. It harms no one nor breaks God's Word.

So, consensual orgies are ok with you...got it...

 

[Lursa]

So, consensual orgies are ok with you...got it...

It's not 'for me' but I see nothing wrong with it. And it does not go against God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace, so it's not a sin. It harms no one.

Do you forgive Hitler?

 

[tosca1]

No thoughts, no pain...


"His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground;

DUH?



Lol - what happens when your spirit departs from your body?

On that very day his thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4

of course his thoughts perish! It's kaput! His PHYSICAL body died!


Put that into context:

Psalm 146
3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.




Furthermore.....Who's talking in this verse?

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30

 

[Daisy]

Put that into context:

Psalm 146
3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.




Furthermore.....Who's talking in this verse?

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30

We are talking about eternal punishment...the punishment of death is eternal...pay attention...

 

[Daisy]

It's not 'for me' but I see nothing wrong with it. And it does not go against God's Word of compassion, brotherly love, forgiveness, and peace, so it's not a sin. It harms no one.

Do you forgive Hitler?

That is sick...

 

[Lursa]

That is sick...

Your opinion is worthless. What's sick about it? It's none of your business, it harms no one, and it's not a sin against God's Word.

Your judgement of others on that is a sin. As is your hypocrisy in not answering your own question honestly: Do you forgive Hitler?

 

[Daisy]

Your opinion is worthless. What's sick about it? It's none of your business, it harms no one, and it's not a sin against God's Word.

Your judgement of others on that is a sin. As is your hypocrisy in not answering your own question honestly: Do you forgive Hitler?

It is sick, no matter what you say...

 

[tosca1]

We are talking about eternal punishment...the punishment of death is eternal...pay attention...

Uh-uh.
Why should I pay attention to your demon-teachings?
YOU pay attention!

Don't lie!
You also said, #825:

.......the only thing eternal is death...


WRONG!


Jesus Himself had said.......


I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish

 

[Daisy]

Uh-uh.
Why should I pay attention to your demon-teachings?

Don't lie! You also said:

.......the only thing eternal is death...


WRONG!


Jesus Himself had said.......


I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish

lol...not my fault you have comprehension problems...

 

[Lursa]

It is sick, no matter what you say...

God didnt, and I'll listen to Him, thanks.

Now, do you forgive Hitler? Why wont you answer your own question honestly?

 

[tosca1]

lol...not my fault you have comprehension problems...

Lol - so you're going to be disingenuous again? hahahahaha

 

[tosca1]

I have in the past had some believers cause me to avoid being around them.
Primarily a disagreement on the existence of a supernatural God.
We most likely would agree on things in our natural world which have been proven true will remain true, or become more clearly defined as we study them.

So - a debate-like discussion ensued! On the existence of supernatural God.

I mean, no one is imposing their belief on you. Treat it like a tv ad - change the channel, or leave.

 

[Daisy]

God didnt, and I'll listen to Him, thanks.

"Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14

 

[Lursa]

"Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14

Except that God didnt say it's sick...you did. And Satan made you say it.

Now, Do you forgive Hitler? Why wont you honestly answer your own question?

 

[weaver2]

The only sex permitted by God is between a married couple - a man and a woman!

Formal marriage, until about mid19th century was a contract between two wealthy fathers. It had nothing to do with love, faith, religion, God, or morality. Somewhere during the 13th century when plagues, poverty and ignorance had destroyed legal and social structures the wealthy asked the Church to perform marriages as witnesses to the contract since the Church was the only stable recognized authority left. That's when religion started mucking about in marriage. Marriage is still actually a contract. God has very little to do or say about it. And Solomon's Song of Songs is not about his wife!

God values all human life!

No, He, most emphatically, does not!

Compassion and all that which you enumerated above, apply to ALL human lives!
That includes the most vulnerable of all - the unborn - which need protection the most!

The fetus is the least vulnerable of all. It is safely ensconced in the womb, where it is warm, comfortable and all its functions are performed for it. It is protected from all the vicissitudes, physical, emotional, psychological, financial and intellectual of real life in the real world. It controls its little universe hormonally as it controls the life of the mother.
The most vulnerable of all are the young children and those with mental ages of young children. They are physically and intellectually weak, aware enough to know when something bad is happening to them but not old enough to understand it. The world of adults can do with them anything it wishes and the young child is physically powerless to change it. There are about 650,000 children under 14 abused each year. About 2000 died every year from abuse. 70% of those that died were 3 years old or younger. How about some protection for them?

 

[LittleNipper]

It's not difficult for anyone to understand there is no God.
You cannot search for a truth if it doesn't exist. Furthermore, that implies you have been living an untruth all your life. Let that sink in.

It doesn't matter what they said. They sadly were illiterate gullible fools and your ghost cleverly manipulated them.



You can't fool me with you bible quotes. Try it on kids.


The gall of you to quote that when in the old testament your God condemned thousands of kids to be slaughtered.
Who Do you think should wear the mill stone now?


Same old religious threats of eternal fire if you don't obey the big spooky guy in the sky. Knock yourself out.


Dear oh dear. And you expect people to worship that rubbish.
What a disgraceful man he must have been

Sorry, but sin is what condemns anyone to death. If the parents are idol worshippers, and make human sacrafices to demonic pillars of stone, the children are going to mature into even worse creatures. GOD always gave people the option to leave. However, if they chose to remain and fight, they were to be annihilated. Man looks on the outward apperance but the Lord looks upon the heart.

 

[LittleNipper]

Formal marriage, until about mid19th century was a contract between two wealthy fathers. It had nothing to do with love, faith, religion, God, or morality. Somewhere during the 13th century when plagues, poverty and ignorance had destroyed legal and social structures the wealthy asked the Church to perform marriages as witnesses to the contract since the Church was the only stable recognized authority left. That's when religion started mucking about in marriage. Marriage is still actually a contract. God has very little to do or say about it. And Solomon's Song of Songs is not about his wife!


No, He, most emphatically, does not!

The fetus is the least vulnerable of all. It is safely ensconced in the womb, where it is warm, comfortable and all its functions are performed for it. It is protected from all the vicissitudes, physical, emotional, psychological, financial and intellectual of real life in the real world. It controls its little universe hormonally as it controls the life of the mother.
The most vulnerable of all are the young children and those with mental ages of young children. They are physically and intellectually weak, aware enough to know when something bad is happening to them but not old enough to understand it. The world of adults can do with them anything it wishes and the young child is physically powerless to change it. There are about 650,000 children under 14 abused each year. About 2000 died every year from abuse. 70% of those that died were 3 years old or younger. How about some protection for them?

Marriage was designed by GOD to be between one man and one woman. And the man was to cherish the woman as CHRIST cherished HIS Church. Devaluing a fetus, does NOTHING to instill society with a value for children. It turns them into material possessions.

 

[LittleNipper]

Everybody dies and afterwards comes the judgment.

 

[Logicman]

Hyenas are so cool.

OTOH, that's a pretty sad defense of your religion. You couldnt refute my interpretation or argument. I'm fine with that.

I did refute your sophomoric interpretation, which I noted could, on your part, been ok to defend adultery as an acceptable lifestyle.