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Are you saying you agree that no one who ever died has appeared to anyone alive? Just to be clear.
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(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...
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The HOLY BIBLE is GOD's standard and the HOLY SPIRIT provides the interpretation. There are crazy beliefs out there because people refuse to look to the LORD but look to religious organizations fabricated by mere men.
If that were true, no spirit could be called up now, could it...like Samuel?
Your beliefs are full of contradictions...think about why that is...
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No, I believe Samuel did in fact appear to Saul (for GOD's purposes), and Moses and Elijah appeared with CHRIST to Peter, James and John on the mount of TRANSFIGURATION (to fulfill prophecy). Other than that, I believe all other manifestations of dead people are at worse demonic in nature --- or a wild imagination at best.
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But Samuel was sent as a messenger from the LORD. What about Moses and Elijah on the Mount of TRANSFIGURATION. Were they demonic? NO, the LORD had a specific purpose for them. But in general terms there are billions of people that such events have not and will not happen to. NOTHING is impossible for GOD to suit HIS eternal purposes.
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So you think God has resurrected certain special people. Why not just resurrect all of those that died? Or better yet why not just send an angel to do His bidding? He has on several occasions.
No, he wasn't, it was a demon...verse 6 says Saul asked Jehovah for an answer but Jehovah never answered him...
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Didn't JESUS bring Lazarus of Bethany back from the dead? The LORD isn't the LORD of confusion. HE does what HE will when HE desires to suit HIS purposes. Who am I to question?
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You really MUST be trying to prove something that your religion holds as doctrine. Saul is most likely now in hell, as he never listened to GOD. The message GOD sent via someone Saul occasionally listened to, was his death sentence and nothing more. And the fact Saul turned to a witch proved that Saul was no child of GOD but needed human support.
Yeah, that God forbids attempting to talk to the dead for good reason...the dead are dead...evil spirits love to trick the gullible...
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Yes, he did. He is the Lord of Life. Do you remember what he told Martha (or was it Mary) about being the resurrection and the life? Lazarus was a miracle showing the power of the Lord of Life to raise us all from the dead at his second coming. It gives us confidence (faith) that he will raise us up with the shout of an Archangel -- him. Lazarus died again and is still dead until that day of days when the power of God will be known by all to see.
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So, why exactly did your (as you believe) evil spirit not lie to Saul. Evil spirits do not tell the truth!
NOTE: John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths.
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Evil spirits will tell you what they think will pull you into believing a lie. They can and do use the truth. Jesus was tempted not by lies that Satan told him but by elements of truths.
How else do you think fortune tellers know things about people who come to them? God’s prophet, Samuel strongly opposed spirit mediums while he was alive....as a follower of God’s law, he saw to it that they were put to death....so, then, would he, while he was dead, allow a spirit medium to arrange for him to meet with Saul? If Samuel refused to speak with Saul while alive, could a condemned medium make him do so after he had died?
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You have too much (biblical) common sense Elora.
You've made some very good points, yourself...I can tell you've done some in-depth studying and reasoning on the scriptures...You have too much (biblical) common sense Elora.
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I have but I'm not remembering as much these days. But sometimes I get some help, if you know what I mean.
lol...me too...John 14:26...I have but I'm not remembering as much these days. But sometimes I get some help, if you know what I mean.
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Jesus met and talked to the dead!
Obviously, God can allow it or permit it - like what happened between Saul and Samuel!
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Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)?
The passage does not give us any reason to believe it was anyone other than Samuel, who is described by the medium as “an old man wearing a robe” (v. 14). Obviously, age and clothing do not exist in the realm of the spirits of those who have died, but God miraculously gave Samuel such appearances as would enable Saul perceive who the spirit was.
The message Samuel gave Saul was completely accurate. God allowed the witch of Endor to summon the prophet Samuel in order to give King Saul the news of his coming defeat and death.
This does not mean that it is genuinely possible for witches or mediums to speak with the dead, only that God allowed it in this one exception. When a person dies, his soul is taken to heaven or hell, depending on whether he has placed his faith in Christ (Matthew 25:46). There is no reason to believe that a deceased person has any ability to leave heaven or hell in order to visit his living family members. Any such claim is a demonic deception (2 Corinthians 11:14-15). God declared such practices to be abhorrent to Him, and those who did practice such things in Israel were to be put to death (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-12).
Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)? | GotQuestions.org
Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)? Why would God allow Samuel to be summoned by a witch?
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Elijah and Moses were spirits when they met and talked with Jesus - they were not summoned by anyone to appear.
There were no mediums or witches involved!
Having mediums or witches involved was what was evil about it.
Thus, VISIONS can also involve seeing and communicating with actual spirits (as what happened with Jesus and the disciples in seeing Elijah and Moses).
Vision(s)
Visions occur frequently in the Bible as instruments of supernatural revelation.
They are audiovisual means of communication between a heavenly being and an earthly recipient.
Revelatory visions portray scenery or dramatic circumstances to the human recipient while the human is awake.
The distinction between a vision and a dream has to do with whether the human is awake or asleep; the result is the same.
The prophetic use of dreams and visions is summarized in the Lord's dramatic defense of Moses in the face of Aaron and Miriam's revolt: "When a prophet of the Lord is among you, I reveal myself to him in visions, I speak to him in dreams" ( Num 12:6 ).
Vision(s) Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
What is Vision(s)? Definition and meaning:Vision(s) Visions occur frequently in the Bible as instruments of supernatural revelation.
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Visions occur frequently in the Bible as instruments of supernatural revelation.
They are audiovisual means of communication between a heavenly being and an earthly recipient.
I don't know why you think that's an answer! Like as if, it's an "aha!" moment!
It was a vision - with the spirits of Elijah and Moses appearing to Jesus and the disciples (and, talking to Jesus)!
So what?
No witches or mediums, or anything of the occult, was used to summon them!
The Bible strongly condemns spiritism, mediums, the occult, and psychics (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). Horoscopes, tarot cards, astrology, fortune tellers, palm readings, and séances fall into this category as well. These practices are based on the concept that there are gods, spirits, or deceased loved ones that can give advice and guidance. These “gods” or “spirits” are demons (2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
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What does the Bible say about psychics / fortune tellers / soothsayers / clairvoyants / being clairvoyant? If not God, from where do psychics get their information?
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Though God can refer to all three as "US" (that's God who says it).................................. I don't think all three were ever referred to as "them."
There is something not quite right when all three are referred to as "them."
All Three - as the Triune - are referred to as .............................GOD.
Individually, they can be referred to by their distinction.................... like, Jesus or The Word, or The Son, or The Holy Spirit or The Father.