(W:#941)If Christianity were proven true...

[Overitall]

Are you saying preaching can never be a disturbance?



Say that

You're the one that has to describe how it's a disturbance. I'm the preacher, remember.

 

[Overitall]

So it is not a case of if christianity is true. It is more an argument of do I find christianity appealing.
Which I do not.

That's your personal choice. I'm fine with it.

 

[vegas giants]

You're the one that has to describe how it's a disturbance. I'm the preacher, remember.

If it is loud, or gathers too much of a crowd or uses obscene language or uses threatening language.....all things done by some preachers....it is a disturbance

 

[mrjurrs]

Would you become a Christian? Why or why not?

"Too many people have lied in the name of Christ
For anyone to heed the call
Too many people have died in the name of Christ
That I can't believe it all…"

 

[Overitall]

If it is loud, or gathers too much of a crowd or uses obscene language or uses threatening language.....all things done by some preachers....it is a disturbance

Speech is protected. Parks are designed for crowds. Obscene language isn't objective. Threatening in what way? I'm preaching the gospel (good news).

 

[soylentgreen]

That's your personal choice. I'm fine with it.

As I am with yours.

 

[vegas giants]

Speech is protected. Parks are designed for crowds. Obscene language isn't objective. Threatening in what way? I'm preaching the gospel (good news).

Free speech has limits like every other right.

Cause a disturbance.....go to jail

 

[Overitall]

Free speech has limits like every other right.

Cause a disturbance.....go to jail

Ok. I don't think you can clearly define how preaching falls under a disturbance category. Thanks for your time.

 

[vegas giants]

Ok. I don't think you can clearly define how preaching falls under a disturbance category. Thanks for your time.

I did quite specifically


You're welcome

 

[Grand Mal]

This is actually a good point. My only response would be: So that you may have a relationship with the Father you didn't know you had.

It's kind of related to another discussion I've had here about bringing civilization to primitive people. I say It's not a gift, it's a curse. I say the creation story in Genesis illustrates that.

 

[Lursa]

Wait a minute.

You claimed to be a Christian here.

So what's the truth?

Are you a "Christian" or not?

And exactly what do you think it means to be a "Christian"?

I am a Christian and I am asking those questions for other people's answers, kind of to get some kind of focus on her OP.

Was it really that hard to figure that out?

 

[The Baron]

I am a Christian and I am asking those questions for other people's answers, kind of to get some kind of focus on her OP.

Was it really that hard to figure that out?

Why do you think you're a "Christian"?

 

[Lursa]

If they know that the only way to not end up in hell is through Christ - and Christ is the Life - then, wouldn't that be reason enough to understand that Christ is Someone they can't do without?

Great analogy - we know that Bread and Water are things we can't do without................................or, we're dead! Dead as a doornail!

Is that what Christ would want? What God would want? People to worship them only because of that threat?

 

[The Baron]

Like the Left does what?

Force--or attempt to force--their beliefs on others. Think riots, BLM, Antifa, cancel-culture, endless accusations of racism. Homophobia, transphobia, "you have to use my pronouns!" hysteria...

 

[Lursa]

You would need to define "proven true" before anyone needs to answer your question.

Hint, I am in the crowd that contends systems of belief (religion) and systems of process (science) have both entirely different definitions of truth (or fact) and entirely different methods to get there.

Inorite? There are people that have posted on the forum, like Sherlock and Angel and I think Baron (not sure) that say there is proof that God exists. I havent seen their proof tho. Sherlock was especially shifty on that.

 

[Overitall]

It's kind of related to another discussion I've had here about bringing civilization to primitive people. I say It's not a gift, it's a curse. I say the creation story in Genesis illustrates that.

I'm not following your meaning. Perhaps a link to this other discussion you're having might enlighten my understanding.

 

[Grand Mal]

I'm not following your meaning. Perhaps a link to this other discussion you're having might enlighten my understanding.

Basically, the Garden of Eden story represents to me the loss of the state of innocence that primitive people live in. Adam and Eve were true primitives, hunter-gatherers, until they learned to call things 'good' and 'evil'. That was the first step toward civilization, the step that lost them the state of innocence, lost them the Garden of Eden, and agriculture was the second step. Cain was a planter and Abel a herder.
Agriculture is the root of civilization. It allows two things- it allows living crowded together in cities ( the 'civil' part of civilization) and it allows us to create a surplus. All the problems of mankind come from two questions- who who will rule the city and who will control the surplus.
That's why I say civilization is a curse. And why I say bringing it to primitive people ruins their lives.

 

[Overitall]

Basically, the Garden of Eden story represents to me the loss of the state of innocence that primitive people live in. Adam and Eve were true primitives, hunter-gatherers, until they learned to call things 'good' and 'evil'. That was the first step toward civilization, the step that lost them the state of innocence, lost them the Garden of Eden, and agriculture was the second step. Cain was a planter and Abel a herder.
Agriculture is the root of civilization. It allows two things- it allows living crowded together in cities ( the 'civil' part of civilization) and it allows us to create a surplus. All the problems of mankind come from two questions- who who will rule the city and who will control the surplus.
That's why I say civilization is a curse. And why I say bringing it to primitive people ruins their lives.

That's a very interesting, and deep perspective. My own perspective on the Garden of Eden story would take us way off topic. I'll simply point to Genesis 1:28 where God told man, ". . . Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth . . . ." This command has both a civilization and profitable aspect to mankind as a civilization. But I believe it pertained to the Garden of Eden which implies not a specific location, but a condition of relationship between God and man. It's when that relationship was marred that the curse of civilization began to unfold. This is one idea I have, but it's always interesting to learn of other's.

 

[Grand Mal]

That's a very interesting, and deep perspective. My own perspective on the Garden of Eden story would take us way off topic. I'll simply point to Genesis 1:28 where God told man, ". . . Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth . . . ." This command has both a civilization and profitable aspect to mankind as a civilization. But I believe it pertained to the Garden of Eden which implies not a specific location, but a condition of relationship between God and man. It's when that relationship was marred that the curse of civilization began to unfold. This is one idea I have, but it's always interesting to learn of other's.

I like creation myths. Every culture has one and it can be surprising, the similarities you come across when you look at the creation stories from very different cultures.

 

[Overitall]

I like creation myths. Every culture has one and it can be surprising, the similarities you come across when you look at the creation stories from very different cultures.

Are you familiar with the "telephone story game"? Basically where a story is relayed over and over again from person to person. When it finally gets back to the originator of it it's not quite the same but still contains the basics. I don't find it odd that every civilization has their own version of the creation. Oral history was all that existed in mankind's early history.

 

[Daisy]

Actually that definition does fit this scenario.
To an atheist or a person of another faith to find out that christianity is the one true faith would be something unwelcome or unfamiliar that must now be accepted because it is true.

The decision is no longer ours. Reality has established and imposed a truth.

It is not just convenient that no evidence of gods exist. Not being able to prove there is a god is the only intelligent thing a god has done so far.

Actually, it doesn't...no one is forcing you to do anything...

 

[Daisy]

I seriously doubt that this would be your stance if an actual gay pride parade marched down your street every day. Let's not be hypocritical.

I'm not...we don't parade down your street every day...

 

[Daisy]

So it is not a case of if christianity is true. It is more an argument of do I find christianity appealing.
Which I do not.

“People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” ― Blaise Pascal

 

[Daisy]

If it is loud, or gathers too much of a crowd or uses obscene language or uses threatening language.....all things done by some preachers....it is a disturbance

Have you ever observed a JW acting in such a way?

 

[Daisy]

I am a Christian and I am asking those questions for other people's answers, kind of to get some kind of focus on her OP.

Was it really that hard to figure that out?

No, you're not...