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[W:836] How Can We Be Sure the Bible Is True?

Shrink726 said:
Hahahaha
Here's another good one. It includes myriad references to clear contradictions in the new testament. Twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make sense of these.

Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions? » Internet Infidels

In the author's opinion, these verses represent inconsistencies which would not be characteristic of inspiration by a perfect "God." Note: The author makes a subtle distinction between the terms "inconsistency" and "contradiction"; please see his explanation in the disclaimer at the top of this...
infidels.org infidels.org
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So much for 'every word in the Bible is true'.
 
Lursa said:
Your usual skillful articulation of an argument, of course! /sarcasm.
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My level of patience depends on your level of stupidity...and I've run outta all patience where you are concerned...sarcasm...
 
Elvira said:
My level of patience depends on your level of stupidity...and I've run outta all patience where you are concerned...sarcasm...
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Again, you cannot articulate anything, all you do is recite scripture by rote. Anyone can read the Bible...one evangelizes by explaining God's Word in personal terms to others and by acting as an example of living that Word.

You do neither of those things.
 
Lursa said:
Again, you cannot articulate anything, all you do is recite scripture by rote. Anyone can read the Bible...one evangelizes by explaining God's Word in personal terms to others and by acting as an example of living that Word.

You do neither of those things.
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Sure I do...not my fault you have a comprehension problem...or maybe it's more of a faith problem...
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Know all what?

1. The universe (the totality of matter, energy, fields) cannot explain the existence of matter, energy, fields.
2. Therefore a scientific explanation (all scientific explanations are in terms of mass, energy or fields) for the universe is a logical absurdity.
3. Therefore the explanation must be non-scientific.
4. God created the heavens and the earth - is a non-scientific explanation

The explanation 4. is revealed in the Bible.
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Your items numbers 3 and 4 are quite simplistic and also quite wrong, Here is how they should read:

3. And therefore we don’t know what caused the universe.
4. And therefore we will keep looking rather than just throw up our hands and proclaim that “God did it!”
 
Elvira said:
Sure I do...not my fault you have a comprehension problem...or maybe it's more of a faith problem...
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I made my response purely on provable posts here, from you. As observations.

You are not capable of holding up your end of your faith...here. You have shown a great lack of ability to do so. You speaks as if superior to others, as if your sect is superior to others. That's the opposite of Jesus's speeches to His People.
 
Lursa said:
I made my response purely on provable posts here, from you. As observations.

You are not capable of holding up your end of your faith...here. You have shown a great lack of ability to do so. You speaks as if superior to others, as if your sect is superior to others. That's the opposite of Jesus's speeches to His People.
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Jesus wasn't afraid to call out the hypocrites of his day, either...
 
Elvira said:
Yeah, unlike you, I read the Bible...
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See...that's a blatant lie. Why would you post something you KNOW you have no way of knowing? I am capable of carrying on conversations re: my religion with out using the Bible as a crutch, reciting it by rote like you. I can articulate the foundations and tenets of my religion without 'looking it up.'

It's a shame that you choose to sin so blatantly. 🤷 You seem to be quite the example that Satan does rule the earth (which YOUR sect believes but mine does not).
 
How can we know a prophecy is false? When the prophesy date passes. Prophecies that are without an estimation of the date are unfalsifiable.
 
Lursa said:
See...that's a blatant lie. Why would you post something you KNOW you have no way of knowing? I am capable of carrying on conversations re: my religion with out using the Bible as a crutch, reciting it by rote like you. I can articulate the foundations and tenets of my religion without 'looking it up.'

It's a shame that you choose to sin so blatantly. 🤷 You seem to be quite the example that Satan does rule the earth (which YOUR sect believes but mine does not).
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I know by what you say, that's how...
 
watsup said:
Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object

cult definition


So show that you’re not part of a cult?
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And how do you suggest I "show" that I'm not part of a cult over the internet? You're just attempting to split hairs and set some form of logical trap. Your intentions are not honorable. You seek to destroy my testimony with your logic, instead of supporting it. You don't want good for me, but evil.

Luke 6:45

King James



45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
 
watsup said:
Well, at least you admit that nothing that you say has any merit with respect to actual logic. Perhaps now we can have an extended conversation about wood fairies.
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What I said is for you to go home and feed your fish. You have no business in this conversation. You're all talk and no substance.
 
Shrink726 said:
I've always loved the BS "historical context" explanation of the eldless contradiction, horrors, slavery, rape and murder endorsed by this ludicrous text that is supposedly "god's word" or "inspired by god," etc. As this sky fairy is supposed to be omniscient there would be no reason to have to "interpret" the text in any way whatsoever. And yet....

Laughable. The stuff of children and superstitious imbeciles.
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Yes, and you probably voted for DeBlasio, Schumer and Cuomo. How's that working out for you liberal wing nuts? Two character guys. Stick with what you know about for sure. LOL
 
Rich2018 said:
Because the Bible is meant to be perfect. The word of god. So it must be 100% right - yet the Bible has inconsistencies as well as obvious falsehoods.
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Such as?
 
Elvira said:
A Canaanite goddess...the Bible says there was...the Bible said it did...the Bible says they were...3rd century BCE...God's laws to the Israelite nation were unique to them...the neighboring nations were heathens...
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Who was Asherah? YHWH's spouse according to multiple inscriptions dug up in Israel

Was there an Exodus? There is ZERO physical evidence that the "Exodus" as described in the Old Testament actually occurred with multiple problems as to dating due to contradictions found in the text.

Did the Battle of Jericho actually happen? There may have been a one or more battles at Jericho as it is the oldest known metropolitan area in the world with foundation being sometime around 9000 BCE. The destroyed walls of the last battle indicate it took place at least 150 years before the supposed attack by Joshua and the Israelites could have occurred.

Was there a King David or Solomon? If there was a King David, the only physical evidence being an inscription found at Tel Dan which is dated to approximately 200 years after the supposed time of David. It should be seen as a bit odd that a kingdom which extended from the "banks of the Euphrates" to the border with Egypt can only be found under the reign of the Assyrian ruler Shalmaneser III.

When was the Septuagint written? Best academic estimates put the composition in the years 273-267 BCE at the Library of Alexandria. This is also the earliest date for the books of the Pentateuch as there is at this time no known external evidence whatever for the Pentateuch — or any written precursor of the Pentateuch — prior to the composition of the Septuagint.

Why are many of the moral strictures in the Old Testament closer to Grecian morality than to any codes from neighbouring cultures?
Russell Gmirkin has written two books focused on Grecian influence of the Old Testament moral codes that are found in the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (New York-London: T&T Clark, 2006)

This book proposes a new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. The central thesis of this book is that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273–72 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen 1–11 on Berossus’s Babyloniaca (278 BCE), literary dependence of the Exodus story on Manetho’s Aegyptiaca (ca. 285–280 BCE), and datable geo-political references in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria in Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, utilizing literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Alexandrian Septuagint translation provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria’s Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a third-century BCE or later date for other portions of the Hebrew Bible that show literary dependence on the Pentateuch.
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Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible (London-New York: Routledge, 2017)

This book compares the ancient law collections of the Ancient Near East, the Greeks and the Pentateuch to determine the legal antecedents for the biblical laws. A striking number of legal parallels are found to be with Athenian laws, and specifically with those found in Plato's Laws of ca. 350 BCE. Constitutional features in biblical law similarly mostly agree with Athens and with Plato's Laws. Greek parallels are also noted for specific law collections, such as Ten Commandments and the Deuteronomic law code. The synthesis of narrative and legal content is also shown to be compatible with Greek literature. Finally, this book argues that the creation of the Hebrew Bible itself took place according to the program for creating a national ethical literature found in Plato's Laws, reinforcing the importance of this specific text to the authors of the Torah and Hebrew Bible in the early Hellenistic Era.
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