[W:836] How Can We Be Sure the Bible Is True?

[Questerr]

I believe God's holy spirit has overseen what has gone into the Bible and what was rejected...

So the people deciding didn’t have free will?

 

[gboisjo]

God is a title...there are many gods and they all have distinct names, there is only One True God...His name is Jehovah...

But that's what they all said or say.

 

[Somerville]

To be an adherent to any religious faith, one need only be able to take the faith's foundational documents out of their historical context and to lack any comprehension in addition to near-total ignorance of the culture(s) in which the documents were written.

 

[Daisy]

Hahahaha
Here's another good one. It includes myriad references to clear contradictions in the new testament. Twist yourself into a pretzel trying to make sense of these.

Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions? » Internet Infidels

In the author's opinion, these verses represent inconsistencies which would not be characteristic of inspiration by a perfect "God." Note: The author makes a subtle distinction between the terms "inconsistency" and "contradiction"; please see his explanation in the disclaimer at the top of this...

infidels.org

No twisting involved, except by you...I can prove what I said to be true...it is up to you to understand what these scriptures mean...

"For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well." Hebrews 7:12

"In his saying “a new covenant,” he has made the former one obsolete. Now what is obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away." Hebrews 8:13

"He kindly forgave us all our trespasses and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." Colossians 2:13,14

 

[Daisy]

To be an adherent to any religious faith, one need only be able to take the faith's foundational documents out of their historical context and to lack any comprehension in addition to near-total ignorance of the culture(s) in which the documents were written.

To understand any religious faith, one need only to be able to consider the faith's foundational documents within their historical context, as well as being able to apply them to one's own personal life, along with comprehension and discernment of the culture in which the documents were written...

 

[Daisy]

So the people deciding didn’t have free will?

That has nothing to do with free will...Jesus said if no one witnessed about him, the stones would...God's will will be accomplished, regardless...

"But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.” Luke 19:40

 

[gboisjo]

gboisjo said:

How do you know all of this ..how can you be so certain. Your but a speck on speck as it relates to everything. It seems to me a god is a simple
solution, one that takes a difficult question and makes it easy. God did it, tells me nothing.

Know all what?

1. The universe (the totality of matter, energy, fields) cannot explain the existence of matter, energy, fields.
2. Therefore a scientific explanation (all scientific explanations are in terms of mass, energy or fields) for the universe is a logical absurdity.
3. Therefore the explanation must be non-scientific.
4. God created the heavens and the earth - is a non-scientific explanation

The explanation 4. is revealed in the Bible.

Hogwash, science is discovering new insights into the nature of reality and the universe as we speak. At the time of the bible
people thought the stars rotated around the earth. The bible for me is an antiquated, meaningless collection of supernatural
clauses with a spattering of moral dictates ..nothing more.

 

[Somerville]

To understand any religious faith, one need only to be able to consider the faith's foundational documents within their historical context, as well as being able to apply them to one's own personal life, along with comprehension and discernment of the culture in which the documents were written...

From the words, you have written here and in other comments in multiple threads, I do venture to state that you have little actual knowledge of ancient Israel and Judah, their contemporary societies, or of Palestine under Roman control.

 

[Questerr]

That has nothing to do with free will...Jesus said if no one witnessed about him, the stones would...God's will will be accomplished, regardless...

"But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.” Luke 19:40

So could the people who compiled the Bible chosen to ignore what god wanted or not? Could they have gone against his wishes and put things in the Bible he didn’t want?

 

[Daisy]

From the words, you have written here and in other comments in multiple threads, I do venture to state that you have little actual knowledge of ancient Israel and Judah, their contemporary societies, or of Palestine under Roman control.

I would say you know nothing about the Bible's context involving any of those things...

 

[gboisjo]

gboisjo said:

Which begs the question, which one is real. If one adds up all the gods past and present its in the tens of thousands. Whats going on here
with all of these gods.

I'm okay with the gods, it's the man made profit machines around them that tick me off.

Yea, you got that right as well as the violence ..Islam and Christianity have been at each others throats for centuries.

 

[Daisy]

So could the people who compiled the Bible chosen to ignore what god wanted or not? Could they have gone against his wishes and put things in the Bible he didn’t want?

God's holy spirit oversees His Word, regardless of who is involved or not involved...

 

[Somerville]

I would say you know nothing about the Bible's context involving any of those things...

Who was Asherah? Was there an Exodus? Did the Battle of Jericho actually happen? Was there a King David or Solomon? When was the Septuagint written? Why are many of the moral strictures in the Old Testament closer to Grecian morality than to any codes from neighbouring cultures?

 

[gboisjo]

Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. It's a long read, but well worth it.

One estimate has native Indians living in North and South America for some 20,000 years. No metallurgy, no written word ..a few symbols, no wheel.
No trade outside of the America's. They were using the same stone tipped arrows they had been using for thousands of years when the Europeans
arrived. They didn't stand a chance.

 

[Daisy]

Who was Asherah? Was there an Exodus? Did the Battle of Jericho actually happen? Was there a King David or Solomon? When was the Septuagint written? Why are many of the moral strictures in the Old Testament closer to Grecian morality than to any codes from neighbouring cultures?

A Canaanite goddess...the Bible says there was...the Bible said it did...the Bible says they were...3rd century BCE...God's laws to the Israelite nation were unique to them...the neighboring nations were heathens...

 

[Shrink726]

To be an adherent to any religious faith, one need only be able to take the faith's foundational documents out of their historical context and to lack any comprehension in addition to near-total ignorance of the culture(s) in which the documents were written.

I've always loved the BS "historical context" explanation of the eldless contradiction, horrors, slavery, rape and murder endorsed by this ludicrous text that is supposedly "god's word" or "inspired by god," etc. As this sky fairy is supposed to be omniscient there would be no reason to have to "interpret" the text in any way whatsoever. And yet....

Laughable. The stuff of children and superstitious imbeciles.

 

[Daisy]

there would be no reason to have to "interpret" the text in any way whatsoever. And yet....

Yes, there is and try as they might, some will never understand...

"He said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of God, but for the rest it is in illustrations so that, though looking, they may look in vain, and though hearing, they may not get the sense." Luke 8:10

But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory." 1 Corinthians 2:7

"Now to Him who can make you firm according to the good news I declare and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the sacred secret that has been kept in silence for long-lasting times." Romans 16:25

 

[ASHES]

Do you junot comprehend that quoting the bible at people is not going to convince them of what you're saying unless they already accept the divinity of the source? The words can not prove the words.

 

[watsup]

The answer is dependent on your prejudice.

Logic is based on prejudice?

 

[watsup]

How do you know it's a myth? What knowledge do you have that I don't don't? Scripture says you're wrong and I'm right.

As for others making false predictions, you're correct. But that makes them false prophets.

You're an unbelieving liberal and have no business in any discussion about spiritual things. You have no personal knowledge/experience and the things you say are empty because of that. If you're not a mechanic you shouldn't be talking about overhauling an engine. If you're not a carpenter you know nothing about framing a new house. It's the same principle spiritually. If you're dead in your trespasses and sin you cannot know anything about spiritual LIFE. Any simpleton knows that death and life are like oil and water. They cannot mix. So keep your ignorant comments to your self. Your logic holds no value in a spiritual discussion. None

Well, at least you admit that nothing that you say has any merit with respect to actual logic. Perhaps now we can have an extended conversation about wood fairies.

 

[Daisy]

Do you junot comprehend that quoting the bible at people is not going to convince them of what you're saying unless they already accept the divinity of the source? The words can not prove the words.

Yeah, I understand that is pretty much a weeding out process in itself that Jesus spoke of...not that you'll comprehend what that means, either...

 

[stevecanuck]

To be an adherent to any religious faith, one need only be able to take the faith's foundational documents out of their historical context and to lack any comprehension in addition to near-total ignorance of the culture(s) in which the documents were written.

I believe this is quite possible with Islam. The Qur'an is written entirely in the context of whatever Mohamed needed people to believe in order to place himself in a position of total authority. It may be interesting to understand that he was trying to rally the troops to attack the Byzantines in the year 630 when he 'revealed' verses 9:29 and 9:111, but it is not really necessary. That's because many verses mean exactly what they say regardless of Qur'anic or historical context.

9:29 - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled".

9:111 - "Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain".

 

[ASHES]

Yeah, I understand that is pretty much a weeding out process in itself that Jesus spoke of...not that you'll comprehend what that means, either...

Yeah, scorn the fools that don't accept the magic book. We know.

 

[watsup]

Says who? You're just passing gas. Hot air.

Cult: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object

cult definition


So show that you’re not part of a cult?

 

[Daisy]

Yeah, scorn the fools that don't accept the magic book. We know.

You do that all by yourself with your mockery...