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Were they just tired of giving HRC so much money?
Were they just tired of giving HRC so much money?I have said from the beginning that it is oversimplification for anybody to believe that Trump would be just a Russian puppet. Nor does it makes sense to have the Russians expect that they could get control of Trump's actions. Still, they had reasonable expectations that Trump would be a MUCH better choice for them than Hillary for all the reasons I mentioned before.
Beholding? Look matey...don't you ever get tired of publicly posting suppositions for which you have absolutely no proof?
Is there any tangible thought going on in there at all?
In July 2016, the Obama administration accepted unsolicited information from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat who just happened to have helped arrange a $25 million government donation to the Clinton Foundation years before. Downer said that he had witnessed a Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, bragging about some dirt that the Russians supposedly had on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.
Though Downer's claim was reported two-plus months after the alleged event, and was only hearsay gathered at a London tavern, the Obama administration gave it to the FBI which, in turn, thought it was weighty enough to justify opening a counterintelligence case against the lawfully elected Republican nominee for president.
In other words, the Democratic administration accepted dirt from a foreign friendly and used it to justify investigating its GOP rival.
In October 2016, less than three weeks from Election Day, the Obama Justice Department approved a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to spy on the Trump campaign through its former adviser, Carter Page. The primary evidence supporting the warrant? A dossier written by a foreign friendly named Christopher Steele, a retired MI6 intelligence agent from Great Britain. Of course, the Justice Department and the FBI forgot to tell the courts that Steele actually was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign, but that's a small detail for the purpose of this column.
For the second time in three months, the Obama administration took dirt on Trump from a foreign ally - this time, from one in Europe - and weaponized it for a criminal investigation.
If the situation was reverse and a democrat said what Trump said then every democrat would be justifying what that democrat said and I am sure republicans would be saying how dare he.
Beholding? Look matey...don't you ever get tired of publicly posting suppositions for which you have absolutely no proof?
Is there any tangible thought going on in there at all?
At least he is being honest about it. I am sure other political candidates regardless of party affiliation would also accept dirt on an opponent from a foreign entity and use it. This whining over trump saying he would take dirt on his opponents is nothing more than fake outrage by butt hurt sore losers of the 2016 election. If the situation was reverse and a democrat said what Trump said then every democrat would be justifying what that democrat said and I am sure republicans would be saying how dare he. Politicians tend to be do as we say not what we do. They will piss,bitch and moan about the opposing side doing something and years later do the same thing they complained about the opposing side doing.
Because the Forefathers did not intend a "Ruling Class" of people whos only occupation was to be a politician. They wanted citizen politicians that did their public service and returned home to their jobs or businesses. We have had other Presidents that have owned business. Trump's business is being run by his sons who do not work for the government.
Are you suggesting that countries and individuals didn't donate money to the Clinton Foundation to gain favor with HRC? Then why are HRC lost did the donation trickle off to nothing?
So now you have taken whataboutism to a new level. The fact is that no American politician has sold out his country like Trump and no a patriotic American would not take dirt from an adversary. No it is not alright and no Democrat would "justify" this behavior. Give it up. Trump is a traitor and has no place in the Whitehouse.
Accepting dirt on a political opponent is not selling out the country regardless of where that dirt comes from. So quit with your TDSer motivated hyperbole. Any politician running for office would take dirt on an opponent regardless of where that dirt comes from. So quit with the feigned outrage.
First, nobody except you says that the ONLY Russian objective was to sow misinformation. I explained that it is very easy to help Trump and sow misinformation that does not harm Trump's prospects to win. You can also spread misinformation to harm TRump's image AFTER he wins an election. You treat Russian policy makers like they are some crude idiots which is totally unrealistic.
You also greatly oversimplify my argument! I never said that the Russians liked Trump just because he said nice thing about them.
It was the nice things Trump said about Russia and the political positions he was promoting with respect to the EU and USA's role in NATO and Europe when he was berating the Europeans at a time when Russians
1 had annexed Crimea and suffered economic sanctions
2 intervened in Ukraine
3 saw EU flirting with Ukraine
4 saw the US anti-ballistic defense establishing bases in countries near Russia.
It was pretty clear than when a potential president says the things he said about Russia, EU and NATO that he was the best candidate by far Russians could hope for to have as a POTUS.
Back to the OT...
The President of the United States just admitted he'd take election campaign help from foreign agents.
It was not the Russian government which sent fake info to Steele.
I have explained numerous times in this thread that it was Russian citizens who were NOT acting on behalf of the Russian government. An individual informer can have many reasons to give false information. It may be a product of a honest mistake. A product of rumor one heard! It may be a deliberate lie in an attempt to boost his importance and get some cash reward. It can be anything!
I do not understand the question of " So how come that [FBI] obligation doesn't exist in 2020"?
And for the nth time: Russians are not simpletons. They can very well combine helping Trump to win the elections and sow chaos and political instability. Do you think we have a political stable environment now with Trump as POTUS?
Not surprising that you don't know what the laws state about receiving something of value from a foreign government. Wray does. The educated people of the world do. You and Trump don't.
They already knew Hillary could be bought.I have said from the beginning that it is oversimplification for anybody to believe that Trump would be just a Russian puppet. Nor does it makes sense to have the Russians expect that they could get control of Trump's actions. Still, they had reasonable expectations that Trump would be a MUCH better choice for them than Hillary for all the reasons I mentioned before.
I explained the reasoning!
First, it does not make sense (for all the reasons I explained before) to have the Russian government both trying to help Trump win the election and spread misinformation before the election to harm him, and second we have the FBI getting the information from Steele and directors from two different administrations did not find anything to suggest that Russian government was trying to undermine Trump by misinformation given to Steele. In fact, even AFTER the appointment of new directors DURING the Trump administration, their assessment remained the same. And that assessment (with HIGH confidence) was that the Russian government intervened during the elections to help Trump.
Adam Shift was spoofed by two comedians who said they were Russians and had naked pictures of Trump. He was more than happy to accept anything he thought they had. They have the tape of the phone call to Shift. So spare me. :roll:Except only Trump is dumb enough to do this, all-but-admit he did it and say he'd do it again on national television. That's where the what-ifs fall flat.
So you try to support your conspiracy theory with a conspiracy theory from the internet. :lamo:lamo:lamoThere is a load of evidence that Trump is beholding to Putin. It is not my fault if you are too blind to see it. It started right after the Trump Tower meeting with Trump praising Putin and calling him a better leader than our President. Trump is a traitor to his country.
The Moscow Project
Adam Shift was spoofed by two comedians who said they were Russians and had naked pictures of Trump. He was more than happy to accept anything he thought they had. They have the tape of the phone call to Shift. So spare me. :roll:
But if the misinformation cannot be verified, it still serves the purpose of making the DNC avid to track down collusion.
That's purely to the end of sowing discord, since in the long run it does not really help Trump, only Russian interests.
So you try to support your conspiracy theory with a conspiracy theory from the internet. :lamo:lamo:lamo
It's called a conflict of interest. People and organizations with integrity make sure it doesn't happen.
Which is why Trump and many of his supporters demonstrably don't give a damn about it. Just read the posts on this thread. In fact, they defend this unethical behavior. Says a lot about them, don't you think?
There is a load of evidence that Trump is beholding to Putin. It is not my fault if you are too blind to see it. It started right after the Trump Tower meeting with Trump praising Putin and calling him a better leader than our President. Trump is a traitor to his country.
The Moscow Project
Like I said, Trump did not receive information about Clinton from Russians.
It continues to be true that Mrs. Clinton received information about Trump from Russians.
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