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We are going to still have access with little to no barriers. The EU needs our consumer buying power.
~ the EU will offer EU citizenship access to any Brit that wants ~
That's associated EU citizenship for Brits based in European countries. Surely it wouldn't apply to UK nationals living and working in the UK and this plan still might need approval by UK Gov.
I'm no great fan of the "who needs whom more or even most" theories either, nevertheless the fact that the EU sells more to the UK than it buys from there is often (almost comically) confused by ardent Brexiteers with some sort of favour being granted in the West-East cross channel direction. Recklessly ignored in this is that a country's trade deficit often results from its inability to sufficiently self-supply at acceptable effort and is not principally always a case of rolling in the money to such an extent that it needn't bother along those lines. Because it can simply buy what it's not producing.I appreciate the optimism Higgins, but I think it would be a reckless EU that allowed the UK to trade as normal without contributing to the overall project. I know that Brexiters are firmly of the belief that the EU needs the UK market more than the UK needs the EU market. I think the two are intrinsically co-dependent and that both will suffer.
The real issue is how hard the EU wants to make it. Nothing else. The treaty could be done in a very short period and not change any economically decisive terms of trade. If the negotiators wanted, the economic effects could actually be win/win. It is clear, however, that the EU cannot do that. Any number of EU dignitaries have said as much. The UK must not be as well or better off after its exit. That would destabilize the EU and risk its very existence.
We shall see. There are benefits of being an EU citizen that cant be transferred... free medical and such, because it relies on the cooperation of the country of origin. However, unlike the May government, the EU has come out in a positive way wanting to guarantee British citizens rights in the EU.. however that cant happen as long as the UK does not do the same for EU citizens in the UK.
I'm no great fan of the "who needs whom more or even most" theories either, nevertheless the fact that the EU sells more to the UK than it buys from there is often (almost comically) confused by ardent Brexiteers with some sort of favour being granted in the West-East cross channel direction. Recklessly ignored in this is that a country's trade deficit often results from its inability to sufficiently self-supply at acceptable effort and is not principally always a case of rolling in the money to such an extent that it needn't bother along those lines. Because it can simply buy what it's not producing.
It's indisputable that Brexit will hurt both sides and that the loss of the UK consumer market would (will) be a grave blow to EU suppliers. But one also needs to see the number of EU companies producing goods in the UK and, pertinently here, the share of those goods that then go back to the EU.~
Whistling in the dark!I'm always puzzled when people claim the EU will collapse because it could lose a market worth 16% of it exports.
Do you base your guesses on anything of substance (and concurrent analysis of same) or do you just voice what comes to mind?The EU is not a cohesive entity. Here the Commission is pulling one way and the most important Member State another. My guess is that the UK will end up with a deal leaving it more or less where it is now - but which the Eurocrats can portray as being worse off. Germany, which will be paying an even greater percentage of the EU's budget after the UK's departure, will decide.
True, I hope you read my comment of surprise when I heard Farage strongly suggest this on Wednesday? However it seems the UK Gov want to use those people as pawns. That's all beside the point however about those passports. Guy Verhofstadt is apparently pushing this idea quite hard but let's see where it ends up.
I'm always puzzled when people claim the EU will collapse because it could lose a market worth 16% of it exports.
And yet the UK wont, despite it losing 48% of its exports...
Well Farage needs to have an EU citizenship if he is to continue to have sex with his European lovers or even his wife who is GermanSeems he has a type!
You can't argue the case with a Brexiter. That market of 400 million will collapse because 60 million are leaving.
Hasn't he separated from his wife?
Well Farage needs to have an EU citizenship if he is to continue to have sex with his European lovers or even his wife who is GermanSeems he has a type!
I appreciate the optimism Higgins, but I think it would be a reckless EU that allowed the UK to trade as normal without contributing to the overall project. I know that Brexiters are firmly of the belief that the EU needs the UK market more than the UK needs the EU market. I think the two are intrinsically co-dependent and that both will suffer.
I addressed the car industry in relation to (and in) the UK in post #54.There is no indication based on the markets that the Euro zone can afford to be so picky when it comes to trade and who they export to. Companies like Renault, Audi etc are going to be whispering in there governments ears, we're a huge market for them.
You need to have EU citizenship to have sex with Europeans? We left a political economic union not the species
There is no indication based on the markets that the Euro zone can afford to be so picky when it comes to trade and who they export to. Companies like Renault, Audi etc are going to be whispering in there governments ears, we're a huge market for them.
In order to trade, England must still meet the EU standards, worker mobility, and state aid rules ~
Seems some Tories want a war with Spain now over Gib.... pathetic attempt to distract over the failing Brexit plan they have...
We are about to find out what happens when a nation becomes so uncertain about its economic future that it suddenly stops buying clothes ~
https://www.ft.com/content/4deb1d40-2b3c-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7In her toughest message on Brexit to date, Ms Merkel pledged that the EU would put its interests first and manage the negotiations in its chosen way.
This involves dealing first with the exit bill, in defiance of Britain’s demands for the financial issues to be handled at the same time as talks on a new relationship. .....~
~..............."I have to put it in such clear terms because unfortunately I have the feeling that some in Britain still have illusions,” said the chancellor, the EU’s most powerful leader. “But that would be a waste of time.”
Angela Merkel warns Britain over Brexit ‘illusions’
https://www.ft.com/content/4deb1d40-2b3c-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7
I'd certainly agree with her last comment above.
In view of this stance being nothing new (Merkel has been saying this all along), Theresa May immediately responding by calling it all a conspiracy by "the 27" seems to justify the call of "get real".
Of course May knows all of this, it's just playing to the gallery of the coming snap election.
If anyone thought things could get no more dishonest than with Boris and Co., better get real as well.
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