[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Ginza]

"History repeats itself; first as tragedy, second as farce."

The EU has certainly created both a tragedy and a farce with it disastrous vaccine roll out.

A tragedy that will cost lives.

A tragedy that the UK has escaped due to Brexit.

 

[Ginza]

The magic triangle, Mainz, Frankfurt and Marburg. The Pharmacy of the world, at work again.

It's as if the eternally arrogant Germans have never heard of Oxford University or the vaccine that was invented there, Astra Zeneca.

A vaccine that will save lives in the EU.

"We would like to thank our many colleagues at AstraZeneca, Oxford University, the UK government and the tens of thousands of clinical trial participants.”

"not only are we responsible for discovering the first treatment to reduce mortality for Covid-19, this vaccine will be made available to some of the poorest regions of the world at a low cost, helping protect countless people from this awful disease. It is a tribute to the incredible UK scientists at Oxford University and AstraZeneca whose breakthrough will help to save lives around the world."

AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine authorised for emergency supply in the UK

www.astrazeneca.com

 

[Ginza]

I know you dislike Germany and Muslims.

You know nothing, John Snow. (Google is your friend).

But I do dislike arrogant people and Islamic terrorists....so if you feel you fit either description, then you'll just have to wear it.

And don't forget that it is the Germans and Dutch who an EU study found were the most islamophobic whilst those great English speaking nations, the UK and USA were found to be the least Islamophobic.

"Germany and the Netherlands turned out to display relatively high levels of anti-Muslim attitudes, whereas these levels were relatively low in Great-Britain and the USA."

Comparing levels of anti-Muslim attitudes across Western countries | Request PDF

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[Peter King]

Then why say it?

You will hear the "bleeding hearts" say "they are as British as you or I". What else are they attempting to imply?

If they were born in the UK from parents with a UK passport and in possession of a UK passport, well then technically they are "british" but not when it comes to standing for their views. They were implying the reality of the situation.d

Yeah, but by then he was exhausted and completely out of creative ideas.

Wrong as usual, it was his finishing touch, the cream of the crop. For one reason that is that we are the tallest people in the world (and some of the happiest).

 

[Ginza]

that is that we are the tallest people in the world

Which just goes to show that not ALL the effects of inbreeding are negative...

"Consanguinity and Endogamy in the Netherlands: Demographic and Medical Genetic Aspects"

https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/360761

 

[Peter King]

Which just goes to show that not ALL the effects of inbreeding are negative...

"Consanguinity and Endogamy in the Netherlands: Demographic and Medical Genetic Aspects"

https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/360761

Why don't you try reading the personal attempts at insult links you post, you are looking totally foolish for it.

Because the story just states that it has declined seriously since 1840 and even the data of 1840 was a poor representation because it mostly used data from biblical areas and other religious regions and it ignored the areas where this was almost certainly not to happen. So the gist of the story was that in the Dutch people inbreeding (of first cousins) mostly happened in 1840 or earlier and declined continuously since then and only really is prevalent in immigrated people from areas where this kind of consanguinity is normal.

But it just shows you have no position other than trying to insult people who point to the foolishness of your comments.

 

[Ginza]

Why don't you try reading the personal attempts at insult links you post

I haven't a clue what that means but I assume that you are so angry that you can't think straight and are just blabbering.

When you calm down and can write something that makes sense, let me know.

If you decide to be a braggart, don't be surprised if someone knocks you off your soap box.

Do you really think that the "Department of Clinical Genetics and EMGO Institute of Health Care Research, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands" are just making up insults about Dutch people and that the work of these Dutch academics is somehow meaningless, because YOU want it to be, just so you can brag about Dutch people being tall?

Er, I don't think so.

Seems like you didn't understand why I posted an emoji, something I seldom do.

 

[Peter King]

I haven't a clue what that means but I assume that you are so angry that you can't think straight and are just blabbering.

When you calm down and can write something that makes sense, let me know.

If you decide to be a braggart, don't be surprised if someone knocks you off your soap box.

Do you really think that the "Department of Clinical Genetics and EMGO Institute of Health Care Research, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands" are just making up insults about Dutch people and that the work of these Dutch academics is somehow meaningless, because YOU want it to be, just so you can brag about Dutch people being tall?

Er, I don't think so.

Seems like you didn't understand why I posted an emoji, something I seldom do.

More nonsense I see, saying you are just engaging in petty insults is not "so angry I cannot think straight".

Again, you clearly did not read the study but then again that was never the intention. Also, how is this related to Brexit? If you truly are so envious of the image the image in my signature that you have to engage in petty insults, well then that is just a sad state of affair is.

And I was not bragging, just stating a fact.

 

[Ginza]

how is this related to Brexit?

Lol! You are so funny.

You just love playing the victim.

It was YOU who started the exchange by bragging "we are the tallest people in the world".

What had your boasting got to do with Brexit?

 

[german hick]

But it just shows you have no position other than trying to insult people who point to the foolishness of your comments.

indeed
I tried hard but failed to stand that
good luck!

 

[Peter King]

Lol! You are so funny.

You just love playing the victim.

It was YOU who started the exchange by bragging "we are the tallest people in the world".

What had your boasting got to do with Brexit?

Me the victim

You are as always hilariously wrong.

And bragging? No, it was not me who started this, that was you and nobody else but you.

 

[Ginza]

And bragging? No, it was not me who started this, that was you and nobody else but you.

Er, was it me who said that the Dutch were the tallest people in the world, or you?

Let me help : It was YOU.

I merely responded to your boasting by linking to the research article by Dutch academics proving how inbred the Dutch are.

Which obviously upset you and triggered your anger.

 

[Peter King]

Er, was it me who said that the Dutch were the tallest people in the world, or you?

Let me help : It was YOU.

I merely responded to your boasting by linking to the research article by Dutch academics proving how inbred the Dutch are.

Which obviously upset you and triggered your anger.

Still remembering things selectively, I posted my signature and you responded that god created they Dutch because he was (and I quote):

Yeah, but by then he was exhausted and completely out of creative ideas.

To which I made the comment about the tall Dutch, as I said, you started this with your petty insults, compounded by more petty insults about inbreeding in the Netherlands. So stop playing the victim, because I most certainly am not.

 

[Valery]

In the case of Moslems, they mostly isolate themselves due to their religious texts informing them of the dangers of associating with Infidels.

Do you have any statistics of that or are you making things up?

No single reason explains why people become violent extremists, but it often happens when someone is trying to fill a deep personal need. For example, a person may feel alone or lack meaning and purpose in life. Those who are emotionally upset after a stressful event also may be vulnerable to recruitment. Some people also become violent extremists because they disagree with government policy, hate certain types of people, don’t feel valued or appreciated by society, or think they have limited chances to succeed.

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

In the aftermath of any terrorist act, our instinct is to try to make sense of the brutality by assigning a person’s or a group’s violent radicalization to one or two probable causes: religious extremism and economic disparity, for example.

If we could only find a simple cause, our thinking goes, we might find a simple solution(...) Inevitably, such narrow-sighted reactions only make the problem evolve into a different, and potentially more dangerous, beast.(...)

Decades of research have, thus far, not revealed any common psychopathological symptoms among terrorists. They appear to want some of the same things most of us want: recognition from their peers and communities and better lives for the people they care about.

Why people become terrorists

How violent extremism emerges from complex social systems.

sfiscience.medium.com

Many young people often join terrorist organizations because they are looking for an identity for themselves. A 2010 study from the United States Institute of Peace found that among "2,032 'foreign fighters'" who joined al-Qaeda, being a so-called "identity seeker" was the largest reason to join a terrorist organization.

5 Reasons Why Young People Become Terrorists

What causes a young person to become a terrorist?

www.buzzfeednews.com

Secondly, there is no call for Muslims to isolate themselves. Certainly there are risks in dealing with non-Muslims, but there are also positive sides to it, and, furthermore, it is necessary.

 

[Sven Karma]

The EU has certainly created both a tragedy and a farce with it disastrous vaccine roll out.

A tragedy that will cost lives.

A tragedy that the UK has escaped due to Brexit.

Pyrrhic victory since it doesn't begin to make up for the thorough ineptitude of the UK gov in so many other pandemic decisions.

 

[Ginza]

Pyrrhic victory since it doesn't begin to make up for the thorough ineptitude of the UK gov in so many other pandemic decisions.

Just because virtually the whole world, including most EU nations, are in agreement that the EU vaccine rollout has been chaotic and poorly managed doesn't make it a "victory" for the UK....so why call it a victory? Nobody has aid that.

You're obviously criticising the UK as a knee jerk reaction to all the much worse criticism of the EU.

It's a really childish reaction.

 

[Ginza]

Do you have any statistics of that or are you making things up?

Sigh!

Why not read up yourself on the issue before making silly accusations? :

Why Arabs in the West cannot integrate into host societies | Baha al-Awam | AW

So, how can a Muslim be expected to integrate when his sheikhs keep telling him that wishing a Merry Christmas to a Christian or accepting a gift from a Christian neighbour on eid day is “haram”?

thearabweekly.com

"how can a Muslim be expected to integrate when his sheikhs keep telling him that wishing a Merry Christmas to a Christian or accepting a gift from a Christian neighbour on eid day is “haram”? How can a Muslim child be expected to strike a friendship with a Christian child when the former’s schoolbooks tell him that the latter is a “kafir”?

"Political Islam groups in the West thwarting attempts to integrate Arab migrants into new societies are no less ugly than those Arab regimes. Their distorted and hateful fatwas and rulings do nothing but nourish the new immigrants’ hate for the West."

"When Arabs withdraw into their communities, they develop a negative attitude towards life in European countries and remain vigorously attached to their countries of origin by closely following events there. It is as if their bodies are in the West while their minds and souls are roaming the streets and neighbourhoods of the countries they left."

"Can we expect those who consider television an “illegitimate novelty” to be capable of correcting themselves and of reconciling themselves with the inventors of this “evil” device?"

 

[PeteEU]

Sigh!

Why not read up yourself on the issue before making silly accusations? :

Why Arabs in the West cannot integrate into host societies | Baha al-Awam | AW

So, how can a Muslim be expected to integrate when his sheikhs keep telling him that wishing a Merry Christmas to a Christian or accepting a gift from a Christian neighbour on eid day is “haram”?

thearabweekly.com

"how can a Muslim be expected to integrate when his sheikhs keep telling him that wishing a Merry Christmas to a Christian or accepting a gift from a Christian neighbour on eid day is “haram”? How can a Muslim child be expected to strike a friendship with a Christian child when the former’s schoolbooks tell him that the latter is a “kafir”?

"Political Islam groups in the West thwarting attempts to integrate Arab migrants into new societies are no less ugly than those Arab regimes. Their distorted and hateful fatwas and rulings do nothing but nourish the new immigrants’ hate for the West."

"When Arabs withdraw into their communities, they develop a negative attitude towards life in European countries and remain vigorously attached to their countries of origin by closely following events there. It is as if their bodies are in the West while their minds and souls are roaming the streets and neighbourhoods of the countries they left."

"Can we expect those who consider television an “illegitimate novelty” to be capable of correcting themselves and of reconciling themselves with the inventors of this “evil” device?"

Hilarious... guessing you have never been an expat in another country. We white people hardly integrate in the countries we move too...

 

[Sven Karma]

Just because virtually the whole world, including most EU nations, are in agreement that the EU vaccine rollout has been chaotic and poorly managed doesn't make it a "victory" for the UK....so why call it a victory? Nobody has aid that.

You're obviously criticising the UK as a knee jerk reaction to all the much worse criticism of the EU.

It's a really childish reaction.

Sad! And as usual, inaccurate.

The neanderthal media you source most of your disinformation have been falling over themselves to refer to a UK 'vaccine victory' over the EU:

UK vaccine victory: Boris secures another 40 million jabs

BORIS JOHNSON has secured a further 40 million jabs of the Valneva vaccine, it has been confirmed today, in another boost for the immunisation programme.

www.express.co.uk

Boris's double vaccine victory over the EU

During two phone calls just 30 minutes apart, Boris Johnson made European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen ditch plans to stop 3.5 million doses of the Pfizer jab from reaching the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UK declares double victory in Covid fight as infections drop and EU backs down

Supplies of Pfizer vaccine made in Belgium and bound for Britain will not be disrupted after the European Union backed down amid hopes of light at the end of the tunnel

www.mirror.co.uk

Britain's vaccine victory spells a comeback for Johnsonian sunny optimism

If he can grasp the opportunity handed to him, the PM may well be able to end the year on a high

www.telegraph.co.uk

The rollout is BoJo's "Falklands moment" ... Shame the actual Falklands are getting screwed over by Brexit eh

 

[Sven Karma]

When Brexiters hear the word culture they reach for their revolver.

Joseph Middleton: Brexit is destroying music. Why has the government let this happen?

Despite repeated assurances that the government understood the need for frictionless travel after Brexit, hugely increased bureaucracy and costs look set to devastate the present – and the future – of musicians and music-making in the UK

www.theguardian.com

The government provided repeated assurances to the music sector throughout 2020 (questions raised in parliament on 3 June, 22 June, 10 September, 21 October, 16 November and 22 December) that it understood the need for frictionless travel after Brexit and that they would be negotiating an ambitious agreement to achieve this objective with the EU.

 

[Schrott]

It's as if the eternally arrogant Germans have never heard of Oxford University or the vaccine that was invented there, Astra Zeneca.

A vaccine that will save lives in the EU.

"We would like to thank our many colleagues at AstraZeneca, Oxford University, the UK government and the tens of thousands of clinical trial participants.”

"not only are we responsible for discovering the first treatment to reduce mortality for Covid-19, this vaccine will be made available to some of the poorest regions of the world at a low cost, helping protect countless people from this awful disease. It is a tribute to the incredible UK scientists at Oxford University and AstraZeneca whose breakthrough will help to save lives around the world."

AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine authorised for emergency supply in the UK

www.astrazeneca.com

It is the eternal arrogant British, who assumes, that nobody knows about Oxford.

You have to do some research about the Oxford juice, it ain't good. Screwed up Phase 3 testing, limited age groups and now with the SA and UK mutations it shows very limited effectiveness. Useless against the SA mutation. South Africa has suspended its use.
Were as, bioNtech covers the UK mutation and the SA mutation with a effectiveness of 95% to nearly 99%.
Preliminary lab tests suggest that it will have the same quality against the Brazilian mutation.

Oxford had to start all over to cover those new mutations and thinks in 6 month they can start with Phase 3 testing.
Which means that maybe by the end of the year, they might get a EUA.
Meanwhile curevac of Germany has started the rolling EUA at EMA. Its a mRNA which can be stored long term at 40F and covers all known mutations.

Made in Germany

 

[Ginza]

guessing you have never been an expat in another country.

As usual, your guess is wrong.

As can be read upthread, I have been an "expat" since the age of 10...and in several countries.

QUOTE="PeteEU, post: 1073489689, member: 2747"]
We white people hardly integrate in the countries we move too...
[/QUOTE]

A great example of the typical leftie who loves to criticise his own people.

My integration was so poor that I married a lady in one of the countries I was an expat in.

Surely, you can do better than to make silly allegations against me personally.

 

[Ginza]

South Africa has suspended its use.

The same country whose president said that you could avoid aids by taking a shower after sex?

You really are a laugh a minute and that comment virtually defines "scraping the barrel".

"Zuma says he showered to reduce risk of HIV"

Zuma says he showered to reduce risk of HIV

Former South African Deputy President Jacob Zuma revealed today that he believed taking a shower would reduce the risk of infection…

www.irishtimes.com

You have to do some research about the Oxford juice, it ain't good.

So bad then that the EU has placed an order for 400 million doses?

Your envy of the British is yet again getting the better of you.

Or is it your embarrassment that a German EU leader has made such a mess of the EU vaccine rollout?

"The European Union last year agreed to buy up to 400 million doses of the vaccine, and Australia has bought 53 million doses."

AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab approved in the EU despite Germany's concerns

Europe's medicines regulator approves AstraZeneca and Oxford University's COVID-19 vaccine for people over the age of 18, despite Germany raising concerns about its efficacy in the elderly.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Ginza]

The neanderthal media you source most of your disinformation have been falling over themselves to refer to a UK 'vaccine victory' over the EU

You really don't understand simple English, do you?

What I said was "Just because virtually the whole world, including most EU nations, are in agreement that the EU vaccine rollout has been chaotic and poorly managed doesn't make it a "victory" for the UK"

The chaotic vaccine rollout by the EU is not a victory for anyone. People will die because of it.

Boris and the UK governments efficient and well managed rollout of the vaccine may well be seen as a "victory" for them as it will enhance their standing and reputation.

 

[Ginza]