[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Big Eye]

btw that was not a thumbs for liking this i wanted to express dismay for those who lost and are losing their jobs it's not a nice feeling ... other sites when you click i like give you the option to show happiness, sadness, anger etc

You only need the angry one lol...

 

[Big Eye]

Just to make clear to people...70% of the fish quota in U.K. waters is taken by non U.K. vessels.

 

[Godric1970]

Just to make clear to people...70% of the fish quota in U.K. waters is taken by non U.K. vessels.

who signed up to that deal ... Margret Thatcher did .... EU never twisted her arm she signed up to it willingly .... she was not interested in the fishing industry she was more concerned about getting her opt outs from the EU ... the fishing industry was her make weight .... Scotland will not sign up to the same deal ... it will be a revised deal


and btw the tories are still not interested in the fishing industry .... they are using it as a excuse

 

[Big Eye]

who signed up to that deal ... Margret Thatcher did .... EU never twisted her arm she signed up to it willingly .... she was not interested in the fishing industry she was more concerned about getting her opt outs from the EU ... the fishing industry was her make weight .... Scotland will not sign up to the same deal ... it will be a revised deal


and btw the tories are still not interested in the fishing industry .... they are using it as a excuse

What the **** makes you think that Scotland could make demands of the EU? They probably wouldn’t even allow you to join never mind accept demands from you lol !

 

[Big Eye]

U.K. independence...companies clamour to set up offices here.

 

[Godric1970]

U.K. independence...companies clamour to set up offices here.

it will be English Independence ... the UK is finished .... the latest poll has the Tories & Unionists panic stricken

 

[Godric1970]

What the **** makes you think that Scotland could make demands of the EU? They probably wouldn’t even allow you to join never mind accept demands from you lol !

wishful thinking on your part they have already said they want Scotland to remain part of the EU ... to the anger & anguish of the Express and Mail as they can no longer trot out their lies of Scotland not being wanted in the EU

 

[Big Eye]

it will be English Independence ... the UK is finished .... the latest poll has the Tories & Unionists panic stricken

Well they don’t have many English people panic stricken lol ! If there happens to be another vote I really hope you chaps bugger off ...but I already know you won’t...which is a bit annoying. I wonder if there has ever been another time in history where national independence has involved handing the direction of your country over to a far bigger entity? It really demonstrates the vacuousness of the SNP position...you people are an absolute joke but it’s good fun to watch!

 

[Big Eye]

wishful thinking on your part they have already said they want Scotland to remain part of the EU ... to the anger & anguish of the Express and Mail as they can no longer trot out their lies of Scotland not being wanted in the EU

“Remain”? You’ve already left ...****ing hell , do keep up!

 

[Godric1970]

Well they don’t have many English people panic stricken lol ! If there happens to be another vote I really hope you chaps bugger off ...but I already know you won’t...which is a bit annoying. I wonder if there has ever been another time in history where national independence has involved handing the direction of your country over to a far bigger entity? It really demonstrates the vacuousness of the SNP position...you people are an absolute joke but it’s good fun to watch!

you are in for a big shock the unionist won last time by making promises they had no intention of keeping it will not work a 2nd time

 

[Manc Skipper]

Those who are against Brexit, whether bitter EU citizens or British remainers, cannot deny that probably the most respected, knowledgeable and influential economic body in Europe, the OECD has predicted more GDP growth for the UK over 2020/2021 than it does for the EU.

Why anyone would believe the thumb suck, unsubstantiated predictions of doom and gloom from the anti-Brexit mob rather than the OECD is beyond any logic.

The OECD shows UK GDP declining 2,5% over 2020/2021 whilst it has the EU GDP declining 2,8%.

This after the UK had higher GDP growth than the EU in 2019.

Brexit will certainly have a short term negative effect on UK GDP but even with this disadvantage, the UK is seen by the OECD as being better off than the EU.

OECD Economic Outlook

Trade tensions are high and could worsen. Concerns about financial vulnerabilities have risen, including in financial institutions, housing markets and low-income countries

www.oecd.org

Short term negative effects as brief as a generation. Or two...

Two, 50 or 100 years: when do leavers think Brexit will pay off?

Jacob Rees-Mogg says the benefits of leaving the EU may not be felt for 50 years – and he’s not the only Eurosceptic asking the people of Britain to wait patiently

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sven Karma]

It’s a paradox that given the fact that many remainers, EUers and leftists clearly despise the English (as demonstrated by this thread)...that they are also traumatised by the fact that we have left. I think it is because in their heart of hearts they know it signals the end of their empire building. Without the U.K. balance is lost and the Germans will not allow the direction of the EU to be governed by France, Italy and Spain. Accept it chaps , the game is up.

You do know that 'England' is not the same as 'UK'?

 

[Sven Karma]

Boris Johnson is dancing with danger by threatening a crash-out Brexit | Andrew Rawnsley

Rishi Sunak and Michael Gove are among the cabinet ministers increasingly terrified by the consequences of failing to reach a deal with the EU

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jack Hays]

Brexit Transition – POLITICO
www.politico.eu › section › brexit

1 hour ago — All the latest news, polling, analysis and comment about the UK's departure from the European Union. Recent articles ...

 

[Manc Skipper]

You are obviously not aware that British fishermen only catch 40% of the fish caught in British waters.

English fisherman will have more than enough water to fish in without competition from EU fishermen and even Scottish fishermen, in the unlikely event that Scotland leaves the UK. The vast majority of the fish caught by Scottish fishermen is sold in the rest of the UK anyway.

Did you know another interesting point? UK Fishing boats currently run on EU subsidised fuel costing around 30p a litre . After we finally leave the EU, ( 1st January) it will cost £1.40 litre . That’s on top of the new tariffs they will have to pay to sell their expensive fish to the EU!

 

[Sven Karma]

Did you know another interesting point? UK Fishing boats currently run on EU subsidised fuel costing around 30p a litre . After we finally leave the EU, ( 1st January) it will cost £1.40 litre . That’s on top of the new tariffs they will have to pay to sell their expensive fish to the EU!

Brexiteer fishing vessels are the ones with the bumper sticker that reads 'This boat is fuelled by pixie dust!'

 

[Ginza]

Short term negative effects as brief as a generation. Or two...

According to the OECD predictions, there won't be any negative effects as the UK is predicted to have a higher increase in GDP than the EU over 2020/21.

So perhaps I am being too negative. Must be all the predictions of doom and gloom from bitter EU citizens and disappointed remainers.

 

[Ginza]

Did you know another interesting point? UK Fishing boats currently run on EU subsidised fuel costing around 30p a litre . After we finally leave the EU, ( 1st January) it will cost £1.40 litre . That’s on top of the new tariffs they will have to pay to sell their expensive fish to the EU!

Did you know that the UK is paying for any subsidised fuel indirectly by means of the tens of billions of pounds it pays to the EU?

Did you know that they don't have to sell any fish to the EU? The EU actually exports more to the UK so the UK fiscus will receive more in tariffs than the EU and EU goods will become more expensive in the UK thus favouring UK manufacturers/producers?

 

[Ginza]

"Jacob Rees Mogg said that the benefits of leaving the EU may not be felt for 50 years."

That's actually not what he said.

The same article in the anti-Tory Guardian quotes him as saying :

“We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,”

So Mogg is not saying that the benefits will not be felt for 50 years, but that the "full consequences" may not be known for a long time.....which has a completely different meaning. He is not discounting immediate benefits and is actually implying that the benefits will continue for many, many years...as I am sure they will.

 

[Ginza]

you are in for a big shock the unionist won last time by making promises they had no intention of keeping it will not work a 2nd time

Thumb suck, unsubstantiated claims are no substitute for the actual results of the last independence referendum and the last election when the SNP did not receive 50% of the vote.

 

[Ginza]

..the latest poll has the Tories & Unionists panic stricken

Er, polls don't reflect level of panic, my Little Scotlander.

And most Tories I know will be extremely happy that their party will have a stronger hold on Westminster if the Scottish MP's are no longer a thorn in their side.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Did you know that the UK is paying for any subsidised fuel indirectly by means of the tens of billions of pounds it pays to the EU?

Did you know that they don't have to sell any fish to the EU? The EU actually exports more to the UK so the UK fiscus will receive more in tariffs than the EU and EU goods will become more expensive in the UK thus favouring UK manufacturers/producers?

How much of the subsidy is the UK's share, and how much will the UK be subsidising it's fishermen from the new year? Almost the entire UK-landed langoustine catch goes to Europe. Virtually none is consumed here. The UK fish market is broadly confined to three species. Cod, haddock, and herring. The rest is exported. What fish do we import?

Jimmy Buchan. A Scottish skipper lamenting the fact that he has to sell his catch to Europe because nobody here eats it! FIVE YEARS ago!

 

[Jean-s]

Brexiteer fishing vessels are the ones with the bumper sticker that reads 'This boat is fuelled by pixie dust!'

The Scottish Tory who could not get elected in Scotland if he tried blames the European Union for the failure of his father's fishing business. There is something deeply personal under the surface when it comes to his intransigence regarding a fishing agreement between the Brexiteer Tories and the European Union.

 

[Ginza]

we had long standing trading ties with the Hanseatic league and some of Scotland's oldest documents remain in Hamburg .... we also had ties with the Dutch as we got all our wheat from Netherlands/Holland we had trade links with Germanic traders going back before the creation of Scotland in 862AD and as for the Auld Alliance/Vieille Alliance (An Seann-chaidreachas) according to prominent historians it was never renounced by Scotland/Alba (Ala-Pa) or France/Fraunc so when Scots landed on Normandy and the 51st Highland Division fought on in '40 after Dunkirk they were essentially fulfilling their/our obligation under the treaty

And do you seriously believe all this is relevant today?

 

[Ginza]

The EU has not caved yet

Lol! You have obviously "overlooked" the number of times over the last couple of years they have said that their position will not change....only for them to go back on their word.

And the EU does need to show how hard it is to leave the EU

Of course it does. There is widespread unhappiness with the EU which you appear blind to :

The pro-Remain Guardian had the following to say before the brexit referendum :

" a Eurobarometer poll earlier this year found more than half saying that the lives of children in the EU would be "more difficult" than their own."

"European citizens actively engaging in an EU-wide democratic process. But, irony of ironies, they do so to vote against the EU."

Europe: the continent for every type of unhappy | Timothy Garton Ash

Timothy Garton Ash: European union is meant to provide better lives – a means, not an end. It is now clear the old politics is no longer the answer

www.theguardian.com

it is called facts.. stuff that Brits actually dont get taught in school.. very few know of the Bengal famine caused by Churchill..

Wow! Now your anti-British side is showing big time. Can't hide it any more huh?

The weather caused the Bengal famine, sunshine. Whether Churchill's policies made it worse has been debated but nobody with any intelligence is claiming that he did so deliberately.

Perhaps, in your haste to criticise anything British you have forgotten that your dear, but failing EU, would not exist if Britain (under Churchill) and its former colonies had not freed Western Europe from European fascists....disgusting people that were widely supported in Denmark.

The British Empire was created because the British could not hack it on the continent.

What nonsense. When did the British try to "hack it" on the continent?

The British brought civilisation to much of the world. The British did more than any other nation to end slavery...and were the first nation to make slavery illegal.

What civilisation did Danes (and other Vikings) bring to Britain? They just raped and pillaged. At least the Romans brought civilisation, as did the French.

"but starving millions of Indians, killing 10s of thousands of Boers"

They didn't intentionally starve any Indians. The Boers invaded British territory. Why would Britain not defend its own people? The British are not like the Danes who threw up their hands at the first sign of German aggression and actively supported the Nazis :

"Denmark Apologizes for Aiding Nazis"

Denmark Apologizes for Aiding Nazis – DW – 05/05/2005

Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Wednesday officially apologized on behalf of Denmark for the extradition of innocent people to Nazi Germany during the World War II, calling it "shameful."

www.dw.com

Express? HAHAH, you actually believe what they say?

I do when they quote respected sources. I would even believe someone as bitter and angry as yourself, if you were ever to shock me by quoting a respected source.