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Well, this is the week it all starts for real. Things are likely to start slowly but will heat up pretty quickly - probably not before (as stated on Breakfast TV this morning) the German elections.
I'll post and add to this thread (hopefully there'll be lots of relevant contributions over time) as we progress. How will "Brexit" go - I suppose that depends on whether you voted Remain or Leave.
What are your hopes for the process and outcome? (The basic outcome is "we're out" but will it be a disaster or will we be able to make it a success?
There will not be a particularly 'hard' Brexit because the EU - read Germany - needs continued low or zero tariffs more than does the UK. Even if trade were to be conducted on WTO terms that would be no disaster. Most of world trade is done under WTO rules, very successfully.
When, eventually, there is another 'independence' referendum in Scotland the Jocks will vote to stay in the UK by an even bigger majority than last time. Partly so that thy can continue to blame öthe results of their own failings on the wicked English. And partly because they know on which side their bread is buttered.
Well, this is the week it all starts for real. Things are likely to start slowly but will heat up pretty quickly - probably not before (as stated on Breakfast TV this morning) the German elections.
I'll post and add to this thread (hopefully there'll be lots of relevant contributions over time) as we progress. How will "Brexit" go - I suppose that depends on whether you voted Remain or Leave.
What are your hopes for the process and outcome? (The basic outcome is "we're out" but will it be a disaster or will we be able to make it a success?
I think the EU will flourish now that we do not have the big whiny Brits to deal with when making agreements and deals. But the EU will not move forward into one nation and will deal with some of the issues which the British had with the EU.
I think for the UK it will be a less rosy time.
Yes because we were holding back the Eurozone for all these years :lamo
Yes because we were holding back the Eurozone for all these years :lamo
Actually the UK is/was part of the problem. Now the Eurozone has many problems, but when the Eurozone wanted to do something about it, like creating bank regulations in the EU.. guess who blocked that?
That's what I call an interesting take and, come the weekend, I'll share it at a party with some French and German neighbors.Oh I agree we were a pain in the butt. Sometimes I think we saved you from yourselves
That doesn't sound quite right so I'm assuming you're meaning that others leaving may happen if the EU does NOT address many of the public fears and concerns.but overall, it'll be interesting to see how things progress once we have left. I don't think other countries will leave unless the EU moves to address many of the fears and concerns the public in many countries have.
Unfortunately I cannot but I saw a feature on German Satellite TV with their UK correspondent trying to discover and gauge "the soul" of the Brexiteer.Anyhow, very interesting program on TV last night. If you can see it, watch this.
BBC iPlayer - Question Time - Britain after Brexit
That's what I call an interesting take and, come the weekend, I'll share it at a party with some French and German neighbors.
~ That doesn't sound quite right so I'm assuming you're meaning that others leaving may happen if the EU does NOT address many of the public fears and concerns.
~ In Great Yarmouth (of course :roll~
predictions are not difficult, even now.~........A little extra delay to solve issues always helps. Anyhow, let me know how your friends react... :mrgreen:
Well, if the "unless" were replaced by an "if"in the sentence "I don't think other countries will leave unless the EU moves to address many of the fears and concerns........" that would be closer to home methinks. Obviously you were not going to say that the EU addressing fears and concerns would cause the leaving of others.Thought that was what I wrote?
Hence my sarcasm at the example picked. Let's by all means NOT address the fears and worries of Joe Bloggs not being able to get his trawler running anymore, let's take some eccentric local dork with a Rolls and tons of money to exemplify how daft the Brits are. Nothing like going in search of confirmation of clichés (and bollocks to you, German TV, while we're at it).A very Brexit region, affected by fishing quotas etc. There can be little avoiding the huge impact large numbers of arrivals have had on local services.
The UK is actually no exception in this sort of thing, the main solution by lazy and irresponsible governments toPeteEU will always make the point that local and national Govt should have reacted and taken the taxes paid by those new arrivals to fund local services. I have no idea why it hasn't happened but those who argued Remain while in govt didn't do what was necessary to minimise the impact and we had a very angry local populace as a result.
always having been selling the take of "claim all successes for ourselves, put the blame for all failures at Brussels' doorstep.Whatever we may think of them - they are voters and they weren't taken heed of.
Yup, totally agree.Same as the local low-paid jobs situation people complain about migrants taking the jobs - local Govt should have incentivised people to take up work instead of benefits. We will still have that situation after Brexit - those jobs need filling and locals still won't be taking them.
add politicos and media and shoot 'em all.:mrgreen:Voters eh, gotta love em.!
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A very Brexit region, affected by fishing quotas etc. There can be little avoiding the huge impact large numbers of arrivals have had on local services. PeteEU will always make the point that local and national Govt should have reacted and taken the taxes paid by those new arrivals to fund local services. I have no idea why it hasn't happened but those who argued Remain while in govt didn't do what was necessary to minimise the impact and we had a very angry local populace as a result. Whatever we may think of them - they are voters and they weren't taken heed of.
Same as the local low-paid jobs situation people complain about migrants taking the jobs - local Govt should have incentivised people to take up work instead of benefits. We will still have that situation after Brexit - those jobs need filling and locals still won't be taking them.
Voters eh, gotta love em.!
A very Brexit region, affected by fishing quotas etc. There can be little avoiding the huge impact large numbers of arrivals have had on local services. PeteEU will always make the point that local and national Govt should have reacted and taken the taxes paid by those new arrivals to fund local services. I have no idea why it hasn't happened but those who argued Remain while in govt didn't do what was necessary to minimise the impact and we had a very angry local populace as a result. Whatever we may think of them - they are voters and they weren't taken heed of.
~ Obviously you were not going to say that the EU addressing fears and concerns would cause the leaving of others ~
Not to make a meal of it though~
~ the influx of people has happened overtime, which gives local, regional and national government plenty of time to react and plan ~
~ I don't think other countries will leave unless the EU moves to address many of the fears and concerns the public in many countries have ~
What is surprising is the irrational behavior of the British government. Though, GB does seem to have voting rights in the Eu institutions and the majorities required for decisions on the Eu to remain unchanged till exit, it remains irresponsible to trigger at this time.
As to the negotiations from the side of the Eu, one real difficulty will be finding unanimity or concerning some policies even majorities. The external shock i.e. impact from the varying structures of Brexit will be very different from one member country to every other. For some a very hard exit would be excellent in principle and for others quite tough. Also to be mentioned is that an impact that might be mild in the first periods might be quite destructive a couple of years later.
This is all true for political, social and economic aspects. The centrifugal forces can be too great to withstand economically or relatively mild, if the Eu goes for a very soft Brexit. The consequences then could be explosive as groups around the member nations would see how beneficial it might be to leave. Similar problems occur with the treatment of Scotland, should it want to join the Eu.
Personally, I don't really think anyone can tell, what will happen. Ominous is the very idea that one might even dream of waiting to delay negotiations till after a member has held its elections or agreed a new administration a number of months, when there are only twentyfour to begin with or that knowing this it seems astounding that GB would trigger at this time.
Well, neither Germany nor Spain (to pick two somewhat juxtaposed economies) are a brim with seasonal agricultural workers of local (national) status.Pehaps not so much in Norfolk, where harvests are heavily mechanised, but next door in Lincolnshire they're already ringing alam bells about the lack of seasonal workers to pick the vegetable crops. They're not arriving from Europe due to the uncertainty and perceived hostitlty of the UK. They can't pay locals enough to do the work and the crops are ging to rot in the fields unless something radical is done.
Actually you'll find that those most enthusiastic about the EU are also those that feel that it doesn't merit much enthusiasm in its current manner of being operated (so far).:roflIronic that some of the most indoctrinated europhiles voted the EU will change to reflect that which drove Brexit
Wait for Theresa to invoke tomorrow and maybe that'll get thru to even the thickest skull, thus causing this rubbish to end.:mrgreen:Again WTF are you babbling on about, not triggering at this time? The UK voted out, the government is invoking the will of the people, and all sides want this **** done now. We'll end up with what we deserve. Whatever that ends up looking like.
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