[W:718] The west must hold its nerve on Ukraine

[Fledermaus]

all these "ELECTIONS" after 2014 military coup are simply illegal and rigged.

Stupid blanket statement.

 

[dandolo2k]

And yes. Bodies are evidence. Saying they aren't is rather stupid.

Surely. May be Ukraninans themselves killed all of them ? Or may be you killed all of them ? Since "Bodies" is the evidence, it proves the fault of anybody: the fault of Ukranian nazy gangs, or your own fault as well.
Think of extraudinary stupidity you have spotted with your statement !!!!!!!!!!
Then future discussian is senseless. You can prove whatever you want simply with the power of the "WORD" of your mouth, mr prophet.

 

[Rogue Valley]

all these "ELECTIONS" after 2014 military coup are simply illegal and rigged.

That's odd. Ukraine elections after 2014 were all monitored by the OSCE of which Russia is a member nation.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Russian war crimes in Mariupol.....

 

[Rogue Valley]

Then future discussian is senseless.

Go back to Putin, and don't return here.

 

[Fledermaus]

Surely. May be Ukraninans themselves killed all of them ? Or may be you killed all of them ? Since "Bodies" is the evidence, it proves the fault of anybody: the fault of Ukranian nazy gangs, or your own fault as well.
Think of extraudinary stupidity you have spotted with your statement !!!!!!!!!!
Then future discussian is senseless. You can prove whatever you want simply with the power of the "WORD" of your mouth, mr prophet.

Maybe...

Why would Ukrainians kill their own people with the Russians retreating?

And yes. They retreated.

Now the rest of my post

Your post was full of lies.

As are many of your posts.

I say many only because I haven't read all your posts.

As to "ORDERS of RADA, read the Orders of Zelensky, watch the VIDEO addresses of Ukranian troops" can you show where "criminal nazy gangs of Ukranin nationalists (officially Ukranine police), search and coscript by force all male population , located on controlled territories (even KIDS! even 60 years old men!), and send them to the front line to "serve as a cannon fodder".?

You do know Russia has approved a raise in the age of their soldiers...

From Pravda:

According to the State Duma website, people will now be able to serve in the army under a contract until they reach retirement age (which is 60 for women and 65 for men - ed.).

Russia’s Deputy Defence Minister clarified that it will be possible to sign the first contract for military service in Russia up until the age of 50.

Russian law used to provide that [Russian] citizens aged 18-40, and foreign nationals aged 18-30, could sign their first contract for military service.

Why do you lie so blatantly?

And yes. Bodies are evidence. Saying they aren't is rather stupid.

Well?

 

[Roadvirus]

The West and NATO has got to stay the course in Ukraine. We have to keep supplying Ukraine with what they need to defeat Russia.

I've seen Red Dawn (the original), a semi-crappy cautionary tale called Invasion, U.S.A. (1952 film) & play Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 & 3. I always thought Hollywood and the creators of CoD were just embellishing the cruelty of the Russians, but....

I thought the before and afters of Mariupol were heartbreaking enough. But i was wrong when i saw the more graphic pictures of Bucha. My stomach actually sunk. I knew what it was like to have a lump in my throat. To feel like crying for complete strangers thousands of miles away.

We were suppose to have learned after WWII. "Never again" we kept saying. "Never again will we let this happen".

Well...guess what? It's happening again. We need to stop it. And to do that, we need to give Ukraine whatever they need to end Russia's reign of terror.

 

[dandolo2k]

Well...guess what? It's happening again. We need to stop it. And to do that, we need to give Ukraine whatever they need to end Russia's reign of terror.

You need to stop it ? Go and fight, and spill your own blood instead of Ukraniane.
>> REMEMBER THE SURRENDER OF NAZY THUGS ON SNAKE ISLAND 13! REMEMBER THE STAGED FAKE SHOW OF BUCHA! REMEMBER UKRANIAN ATROCITIES FOR RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS.
ALL THESE "HEROS" WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!

 

[Rogue Valley]

REMEMBER THE STAGED FAKE SHOW OF BUCHA!

The Presidents and Prime Ministers of at least 30 nations visited Bucha and Irpin to see Russia's war crimes with their own eyes.

They are all lying?

This is Russia, the same country that shot down Malaysian Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine killing all 298 aboard.

 

[dandolo2k]

The Presidents and Prime Ministers of at least 30 nations visited Bucha and Irpin to see Russia's war crimes with their own eyes.

They are all lying?

This is Russia, the same country that shot down Malaysian Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine killing all 298 aboard.

YES. Correct . THEY ARE ALL LYING. It does not matter how many "presidents" confirm this outragous fake event. The lies remain just lies.
Malaysian Flight MH17 was shot down by Western Intel agencies working together with Ukranina militants. The authorites directing the flight knew that the route crosses war zone , and deliberatly sent it there. You all know why they did it.
Russia has zero interest in downing the plane, knowing it will be certainly accused of it. This is just another dirty political show staged by Western propaganda machine. The folks in the plane paid with their lives for this mean and despicable performance.

 

[Fledermaus]

You need to stop it ? Go and fight, and spill your own blood instead of Ukraniane.

Why aren't you out helping the rape and pillage army of Russia?

REMEMBER THE SURRENDER OF NAZY THUGS ON SNAKE ISLAND 13!

No. Since that isn't what happened. There was a surrender of Ukrainian military. But no Nazi thugs.

REMEMBER THE STAGED FAKE SHOW OF BUCHA! REMEMBER

No. Since that isn't what happened. We do remember the slaught of civilians by Russian forces.

UKRANIAN ATROCITIES FOR RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS.

Can't remember what hasn't been shown. Please share these "atrocities".

ALL THESE "HEROS" WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!

For what?

 

[Fledermaus]

YES. Correct . THEY ARE ALL LYING. It does not matter how many "presidents" confirm this outragous fake event. The lies remain just lies.

Malaysian Flight MH17 was shot down by Western Intel agencies working together with Ukranina militants. The authorites directing the flight knew that the route crosses war zone , and deliberatly sent it there. You all know why they did it.

Well. If you are going to lie.... Lie big.
Malaysian Flight MH17 was shot down by a BUK under the control of Russian backed insurgents. There is even a social media post bragging of the act that was deleted once the aircraft's ID was known.

Russia has zero interest in downing the plane, knowing it will be certainly accused of it.

But Russian insurgents are more than happy to down what they believed to be a Ukrainian transport.

This is just another dirty political show staged by Western propaganda machine. The folks in the plane paid with their lives for this mean and despicable performance.

Another Russian lie.

 

[Rogue Valley]

YES. Correct . THEY ARE ALL LYING.

You are all the way down the Kremlin propaganda rabbit-hole and either you refuse to see it or you refuse to acknowledge it.

You're not that far from Ukraine. Drive into Kharkiv and see for yourself what your war-criminal military has done.

 

[flogger]

You are all the way down the Kremlin propaganda rabbit-hole and either you refuse to see it or you refuse to acknowledge it.

You're not that far from Ukraine. Drive into Kharkiv and see for yourself what your war-criminal military has done.

It doesnt matter what some of us think or wishfully hope for in the West. Once the lights start going out, granny freezes and the wheels of industry stop turning in Europe this winter the resolve to support Ukraine will falter and then fail.

As I've said elsewhere after Pelosi's visit to Taiwan today a probable Chinese response to that may be the supplying of Russia with the high tech weaponry and drones its craved where it was reluctant to do so before.

Due to such factors the only outcome I can see is Russian victory over the medium term sadly

 

[Fledermaus]

It doesnt matter what some of us think or wishfully hope for in the West. Once the lights start going out, granny freezes and the wheels of industry stop turning in Europe this winter the resolve to support Ukraine will falter and then fail.

As I've said elsewhere after Pelosi's visit to Taiwan today a probable Chinese response to that may be the supplying of Russia with the high tech weaponry and drones its craved where it was reluctant to do so before.

Due to such factors the only outcome I can see is Russian victory over the medium term sadly

Doom and Gloom for no reason.

 

[flogger]

Doom and Gloom for no reason.

Oh theres plenty of reason. Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong but that seems unlikely given current developments

 

[dandolo2k]

Well. If you are going to lie.... Lie big.
Malaysian Flight MH17 was shot down by a BUK under the control of Russian backed insurgents. There is even a social media post bragging of the act that was deleted once the aircraft's ID was known.




But Russian insurgents are more than happy to down what they believed to be a Ukrainian transport.



Another Russian lie.

You have no counter arguments . Nothing to object . That’s why our just keep screaming “Lie, Lie, Lie” Your stupid statement “Russian insurgents are more than happy to down” gives you little credit. Everybody beyond thus side of iron curtain is a big big villain , dreaming of bloody crimes . No , fellow , this mantra “Russian insurgents are more than happy to down”, is just a big big lie. Russian insurgents just want to remove Ukranian navy criminals , from their motherland they have no intentions to hit any planes , thus is a bloody provocations and you know it.

 

[dandolo2k]

You are all the way down the Kremlin propaganda rabbit-hole and either you refuse to see it or you refuse to acknowledge it.

You're not that far from Ukraine. Drive into Kharkiv and see for yourself what your war-criminal military has done.

No . I am not the way down the Kremlin propaganda , and I mention mr Poo… much less frequently then you , who obviously admire and worship him . His speculations about missiles being placed in Ukraine on the border with Russia I find non constructive . The same medium range missiles can be deployed in Finland or Baltic states with the same results and the same effect on the fly time to the capital .
But unfortunately Ukranian nationalist do kill the people , and they methodically slay their opponents and all possible suspects since their military coup in 2014 and even before. They torture their own citizens , murder them , spread mazy propaganda , and humiliate everybody who dares to object them .
As for the being “not far from Ukraine” there is no need to travel there cause there are hundreds of testimonies from folks “on the field” . Including those from English speaking correspondents. You just do not want to listen to them . Because everything which goes odd with your official , Washington directed hardline immediately turns into “Russian propaganda”. Your socially media is totally biased, there is no argument , no free speech , people are scared to express their thoughts.
But in Russia you can write everything , with almost zero effect for yourself .

 

[dandolo2k]

But Russian insurgents are more than happy to down what they believed to be a Ukrainian transport.

And who is responsible for fooling them and sending a civil play across war zone, knowing that it can be misinterpreted as a "Ukrainian transport." ?
Who organized this staged premeditated provacation ?
Your governments, yout intel services. The same people who run your "anti-war" dubious campaign.

 

[Rogue Valley]

His speculations about missiles being placed in Ukraine on the border with Russia I find non constructive . The same medium range missiles can be deployed in Finland or Baltic states with the same results and the same effect on the fly time to the capital .

How convenient that you forget about Putin placing nuclear-capable Iskander-M missiles in Kaliningrad that can target 5 NATO capitals.

You always conveniently forget all facts that debunk your Kremlin propaganda.

 

[Rogue Valley]

And who is responsible for fooling them and sending a civil play across war zone, knowing that it can be misinterpreted as a "Ukrainian transport." ?

Russia brought a BUK missile launcher into Ukraine and it was operated by Russia's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade from Kursk.

The criminal Russian military killed 298 civilians on that plane.

What are Russians even doing in Ukraine? It is not your country. Get out and stay out.

Hopefully, the 53rd got its criminal ass kicked in Ukraine since February.

 

[Fledermaus]

You have no counter arguments . Nothing to object . That’s why our just keep screaming “Lie, Lie, Lie” Your stupid statement “Russian insurgents are more than happy to down” gives you little credit.

Dishonest truncation.

My statement was - But Russian insurgents are more than happy to down what they believed to be a Ukrainian transport.

I do not believe the Russian insurgents wanted to down an airliner. But they did.

Everybody beyond thus side of iron curtain is a big big villain , dreaming of bloody crimes .

No one said that. But we DO know of the gang rapes and murders by Russian troops. Some Russians are even appalled at the crimes.

No , fellow , this mantra “Russian insurgents are more than happy to down”, is just a big big lie. Russian insurgents just want to remove Ukranian navy criminals , from their motherland they have no intentions to hit any planes , thus is a bloody provocations and you know it

Dishonest truncation.

My statement was - But Russian insurgents are more than happy to down what they believed to be a Ukrainian transport.

What "Ukranian navy criminals" are you speaking of?

 

[Fledermaus]

And who is responsible for fooling them and sending a civil play across war zone, knowing that it can be misinterpreted as a "Ukrainian transport." ?
Who organized this staged premeditated provacation ?
Your governments, yout intel services. The same people who run your "anti-war" dubious campaign.

Air traffic controllers.

Not "governments". Not "intel services".

 

[Rogue Valley]

It doesnt matter what some of us think or wishfully hope for in the West. Once the lights start going out, granny freezes and the wheels of industry stop turning in Europe this winter the resolve to support Ukraine will falter and then fail.

As I've said elsewhere after Pelosi's visit to Taiwan today a probable Chinese response to that may be the supplying of Russia with the high tech weaponry and drones its craved where it was reluctant to do so before.

Due to such factors the only outcome I can see is Russian victory over the medium term sadly

Talk about a defeatest mindset lol.

 

[flogger]

Talk about a defeatest mindset lol.

No its just a realpolitik one ..... sadly