[W:69] Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Well maybe if the pro abortion extremists hadn’t decided it’s okay to abort after a life birth.

That's not abortion - it's called birth and you're so wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
Seriously wondering where the hell you get your information.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Why do you lie! Seeing and hearing is believing. There is no refuting.

It's flat out wrong - haven't you ever heard of propaganda?? Or is that just confirmation bias for you.
Try asking a doctor.
Pitiful.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Your link did not address the claim and Pro-Choice supports 'abortion' after birth. That wouldn't be abortion at all, that would be a homicide.

I think what they're referring to is a baby that has a health issue that would mean the child would die shortly after birth or died in utero.
Another horrific decision for parents to make - do you want to keep it alive by any means necessary?? Or let it go peacefully.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Democrats, the party of infantacide.

Republicans the party of bullsh*t and greed

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Killing viable live infants is infantacide. Saying it isn’t won’t make it so.

Nah people like you just don't want to take care of the child or the mother the second they're born -- shooting children in school is just fine.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Well the words in the video show you are lying.

By the way... how is a post birth abortion performed?

:lamo:lamo:lamo No such thing.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

I posted what I posted. It’s right there.

With absolutely no regard for what's actually true. It just fits your agenda.

 

[Crystal]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Nah people like you just don't want to take care of the child or the mother the second they're born -- shooting children in school is just fine.

These pro abortion excuses are getting tiresome.

 

[year2late]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

These pro abortion excuses are getting tiresome.

Do you acknowledge there is no such thing as a post birth abortion?

If not, how do you think it occurs or would occur?

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

In many situations however we need to take away that choice from the mother. Her judgment is often clouded and inaccurate. If a pregnant woman is essentially a ward of the state, how much rights does she really have?

One could say the same about the men who get said women pregnant. You were doing ok until.........One can't legislate stupid.

 

[jghiretire]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Define viable. Does healthy ever enter into it? Does life expectation? What I mean by that is that late term abortions, which are RARE by the way, are not performed for reasons other than the discovery, during that last trimester, that the fetus has a severe birth defect, often one that would make its life short and painful with zero hope of recovery.

You seem to have the very mistaken impression that women are having late term abortions out of convenience, because they were too stupid or mean or lazy to make that decision in the first trimester. Trust me, NO woman makes one of those rare late term decisions lightly, or just because she changed her mind at the last minute. It's about her survival, or the survival of the fetus.

To me, the bottom line is this: what another woman decides is HER business, and no one else's. Perhaps you should look to your own self, and stop judging the decisions of others.

:applaud:applaud:applaud

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

choosing life is an extremist position? I'd say choosing death is an extremist position.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

choosing life is an extremist position? I'd say choosing death is an extremist position.

That's why pro-choice where each individual woman gets to decide is most reasonable.

No pro-lifers get to force the life of a child on them or their own death, which is a risk in every single pregnancy.

There's no extreme, since we know that most women choose to have their baby and the abortion rate goes down every year.

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

That's why pro-choice where each individual woman gets to decide is most reasonable.

No pro-lifers get to force the life of a child on them or their own death, which is a risk in every single pregnancy.

There's no extreme, since we know that most women choose to have their baby and the abortion rate goes down every year.

Well, apparently somebody chooses death or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Could you take the life of an innocent adult?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Well, apparently somebody chooses death or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Could you take the life of an innocent adult?

You were hyperbolizing on extremes. I pointed out that no such thing is occuring. Now you change the goal posts.

What is the justification for the act in your question?

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

You were hyperbolizing on extremes. I pointed out that no such thing is occuring. Now you change the goal posts.

What is the justification for the act in your question?

What "justification" do you need? Could you take the life of an innocent adult? It's a simple yes or no answer.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

What "justification" do you need? Could you take the life of an innocent adult? It's a simple yes or no answer.

Is it your assumption that abortion is done without justification? Yes or no?

Otherwise I can see no way that your question is related to the topic.

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

I'll take it you could not kill an innocent adult.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

I'll take it you could not kill an innocent adult.

So you cannot actually relate your question directly to abortion and make up your own answer instead? Noted.

Btw, I dont value the 'innocence' of the unborn, I dont understand why anyone else does. Maybe you can explain why you value the 'innocence' of the unborn which cannot act, cannot even form intent? That's a vacuum, emptiness...much like the 'innocence' of a flower or a couch. I see zero value there, while I value actual innocence in people.

(Cue: Those with poor reading comprehension fretting "she just compared "babies" to flowers and couches!" :roll

 

[prometeus]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

Oh, I understand them perfectly.

Yea it shows in the stupidity you post.

But, to interpret and reason logically instead of emotionally is the basic difference between liberal and conservative.

So that is why you can not.

Look how emotional the liberal Democrats are with this Trump thing.

Look how stupid it is to introduce something irrelevant into the debate.

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

So you cannot actually relate your question directly to abortion and make up your own answer instead? Noted.

Btw, I dont value the 'innocence' of the unborn, I dont understand why anyone else does. Maybe you can explain why you value the 'innocence' of the unborn which cannot act, cannot even form intent? That's a vacuum, emptiness...much like the 'innocence' of a flower or a couch. I see zero value there, while I value actual innocence in people.

(Cue: Those with poor reading comprehension fretting "she just compared "babies" to flowers and couches!" :roll

That's a first principle in war. De-humanize the enemy. De-value. It's just too hard for most people to kill other human beings. Making them inanimate is even better for your purpose.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

That's a first principle in war. De-humanize the enemy. De-value. It's just too hard for most people to kill other human beings. Making them inanimate is even better for your purpose.

You didnt answer my question. How does the 'innocence' you value make the unborn any more human than that emptiness in a flower or couch?

Seems like you are the one de-humanizing the unborn...valuing emptiness, a vacuum only in order to further your own agenda.

 

[Waddy]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

You didnt answer my question. How does the 'innocence' you value make the unborn any more human than that emptiness in a flower or couch?

Seems like you are the one de-humanizing the unborn...valuing emptiness, a vacuum only in order to further your own agenda.

I'd say a baby has more value than a flower, or even a couch.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

I'd say a baby has more value than a flower, or even a couch.

Non-answer. I see you are flailing about with intentional mischaracterizations in order to 'appear' like you are discussing...

this statement wasnt about value, it was about the de-humanization you endorse:

How does the 'innocence' you value make the unborn any more human than that emptiness in a flower or couch?

No worries.

 

[minnie616]

Re: Pro-Life extremists are taking us back to the dark ages

I'd say a baby has more value than a flower, or even a couch.

If the woman/couple wants to have a baby she will value the fetus/unborn.

If the woman/couple does not want to continue a pregnancy then the flower or couch may have much more value to her/them.

The value of a pregnancy is and should be what the what the woman/ couple desires it is.

Just because you value an unborn more than the woman does mean everyone should feel the way you do.

I value the pregnant woman’s decision and will support her decision. And I will add that most women do decide to continue their pregnancy even when it is an unplanned pregnancy.