[W:68] Republicans launch bill to prompt history of COMMUNISM teaching in schools to combat CRT

[NatMorton]

Since CRT is NOT taught in the public schools, what is your problem?

Are you afraid that, if the kids are taught what racism is (and why it is inappropriate), then they will recognize the people who are racists for what they are?

There are those who do wish CRT to be taught in schools and the underlying principles of CRT are absolutely taught in some schools. Any assertion to the contrary is one made of ignorance and/or out of an attempt to mislead.

And for the record, I am not afraid of the history of racism being taught in schools nor am I afraid of your thinly veiled accusations of racism. The former is an important lesson for all of us. The latter is a sign of weakness on your part and certainly nothing to fear.

 

[NatMorton]

Since that is NOT a "core tenet" of CRT, I can see why you don't understand what CRT is all about.

You really need to educate yourself on this topic. Emphasis added:

critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.​

Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

Now run along.

 

[j brown's body]

Yes, blacks -- per capita -- commit more violent crimes that whites. Citing that fact is not racist anymore than you citing that men commit more crimes is misandry.

That you agree with the logic for males v females but not white v black is a rather remarkable blind spot.

Statistics show that blacks are arrested more for crimes they commit equally to whites and sentenced for more time.

And the wealth gap continues.

Refusal to recognize this institutional racism allows these inequities to persist.

 

[NatMorton]

Statistics show that blacks are arrested more for crimes they commit equally to whites and sentenced for more time.

And the wealth gap continues.

Refusal to recognize this institutional racism allows these inequities to persist.

Don’t be vague. Are you claiming that absent that supposed arrest disparity that the crime rates between Black and white would be equal?

 

[j brown's body]

Don’t be vague. Are you claiming that absent that supposed arrest disparity that the crime rates between Black and white would be equal?

I am pointing out that in some cases they are.

What reason fo you give for your claim that blacks commit more violent crimes?

 

[NatMorton]

I am pointing out that in some cases they are.

What reason fo you give for your claim that blacks commit more violent crimes?

State and federal government crime data. Web search “crime statistics by race” and you will find no shortage of data.

 

[j brown's body]

State and federal government crime data. Web search “crime statistics by race” and you will find no shortage of data.

Again, what reason do you give for it?

 

[NatMorton]

Again, what reason do you give for it?

Will get to that in time. First, you continue to avoid my question. Are you or are you not claiming that absent a supposed arrest disparity that the crime rates between Black and white would be equal?

 

[j brown's body]

Will get to that in time. First, you continue to avoid my question. Are you or are you not claiming that absent a supposed arrest disparity that the crime rates between Black and white would be equal?

I concede your point that they commit more violent crime. You're dodging my question.

What reason do you give for this?

 

[Michael Cole]

Your cite precedes from the following straw-man:

I think many oppose CRT because they believe it aims to eliminate whiteness.​

… and says little that is relevant to this discussion after that.

So, all the posts here claiming CRT's goal to eliminate whiteness are strawman arguments. Now you're catching on.

If you bothered to read, you would have noticed that CRT is not being taught to children. What's being used is Inclusive Education, not CRT.

 

[NatMorton]

I concede your point that they commit more violent crime. You're dodging my question.

What reason do you give for this?

And to close off that point, that higher crime rate is the likely reason more blacks die at the hands of police. In fact, if you to look at the crime stats you’ll see that blacks commit approximately 35% of all violent crimes, and that is almost exactly the percentage of blacks killed by police officers (you’ll find the same crime and policy fatality numbers match for whites as well).

To your question, I don’t think there’s a single reason why blacks commit more crimes. I think there are a combination of factors. The first is the proverty-crime feedback loop. Crime begets poverty. Poverty begets crime. The second is the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community. The vast majority of crimes are committed by young men of all races, and fatherless young men are, IMO, more likely to commit crimes than those who come from a strong, two-parent household; the out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks now stands at over 75%. You can also add high school drop out rates into the mix, too.

At this point I know you’re itching to ask the question “b…but what about racism?!?,” and the short answer is in 2021 I’m not sure how much racism plays into black crime. Historical racism certainly created a larger population of poor blacks than should be the case, and one could argue that is what has bootstrapped the crime-poverty cycle. What I’m less sure about is whether the level of racism in the US today is what’s keeping blacks poor. The data seems to suggest the answer to that question is “no.” One can escape poverty by making the right life choices, and racism is not preventing those choices from being made.

 

[NatMorton]

So, all the posts here claiming CRT's goal to eliminate whiteness are strawman arguments. Now you're catching on.

If you bothered to read, you would have noticed that CRT is not being taught to children. What's being used is Inclusive Education, not CRT.

I don’t care who builds that straw-man, they’re still wrong. That is not the credible opposition to CRT.

And sorry, no. When I see, for example, a lesson plan that asserts an instance on correct answers to math problems is a form of “white oppression” then I think the lesson has gone beyond mere “inclusion” and has fallen into the muddled morass of critical race theory.

 

[Michael Cole]

I don’t care who builds that straw-man, they’re still wrong. That is not the credible opposition to CRT.

There is no "credible" opposition to CRT. The opposition is all nonsense started by Rufo. My God, I see it here every day. It's in the news. Coming out of the mouths of cranked up racist right wingers at school board meetings. It's obvious and undeniable.

And sorry, no. When I see, for example, a lesson plan that asserts an instance on correct answers to math problems is a form of “white oppression” then I think the lesson has gone beyond mere “inclusion” and has fallen into the muddled morass of critical race theory.

I'm calling BS. Would you share this lesson plan, please. Please show the connection to CRT. Thanks.

 

[j brown's body]

And to close off that point, that higher crime rate is the likely reason more blacks die at the hands of police. In fact, if you to look at the crime stats you’ll see that blacks commit approximately 35% of all violent crimes, and that is almost exactly the percentage of blacks killed by police officers (you’ll find the same crime and policy fatality numbers match for whites as well).

To your question, I don’t think there’s a single reason why blacks commit more crimes. I think there are a combination of factors. The first is the proverty-crime feedback loop. Crime begets poverty. Poverty begets crime. The second is the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community. The vast majority of crimes are committed by young men of all races, and fatherless young men are, IMO, more likely to commit crimes than those who come from a strong, two-parent household; the out-of-wedlock birth rate among blacks now stands at over 75%. You can also add high school drop out rates into the mix, too.

At this point I know you’re itching to ask the question “b…but what about racism?!?,” and the short answer is in 2021 I’m not sure how much racism plays into black crime. Historical racism certainly created a larger population of poor blacks than should be the case, and one could argue that is what has bootstrapped the crime-poverty cycle. What I’m less sure about is whether the level of racism in the US today is what’s keeping blacks poor. The data seems to suggest the answer to that question is “no.” One can escape poverty by making the right life choices, and racism is not preventing those choices from being made.

Why is their poverty so much higher? Why do whites have so much more wealth than backs?

Blacks have a lower percentage of wealth now than they did in the civil rights era when we were fighting legal racism.

Why a higher percentage of out of wedlock births?

 

[NatMorton]

There is no "credible" opposition to CRT. The opposition is all nonsense started by Rufo. My God, I see it here every day. It's in the news. Coming out of the mouths of cranked up racist right wingers. It's obvious and undeniable.


I'm calling BS. Would you share this lesson plan, please. Please show the connection to CRT. Thanks.

The lesson plan is call A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction. Here’s the slide that makes that assertion on correct answers:



Source: https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

The deck goes on to explain that students having to “show their work” is also a form of racism, so so much for demonstrating an understanding of concepts and reasoning. The framework has been adopted in Oregon, and there’s a hot debate about how much it’s been used to develop a newly proposed math framework in CA.

As for its basis on CRT, read slide 2 and tell me you don’t believe this framework isn’t inspired by the same principles on which CRT rests.

 

[NatMorton]

Why is their poverty so much higher? Why do whites have so much more wealth than backs?

Blacks have a lower percentage of wealth now than they did in the civil rights era when we were fighting legal racism.

Why a higher percentage of out of wedlock births?

I’ve answered those questions.

 

[danielpalos]

Why is their poverty so much higher? Why do whites have so much more wealth than backs?

Blacks have a lower percentage of wealth now than they did in the civil rights era when we were fighting legal racism.

Why a higher percentage of out of wedlock births?

A lack of equal protection of the laws.

 

[Michael Cole]

The lesson plan is call A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction. Here’s the slide that makes that assertion on correct answers:

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Source: https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

The deck goes on to explain that students having to “show their work” is also a form of racism, so so much for demonstrating an understanding of concepts and reasoning. The framework has been adopted in Oregon, and there’s a hot debate about how much it’s been used to develop a newly proposed math framework in CA.

As for its basis on CRT, read slide 2 and tell me you don’t believe this framework isn’t inspired by the same principles on which CRT rests.

Who needs slide two? The first words on the cover will do:

Exercises for educators...

"CRT" appears nowhere in the document.

What exactly is your problem with this? Seems reasonable to me, and in no way does this show "CRT being taught to children."

(PS. That's not a lesson plan.)

 

[NatMorton]

Who needs slide two? The first words on the cover will do:

Exercises for educators...

"CRT" appears nowhere in the document.

What exactly is your problem with this? Seems reasonable to me, and in no way does this show "CRT being taught to children."

(PS. That's not a lesson plan.)

Willful ignorance.

 

[Michael Cole]

Willful ignorance.

You're welcome. Come again.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You really need to educate yourself on this topic. Emphasis added:

critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.​

Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

Now run along.

Please pay attention to the words

"insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites" ​

which you so dearly love to ignore when claiming that

"Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States"​

You do realize that the first MODIFIES the second and converts it into something that is the direct opposite of what you would have us believe - don't you?

PS - Could you please tell me what you find is so offensively unAmerican about "... applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other UNJUST hierarchies"?

 

[NatMorton]

Please pay attention to the words

"insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites" ​

which you so dearly love to ignore when claiming that

"Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States"​

You do realize that the first MODIFIES the second and converts it into something that is the direct opposite of what you would have us believe - don't you?

PS - Could you please tell me what you find is so offensively unAmerican about "... applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other UNJUST hierarchies"?

I ignored nothing. I claimed that a principle of CRT was the assertion that American legal and civic institutions are inherently racist. You challenged that. I then provided an authoritative reference that proves I was right and that you were wrong, period.

And no, “in so far” doesn’t modify the definition of “inherent.” I suggest you look up the definition of that word and consider the nonsensical point you are trying to make here. “Partially inherent” is contradiction in terms.

 

[LostInSeattle]

More leftist lies, as expected. Yet, other than Strom Thurmond, you cannot name a single Dixiecrat who ever became a Republican. Not one. Which demonstrates that it is nothing more than deliberate leftist lies as usual. That is all that you ever do.

What up, Glitch? You living in some kind of fantasy bubble up there in Alaska?

I can name a slew of Dixiecrats who officially changed parties:
Claude Kirk, Jr. - Governor of Florida
Bo Callaway - US Rep from Georgia
Iris Blitch - US Rep from Georgia
James Boyce - Chairman of Louisiana Republican Party
Thomas Wofford - US Sen from SC
James Douglas Martin - US Rep from Alabama
Jack Cox - Texas politician
Dave Treen - Louisiana governor and US Rep
Albert Watson - US Rep from South Carolina
Floyd Davidson Spence - US Rep from South Carolina

Honestly, this list barely scratches the surface. There are oodles of state level politicians and political acitivists who switched parties in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Not to mention other Democratic politicians who didn't switch because they wanted to keep their seniority and committee assignments, but voted increasingly Republican.

 

[LostInSeattle]

I was showing you the way that he determined that Democrats were directly responsible for the deaths. After all, the Democrats held the Presidency and "The Buck Stops Here." so that MUST mean that the Democrats caused all of the deaths that occurred when there was a Democrat living in the White House.

Of course you won't get one from him. He knows that he's 100% right so he doesn't have to prove it to anyone.

I know. Glitch is a blustery coward who will go silent as soon as he is shown to be factually incorrect. But he also accuses others of lying straight out of the gate. Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one...

 

[Roadvirus]

So now the Black Lt. Governor of Virginia is lying, huh? I do not believe that - it's BS.

Well, to the Left, she is a "token" and a "traitor". Therefore, her opinion is irrelevant.