• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

[W: 672] Trump's decision to attend sidebars signals he is highly involved with his defense, correspondents say

You are now asked for the THIRD time: what exact US statute did Obama allegedly violate?

You see, for Trump, I can point to the following NY statute: NY Penal Law Section 175.10.

So, far, you've not cited anything.

Second TIME you been asked why neither Jess Sessions nor William Barr - the Attorney General of the United States - had DOJ bring charges against Obama or, at least, appoint a Special Counsel to investigate these alleged Obama crimes.
The UN charter of human rights, which is a matter of universal jurisdiction, like piracy, any prosecutorial authority in the world can charge Obama for rights violations
 
Well, if that is true then he must have the absolute most incompetent lawyers in the world. Why wouldn't his lawyers have already tried to tell the multiple Judges that have seen this case that "he didn't do it?"

The best lawyers in the world can’t get you off from a banana republic kangaroo court.
 
The best lawyers in the world can’t get you off from a banana republic kangaroo court.
Well then move on from Trump. The writing is on the wall. He is just a poor billionaire victim. But like a good cult member, you won't. Face it...no matter the outcome, Trump is done. His time has passed. Move on from Trump.
 
SCOTUS will soon overturn it and send it to the states. Marriage laws are state issues.

I agree. Clinton did. And he was impeached as a result but obviously not removed. And the premise (apparently) is that you can't indict a sitting President. Could they have prosecuted him afterwards? I'm guessing so. Someone chose not to. I'm going to guess that there were MANY politicians and even Presidents of every political affiliation that actually committed crimes while in office. Many have been prosecuted. Trump is the first President to achieve that honor, as he calls it.
Clinton also had his Arkansas law license suspended for 5 years as a result of the Monica Lewinsky matter .... and he faced being disbarred by the US Supreme Court, but agreed to surrender his license there. After 5 years, Clinton did not seek reinstatement to the Arkansas bar.
 
Trump didn’t violate it.
Well, see, the problem is this: a Grand Jury found evidence to support their finding of probable cause that Trump *did* violate it. In other words, the Grand Jury found it "more likely than not" that Trump did violate NY Penal Law 17510 -- some 34 times.

Now we have a trial to see whether the prosecution can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Well, see, the problem is this: a Grand Jury found evidence to support their finding of probable cause that Trump *did* violate it. In other words, the Grand Jury found it "more likely than not" that Trump did violate NY Penal Law 17510 -- some 34 times.

Now we have a trial to see whether the prosecution can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's really not complicated. It's sociologically fascinating that they model their cult leader so well in their desire to systematically dismantle the credibility of the entire justice system - all for ONE person.
 
It isn't nonsense....unless someone wants President Trump to be shackled and gagged. Isn't that what democrats want?
Just a quick heads up for you; Trump isn't president and hasn't been for almost four years. Some might suggest he never really was; he just played at president, and failed spectacularly.
 
You are now asked for the THIRD time: what exact US statute did Obama allegedly violate?

You see, for Trump, I can point to the following NY statute: NY Penal Law Section 175.10.

So, far, you've not cited anything.

Second TIME you been asked why neither Jess Sessions nor William Barr - the Attorney General of the United States - had DOJ bring charges against Obama or, at least, appoint a Special Counsel to investigate these alleged Obama crimes.
You're wasting your time. You might as well ask for a citation from a brick wall. He or she just makes stuff up to get a rise out of people on here. It's called being a troll.
 
Second panel of jurors is in the courtroom now...we have 6 to go...judge is suspicious of how the defense is accessing posts by jurors...asked if it was all public information...not sure what made him suspicious...but that question means either he thinks they are using other means to access people's profiles or he is just flat tired of the bs.
'posts'?

Like facebook/twitter etc?

I mean, they ARE all public information.
 
The UN charter of human rights, which is a matter of universal jurisdiction, like piracy, any prosecutorial authority in the world can charge Obama for rights violations
So, now the Conservative position is that the United States has surrendered its jurisdiction to the UN?? That right?
 
'posts'?

Like facebook/twitter etc?

I mean, they ARE all public information.
Can be public.

You have the option on your FB account to set it to private and keep "the public" in general (as opposed to your acknowledged friends) from viewing your information.
 
So, now the Conservative position is that the United States has surrendered its jurisdiction to the UN?? That right?
The triple deep state with sugar on top! Isn't it obvious? I mean, if you would just watch 2000 Mules, you would understand. Obama orchestrated it all.
 
Can be public.

You have the option on your FB account to set it to private and keep "the public" in general (as opposed to your acknowledged friends) from viewing your information.
I guess I was more along the lines of why the Judge would think that the posts being used to decline jurors wouldn't be on the up and up. I can imagine quite a few folks in NY are not fans of Trump, and would post accordingly.
 
It's really not complicated. It's sociologically fascinating that they model their cult leader so well in their desire to systematically dismantle the credibility of the entire justice system - all for ONE person.
It would be a fascinating experiment to find out how many of them still thought OJ Simpson was guilty of murdering his ex-wife and her friend.....even though OJ was acquitted by a jury. And remember, OJ was found liable for their deaths in a civil suit - where the standard is "preponderance of evidence" (i.e., the evidence barely tilts one way).
 
I guess I was more along the lines of why the Judge would think that the posts being used to decline jurors wouldn't be on the up and up. I can imagine quite a few folks in NY are not fans of Trump, and would post accordingly.
The judge rejected SOME jurors based on social media posts brought to light to by Trump's attorneys because they showed actual bias against Trump.

The judge KEPT some jurors despite social media posts brought to light by Trump's attorneys because the attorneys couldn't really establish that the social media post showed a true bias.

I think the judge is concerned - as all judges are - whether the juror's social media posts are set to "private" --- because, then, to access the posts, the attorneys would somehow have to request access from the account holder.....and THAT would be verbotten.
 
It would be a fascinating experiment to find out how many of them still thought OJ Simpson was guilty of murdering his ex-wife and her friend.....even though OJ was acquitted by a jury. And remember, OJ was found liable for their deaths in a civil suit - where the standard is "preponderance of evidence" (i.e., the evidence barely tilts one way).
Absolutely. They certainly aren't up in arms over Santos, but that is likely because he appreciated the style of wearing a dress, make up, and a wig.
 
The judge rejected SOME jurors based on social media posts brought to light to by Trump's attorneys because they showed actual bias against Trump.

The judge KEPT some jurors despite social media posts brought to light by Trump's attorneys because the attorneys couldn't really establish that the social media post showed a true bias.

I think the judge is concerned - as all judges are - whether the juror's social media posts are set to "private" --- because, then, to access the posts, the attorneys would somehow have to request access from the account holder.....and THAT would be verbotten.
Everything posted on the internet is public information. Which means that everyone who viewed or accessed those posts would also have to have accounts set to private for them not to be publicly accessible.

It's really very hard to post on something like FB or Insta, or Twitter, and not have it accessible with a good enough search. I imagine Trumps attorney's (should be) good at doing so.
 
The judge rejected SOME jurors based on social media posts brought to light to by Trump's attorneys because they showed actual bias against Trump.

The judge KEPT some jurors despite social media posts brought to light by Trump's attorneys because the attorneys couldn't really establish that the social media post showed a true bias.

I think the judge is concerned - as all judges are - whether the juror's social media posts are set to "private" --- because, then, to access the posts, the attorneys would somehow have to request access from the account holder.....and THAT would be verbotten.
I hope these Jurors take their oath to vote only on the evidence and not just to on their political out look seriously. , unlike Sen. McConnell and several others did during Trumps impeachment, McConnell even came out and said the evidence did show that Trump did what he was charged with but he was not going to vote to remove him from office.
McConnell and several others broke that oath, and as I said I hope the Jurors take this more seriously then he did and keep that oath.
Have a nice day
 
Here's Trump admitting he marked it down as a legal expense. Of course he then tried to back track and say some accountant did it and he didn't know, but it's a pretty clear admission in the beginning. I'm sure this will be used in court. The good news is that Trump simply can't help himself. His Narcissistic Personality Disorder doesn't allow for him to do so.

 
Remember, before anything else, con man, grifter, billionaire lawyer, Trump is a showman!

He can now see his audience, it's being hand selected one-by-one in front of him. This is his grand stage!

He can’t control it, bully it, corrupt it, or buy it.

He may be the star of this show. But he’s also a spectator.
 

Trump's decision to attend sidebars signals he is highly involved with his defense, correspondents say​



Why does he have lawyers? There is no reason for non-lawyers to be involved in these conversations. What are they there for if he intends to argue his case himself? And if he's not going to be doing the arguing, what's the point of him jumping up to the bench, other than to somehow influence the jury? Trump is just so clever!

Judge needs to shut this nonsense down, NOW!
How has he argued his case himself? What are you afraid of? Hmmm?
 
Back
Top Bottom