[W;622]Please... Be honest. Do you really think a second impeachment is good for the country?

[ElChupacabra]

Trump accepted his defeat before the crybaby Gore accepted his defeat. The crybaby lady who lost the Georgia governor race is still crying about losing that election.

I'm curious if you'll use the same term for Trump if he continues to build something out of the election fraud narrative. He's already made quite a bit of money from that song and dance number, unlike the others you cited.

 

[Quag]

Trump accepted his defeat before the crybaby Gore accepted his defeat. The crybaby lady who lost the Georgia governor race is still crying about losing that election.

Nothing you post is even remotely connected to reality

 

[cabse5]

The Biden administration is an authoritarian government BEFORE being in power?

Some proposed immediate Biden EOs give the Biden administration an air of authoritarianism.

 

[Variant]

Some proposed immediate Biden EOs give the Biden administration an air of authoritarianism.

Let me know if it comes to the point where Biden is threatening public officials to try overturn democratic elections.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Well, do you?

America needs a second impeachment of Trump about as badly as humans need dihydrogen monoxide.
www.google.com/search?q=dangers+of+dihydrogen+monoxide

 

[Fledermaus]

Well, do you?

Not really. But I can understand why.

 

[cabse5]

Nothing you post is even remotely connected to reality

You don't know how long Gore withheld conceding while the Florida race was being adjudicated?...Look it up. You just think Trump held out longer.

The dem female who lost the governor's race in Georgia in the 2018, Abrams, still hasn't conceded that election. You have no point.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Not accepting elections like Al Gore, ya mean? Like the socialist who lost in the governor race in Georgia?

Is that a joke or were you not really around in 2000 and get your info from Alex Jones? Gore had a legit challenge in a single state; the complete recount had actually not occurred but the Supreme Court ruled that the recount should not proceed; and Gore IMMEDIATELY accepted the outcome and called the president Elect to concede. In public statements he said what Trump never has and never will say: that the best interests of the country and unity come first.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Do you think the senate will get a 2/3 conviction? If not, what does impeaching Trump accomplish?

That really isn't a very good argument.
In its constitutional role the House effectively serves as a grand jury: Is there probable cause to believe the offense was committed? If so, it is moved to the prosecution who then has the burden of proving guilt. It is not the role of the House to only move forward with impeachments that are certain to result in a conviction. In our hyper partisan 2 party system, unless one party has 67 members in the senate, no conviction of impeachment could ever be certain to occur.

 

[cpwill]

Great. Let's dispose of the farce we have called elections that indicates an approval by the American people to change power in American gov't. Elections will forever be rigged after the precedent of the 2020 election. And the American people won't have any confidence in American gov't because of your (far from being conservative) leaning.

Side note: Ya know, conservative means thinking like T. Jefferson or R. Paul and not thinking like W. Buckley, JR. (or G. Bush) .

Uh huh.

This is a red herring. Again, I don't accept "But So And So Did It!" from my children, and I don't accept it from adults, either. Conservatives understand personal responsibility and moral standards. Tribalists, not so much .

 

[Sandy Shanks]

It would be a sizable amount of support, but that depends if there's somewhere for them to go. A Trumpist party is not going to have much of a future because they're a subset of the GOP, so you'd have a fracturing of the vote for any GOP/Trumpist candidate.


I think Congress not responding is an even worse one.

So, you think the Republicans in the Senate will convict Trump?

If they don't, which is extremely likely, almost a certainty, then a Senate trial will be a complete waste of time at a time when there is precious little of it to waste.

Americans are dying at the rate of over 4,000 a day and our economy is in the tank. It seems you avoided those issues.

Imagine this. Once again Trump will be able to say on national television, "I have been vindicated again!"

Do we need to hear that? He is the only President in American history to be impeached twice.

Let it go at that.

Come Jan. 20 Congress should not waste one more minute on that piece of shyt. He has wasted four years of our time.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The Democrats want to convict a Republican President of inciting an insurrection. Someone tell me why in the world would Republican Senators would cooperate with the Democrats in an impeachment trial?

Someone tell why they think Trump will be convicted in the Senate so that the trial isn't a complete waste of extremely valuable time. Americans are dying at the rate of over 4,000 per day and the economy is going in the tank.

Intresting, no one wanted to deal with those issues.

For once I agree with Senator Graham.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asked Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) (soon to be Senate majority leader) in a letter on Sunday to support a vote to table Trump's Senate impeahment trial.

“We will be delaying indefinitely, if not forever, the healing of this great nation if we do otherwise,” warned Graham, a top Trump ally. “Our obligation to the people we represent is clear. History will judge us harshly, as it should, if we do not rise to the occasion of this historic moment in our history.”

Literally everyone agrees with me. The Democrats conducting a Senate trial in a losing effort serves no useful purpose. The Senate has no time for this.

Imagine this. Once again Trump will be able to say on national television, "I have been vindicated again!"

Do we need to hear that? He is the only President in American history to be impeached twice.

Let it go at that.

I don't hear anyone endorsing a Senate trial. The experts can only say it will happen. That isn't necessarily true.

Please, someone give me a good reason why a Senate impeachment trial should take place.

Review post 911 before answering.

 

[D_NATURED]

Well, do you?

Well, considering how many Trump decisions have been HORRIBLE for the country, what's it matter? I'll settle for any action, even an empty gesture, in defense of justice. In truth, the best thing that could be done for this country is for Trump to be prosecuted and imprisoned. As long as the wealthy and powerful are not subject to the same justice that the rest of us face, the country will be far from united and shouldn't be, except to condemn his treason.

I, personally, resent the notion that the Republicans get to exploit and divide this nation, in an extra-democratic way, to attempt to take over this country with a violent coup and now the democrats must "heal the nation". Obama was also tasked with healing the nation after W's incompetence and graft took us to the brink of disaster. It's a recurring theme.

Gosh, I'm relieved to hear you're no longer on the Trump train. However, as history has shown, the GOP train is loony enough without him. You guys have a shit load more to answer for than can be blamed, totally, upon the mad Don Cheeto. You guys have a crazy train that stretches back over forty years and whether Donny boy gets to ride it to infamy or not, I curse the way it's been recklessly conducted thus far.

 

[Grand Mal]

Some proposed immediate Biden EOs give the Biden administration an air of authoritarianism.

Unlike the shower of EO's that Trump started his administration with?
Here's why Trump needs to be impeached. To make sure he can't run again. If he thinks he might have another kick at the cat in 2024 he'll make it his mission over the next four years to keep as many people as possible as angry as possible. That was his strategy all through his term, make people angry and listen to the chants and cheers.
Trump is an enemy of America. Any American who supports him has decided that party trumps country and personality trumps party.

 

[Grand Mal]

Intresting, no one wanted to deal with those issues.

For once I agree with Senator Graham.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) asked Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) (soon to be Senate majority leader) in a letter on Sunday to support a vote to table Trump's Senate impeahment trial.

“We will be delaying indefinitely, if not forever, the healing of this great nation if we do otherwise,” warned Graham, a top Trump ally. “Our obligation to the people we represent is clear. History will judge us harshly, as it should, if we do not rise to the occasion of this historic moment in our history.”

Literally everyone agrees with me. The Democrats conducting a Senate trial in a losing effort serves no useful purpose. The Senate has no time for this.

Imagine this. Once again Trump will be able to say on national television, "I have been vindicated again!"

Do we need to hear that? He is the only President in American history to be impeached twice.

Let it go at that.

I don't hear anyone endorsing a Senate trial. The experts can only say it will happen. That isn't necessarily true.

Please, someone give me a good reason why a Senate impeachment trial should take place.

Review post 911 before answering.

So Trump can't run again.

 

[paul342160]

Chief Rectum Donald Vladimir Trump, MBA (B.S. in BS) has been nailed twice through impeachment. The riot finally nailed Trump.

His supporters, who blindly followed his advice, will have felonies because they listened to his BS. Let's call them LOSERS FOR TRUMP

At least, the FBI was able to identify many of these RECTUMS and charge them with crimes that will lead to felony convictions and future unemployment.

Chief Rectum Trump should be in jail with his fellow Rectums

 

[ElChupacabra]

So, you think the Republicans in the Senate will convict Trump?

If they don't, which is extremely likely, almost a certainty, then a Senate trial will be a complete waste of time at a time when there is precious little of it to waste.

Americans are dying at the rate of over 4,000 a day and our economy is in the tank. It seems you avoided those issues.

Imagine this. Once again Trump will be able to say on national television, "I have been vindicated again!"

Do we need to hear that? He is the only President in American history to be impeached twice.

Let it go at that.

Come Jan. 20 Congress should not waste one more minute on that piece of shyt. He has wasted four years of our time.

Whether or not they will convict is the big question in my mind, and that will depend on whether they have an interest in excising Trump from the party. He does have a lot of support, but he is also a polarizing figure that can make it hard to win general elections. The results in Georgia are a prime example of the damage his brand can bring. Under any other GOP candidate Georgia would have almost certainly remained a GOP state. That McConnell is not being vocally opposed to convicting the Trump shows a conviction is not entirely out of the question.

I agree with the bifurcated approach Biden is proposing if the impeachment makes it to a Senate trial. This would allow for them to work on pandemic related legislation and the other issues. As for Trump claiming victory, he's likely to do that anyway since he has no qualms about making things up.

 

[calamity]

Nothing you post is even remotely connected to reality

Yeah, it’s some amazingly disconnected stuff.

 

[Quag]

You don't know how long Gore withheld conceding while the Florida race was being adjudicated?...Look it up. You just think Trump held out longer.

The dem female who lost the governor's race in Georgia in the 2018, Abrams, still hasn't conceded that election. You have no point.

Trump didnt until Jan 7th where he still pretended it was stolen (ie that eh actually won) Gore conceded on Dec 13th

You are once again spewing alternative reality BS

 

[cabse5]

Uh huh.

This is a red herring. Again, I don't accept "But So And So Did It!" from my children, and I don't accept it from adults, either. Conservatives understand personal responsibility and moral standards. Tribalists, not so much .

Conservatives understand libertarianism. You are the opposite of libertarianism (or don't understand libertarianism) because you don't place a high priority on free and fair elections.

My guess is you're a Never-Trumper authoritarian who is a member of the GOP.

 

[calamity]

Conservatives understand libertarianism. You are the opposite of libertarianism (or don't understand libertarianism) because you don't place importance in free and fair elections.

My guess you're a Never-Trumper authoritarian who is a member of the GOP.

lol....nothing above makes a lick of sense.

 

[cabse5]

Unlike the shower of EO's that Trump started his administration with?
Here's why Trump needs to be impeached. To make sure he can't run again. If he thinks he might have another kick at the cat in 2024 he'll make it his mission over the next four years to keep as many people as possible as angry as possible. That was his strategy all through his term, make people angry and listen to the chants and cheers.
Trump is an enemy of America. Any American who supports him has decided that party trumps country and personality trumps party.

Making an EO isn't an authoritarian move (the courts have said it isn't).

Be sure all of Biden's EOs will be challenged for their constitutionality in court.

It's the nature of Biden's initial EO proposals that suggests his authoritarianism. I mean, for example, a national mask mandate??...Good luck getting that through courts...Not admitting it can't be done. Someone can lie to a judge and say the mask mandate is of the upmost importance to fight the pandemic.

 

[Quag]

Conservatives understand libertarianism. You are the opposite of libertarianism (or don't understand libertarianism) because you don't place a high priority on free and fair elections.

My guess is you're a Never-Trumper authoritarian who is a member of the GOP.

You guess poorly

 

[cabse5]

Trump didnt until Jan 7th where he still pretended it was stolen (ie that eh actually won) Gore conceded on Dec 13th

You are once again spewing alternative reality BS

The electoral college decided the fate of the 2000 election on the same day as the 2020 election.

Vote tallying for the 2000 election was finished the day of the election. Vote counting and commiserating over the tallying of votes for the 2020 took about 3 weeks...or about as long as the difference between Gore's concession and Trump's. Your point about the 'nefariousness' of Trump's unwillingness to concede is invalid...unless you also want to concede that Gore's unwillingness to concede was 'nefarious'?

Stacy Abrams is one political candidate we all should be wary of, IMO. She still hasn't conceded the 2018 governor's race in Georgia.

 

[lurchadams]

Well, do you?

Absolutely. There needs to be consequences for inciting a deadly terrorist attack against one's own nation. If there aren't consequences, what's to stop the next Republican asshole from doing it again? One thing that's been proving over the past 5 years: Republicans are unable to lead and cannot be trusted with any responsibility.