[W:611]Covid's toll in the U.S. reaches a once unfathomable number: 1 million deaths

[Ethel2]

I base "handling covid well" in deaths/unit population. Places that had lower deaths obviously implemented more effective procedures and programs than places that had higher death rates. I think that's pretty much considered the universal way to compare responses to deadly epidemics by every subject matter expert on the planet...

Of course the United States wasn't going to do as well as China or Japan. But we could have come close to how Canada did. We didn't, and people are trying to excuse the lack of national leadership on the topic as one large factor in the poor response.

It’s pretty obvious that you are correct: our awful response was in large part dilute to the crappy excuse for a president we had at the onset. I mean, what kind of “leader” walks around without a mask and holds large rallies indoors where masks are optional, where our “leader” pushed useless drugs to treat the disease, where our idiot leader pushed states to reopen when the metrics were still terrible etc etc. Our “leader” was responsible for tens to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths-which makes him a mass murderer.
No one should forgive him for that.

 

[Metric Mouse]

It’s pretty obvious that you are correct: our awful response was in large part dilute to the crappy excuse for a president we had at the onset. I mean, what kind of “leader” walks around without a mask and holds large rallies indoors where masks are optional, where our “leader” pushed useless drugs to treat the disease, where our idiot leader pushed states to reopen when the metrics were still terrible etc etc. Our “leader” was responsible for tens to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths-which makes him a mass murderer.
No one should forgive him for that.

Correct. And we kicked him out of office, and the leader that followed him had objectively worse death rates. We did awful, and then somehow got worse...

 

[Ethel2]

Correct. And we kicked him out of office, and the leader that followed him had objectively worse death rates. We did awful, and then somehow got worse...

Do you have a link that proves that during the Biden administration the death rate per 100k was worse than during the reign of the jackass? You do realize that delta occurred after 2020 and that delta was more contagious and more deadly than the original variants, right? Do you think that may have affected the per 100k death rate?
Talking about an absolute number of deaths during each administration is totally useless because when this first appeared the jackals had to deal with only a few hundred or even a few thousand cases. After 1/6/2020 Biden had to deal with tens of millions of infections. It was already out of control because the covidiots and maskholes wouldn’t behave. THEY screwed the American people.

 

[jaeger19]

Do you have a link that proves that during the Biden administration the death rate per 100k was worse than during the reign of the jackass? You do realize that delta occurred after 2020 and that delta was more contagious and more deadly than the original variants, right? Do you think that may have affected the per 100k death rate?
Talking about an absolute number of deaths during each administration is totally useless because when this first appeared the jackals had to deal with only a few hundred or even a few thousand cases. After 1/6/2020 Biden had to deal with tens of millions of infections. It was already out of control because the covidiots and maskholes wouldn’t behave. THEY screwed the American people.

He is just trolling.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Are more people vaxxed ?

 

[Fledermaus]

Are more people vaxxed ?

Yes.

Add to that many of the unvaxxed are no longer with us having died out in the last few variants.

 

[RAMOSS]

Do you have a link that proves that during the Biden administration the death rate per 100k was worse than during the reign of the jackass? You do realize that delta occurred after 2020 and that delta was more contagious and more deadly than the original variants, right? Do you think that may have affected the per 100k death rate?
Talking about an absolute number of deaths during each administration is totally useless because when this first appeared the jackals had to deal with only a few hundred or even a few thousand cases. After 1/6/2020 Biden had to deal with tens of millions of infections. It was already out of control because the covidiots and maskholes wouldn’t behave. THEY screwed the American people.

On an individual basis for an individual person, it's less deadly, however, the contagious nature of the micron means there were much more people catching it.

 

[Scrabaholic]

The vaccine hasn't prevented anyone from dying. Hell, it hasn't prevented anyone from GETTING covid. The fact is, it's not really a vaccine.

Your blather about "the unvaxxed" is dishonest nonsense. You need to face the facts: More people have died under Biden's watch than Trump's watch. That is undeniable truth.

Biden failed at his promise to end COVID and more people have died under Biden than who died when there wasn't a vaccine available.

I can't believe this needs explaining. Biden has been in power longer with covid around than trump was, so of course there'd be more deaths. If trump had taken it seriously, there would have been far fewer deaths.

 

[snakestretcher]

No. They aren't.

So tell the forum what are?

 

[Taylor]

So tell the forum what are?

I've already done so in this thread.

 

[snakestretcher]

Both Trump and Biden had to deal with stupid. Trump more so, because almost no one took the vaccine while he was in office, and the dumbest ones died out early, leaving Biden with less dumb to deal with.

But still, hundreds of thousands more people died. It's almost unbelievable that anyone could have handled covid worse than Trump.

Maybe you can explain what more could Biden have done, other than strongly recommending vaccination? He can't force people to get a shot, and he can't personally monitor every situation where transmission happens. So, what...?

 

[snakestretcher]

I've already done so in this thread.

Post # ?

 

[snakestretcher]

I would disagree that these are valid measurements of adminstrations performance since with disease..there is a hyperbolic curve of infection..hospitalizations etc as the disease progresses.

'Parabolic', maybe?

 

[Taylor]

Post # ?

640. He wants to measure process not outcomes. Activities not effectiveness. You can read all about it on the CDC website I linked.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Maybe you can explain what more could Biden have done, other than strongly recommending vaccination? He can't force people to get a shot, and he can't personally monitor every situation where transmission happens. So, what...?

Suggestions have been offered repeatedly. Mandate lockdowns and social distancing, send federal resources where requested, ramp up testing, mandatory vaccination, stop pushing for reopening and returns to normal. And whatever it was that Trump did that kept deaths lower. I mean, if Trump did it, literally anyone with a pulse should be able to do better, along with half of those without...

 

[Metric Mouse]

Do you have a link that proves that during the Biden administration the death rate per 100k was worse than during the reign of the jackass? You do realize that delta occurred after 2020 and that delta was more contagious and more deadly than the original variants, right? Do you think that may have affected the per 100k death rate?
Talking about an absolute number of deaths during each administration is totally useless because when this first appeared the jackals had to deal with only a few hundred or even a few thousand cases. After 1/6/2020 Biden had to deal with tens of millions of infections. It was already out of control because the covidiots and maskholes wouldn’t behave. THEY screwed the American people.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

One can easily compare dates to see that Biden killed more people than Trump from date to date.

How ****ing awful does one have to be to **** up worse than Trump?

 

[Ethel2]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

One can easily compare dates to see that Biden killed more people than Trump from date to date.

How ****ing awful does one have to be to **** up worse than Trump?

How many times does this have to be explained to you. No, I am not going to do that again.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Maybe you can explain what more could Biden have done, other than strongly recommending vaccination? He can't force people to get a shot, and he can't personally monitor every situation where transmission happens. So, what...?

Yes, well it seems the left does not accord Trump the same thing.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yes, well it seems the left does not accord Trump the same thing.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Accord Trump, what exactly? Unlike Biden Trump took every opportunity to minimise and downplay the severity of the disease while infection rates were going through the roof, because 'bad' numbers might jeopardise his election prospects. He openly mocked expert advisers, replaced a world-renowned expert in virology and epidemiology, Fauci, for a completely unqualified yes-man in Atlas who told Trump what he wanted to hear. Trump deserves nothing less that derision and scorn for his appallingly inept handling of the disease. And don't give us any crap about 'Warp Speed'; the first available vaccine was researched, developed and paid for in Germany by Pfizer.BioNtech with no US federal funding.

 

[Fledermaus]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

One can easily compare dates to see that Biden killed more people than Trump from date to date.

How ****ing awful does one have to be to **** up worse than Trump?

More intentional ignorance.

More stupid talk:

"Biden killed more people"

Blatantly stupid.

 

[Metric Mouse]

More intentional ignorance.

More stupid talk:

"Biden killed more people"

Blatantly stupid.

Yeah, more people died under his policies than Trump's. And Trump didn't do anything. How ****ing awful does one have to be to do worse than Donald Trump? Pretty ****ing awful.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

More than half that number is under Biden's watch. Didn't he say he was going to end COVID?

Yeah...Biden says a lot of stuff. It's all bullshit.

He will. Just not in our lifetime.

The flu that caused the pandemic in 1918 is still out there killing people. These cold and flu viruses are not going away any time soon. Hell we haven't even identified the majority of them yet. By the time we do identify one and start vaccinating for it they either go away for awhile then return as a new variant and start waging another assault on us. Viruses are relentless. We are just going to have to learn to live with them. Unfortunately every so often a deadly strain of these cold and flu viruses is going to get the upper hand for a while.

 

[Metric Mouse]

He will. Just not in our lifetime.

The flu that caused the pandemic in 1918 is still out there killing people. These cold and flu viruses are not going away any time soon. Hell we haven't even identified the majority of them yet. By the time we do identify one and start vaccinating for it they either go away for awhile then return as a new variant and start waging another assault on us. Viruses are relentless. We are just going to have to learn to live with them. Unfortunately every so often a deadly strain of these cold and flu viruses is going to get the upper hand for a while.

To be fair, the Flu isn't going to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans this year...

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

To be fair, the Flu isn't going to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans this year...

We don't know that. It has in the past.

World War I claimed an estimated 16 million lives. The influenza epidemic that swept the world in 1918 killed an estimated 50 million people. One fifth of the world's population was attacked by this deadly virus. Within months, it had killed more people than any other illness in recorded history.

 

[jaypatriot]

Correct. And we kicked him out of office, and the leader that followed him had objectively worse death rates. We did awful, and then somehow got worse...

Comments like that to Trump-hating Ethel have no affect on her logic.
Over 600,000 Americans have died from Covid under Biden's watch.
And he had three vaccines to work with plus a variety of therapeutics to keep people from suffering and dying of Covid. Moreover, Biden begged people to get vaccinated and obey shutdown orders.
But people are so fixated on hating Trump that do not want to know anything about how Biden has failed in so many areas where Trump was succeeding.