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[W:611]Covid's toll in the U.S. reaches a once unfathomable number: 1 million deaths

Fledermaus said:
I bolded the opinion based on intentional ignorance.
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Please name a meaningful covid statistic that Biden has done better than Trump on? Deaths? Infections? Death rate?
 
year2late said:
What don't you get about R-Naught?

If 5 become 25

Then 25 million becomes 125 million..

It is a well, duh, the case rate is high now.

YOu do understand the vaccine does not prevent acquiring covid, it helps prevent serious disease from covid. That is why case rates are up yet hospitals are not overwhelmed with patients.
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Cases were falling when Biden took office. He had an opportunity to keep them low. He failed. And several hundred thousand Americans died.

We had a baseline of "ignore covid and it will go away. " with Trump.

200,000 more people died under Biden. Nothing to brag about (unless one thinks that the high score wins...)
 
Metric Mouse said:
Cases were falling when Biden took office. He had an opportunity to keep them low. He failed. And several hundred thousand Americans died.

We had a baseline of "ignore covid and it will go away. " with Trump.

200,000 more people died under Biden. Nothing to brag about (unless one thinks that the high score wins...)
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Delta, Omicron.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Cases were falling when Biden took office. He had an opportunity to keep them low. He failed. And several hundred thousand Americans died.

We had a baseline of "ignore covid and it will go away. " with Trump.

200,000 more people died under Biden. Nothing to brag about (unless one thinks that the high score wins...)
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Trolling trolling trolling away.
 
Metric Mouse said:
So... he did worse on every meaningful measure?

Pretty much my point.
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Actually no. On every meaningful measure of effectiveness.. biden kicks Trumps butt.

Supply chain problems for testing? Better than Trump
Supply chain issues for ventilators? Better than Trump
Distribution of vaccines ? Better than Trump
Following recommendations of medical experts? Better than Trump
Provider support? Better than Trump.
Recognition of the problem? Better than Trump.
 
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Metric Mouse said:
Cases were falling when Biden took office. He had an opportunity to keep them low. He failed. And several hundred thousand Americans died.

We had a baseline of "ignore covid and it will go away. " with Trump.

200,000 more people died under Biden. Nothing to brag about (unless one thinks that the high score wins...)
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Are you saying Biden should have kept us locked down? Are you saying that Biden should strap people down and make them take the vaccine? By blaming Biden, those are the things you are implying.

You cannot look at data with a narrow mind set.

And like I have said, this disease is an exponential nightmare. Too bad more people do not take advantage of immunization.

BTW, at the bedside, the people we primarily see critically ill with covid now are the unvaccinated. The few vaccinated people we see that have serious covid disease that are vaccinated - have significant immune system issues by virtue of disease or medication.
 
gino said:
Just another useless statistic. The covid numbers have been a joke since the beginning. How many of these were deaths while having covid, not of dying from covid?
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Why don't you tell us, seeing as you're so convinced you know the truth?
 
Metric Mouse said:
Please name a meaningful covid statistic that Biden has done better than Trump on? Deaths? Infections? Death rate?
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Here's the reality that neither Trump nor Biden have any control over; the individual and his/her attitudes and behaviour where Covid restrictions and clinical advice are concerned.
 
snakestretcher said:
Why don't you tell us, seeing as you're so convinced you know the truth?
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There have been numerous examples of people who died WITH covid, but not FROM covid. If someone when into the hospital and was found covid positive, and they died, they were put into that statistic as having died of covid, even if covid was not the true cause of death. I read of one guy who was hit by a car, but his death was listed as covid death.
 
gino said:
There have been numerous examples of people who died WITH covid, but not FROM covid. If someone when into the hospital and was found covid positive, and they died, they were put into that statistic as having died of covid, even if covid was not the true cause of death. I read of one guy who was hit by a car, but his death was listed as covid death.
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That's an answer to a question I didn't ask. Concentrate.
 
gino said:
There have been numerous examples of people who died WITH covid, but not FROM covid. If someone when into the hospital and was found covid positive, and they died, they were put into that statistic as having died of covid, even if covid was not the true cause of death. I read of one guy who was hit by a car, but his death was listed as covid death.
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That's a myth.
It's was started by people that don't understand the medical system.
 
gino said:
There have been numerous examples of people who died WITH covid, but not FROM covid. If someone when into the hospital and was found covid positive, and they died, they were put into that statistic as having died of covid, even if covid was not the true cause of death. I read of one guy who was hit by a car, but his death was listed as covid death.
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That is simply not true, at least in general. I am sure there are isolated examples of all kinds of hanky panky, but when you fill out a death certificate you have to list the primary cause of death first, then contributing factors. If someone died in a car accident covid would not be listed as the primary cause of death.
There is way too much misinformation out there, way too many conspiracy theories. Its unbelievable to me that people swallow this crap.
 
gino said:
There have been numerous examples of people who died WITH covid, but not FROM covid. If someone when into the hospital and was found covid positive, and they died, they were put into that statistic as having died of covid, even if covid was not the true cause of death. I read of one guy who was hit by a car, but his death was listed as covid death.
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And yet the global and national numbers are undercounted.

In the cases of India, China and perhaps Russia the undercounting runs into the millions.
 
Ethel2 said:
That is simply not true, at least in general. I am sure there are isolated examples of all kinds of hanky panky, but when you fill out a death certificate you have to list the primary cause of death first, then contributing factors. If someone died in a car accident covid would not be listed as the primary cause of death.
There is way too much misinformation out there, way too many conspiracy theories. Its unbelievable to me that people swallow this crap.
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I think this got started because the health departments in counties have to track covid cases .
So.. the media/people... would see three columns.
Infected.. recovered died.

In other words.. they had to follow infected people until they either recovered (hence not infectious) or or died (again.. not infectious).

If someone who is infected with covid dies of a car accident... there is obviously no need to continue to track them.. and do they get listed as "died".

I think that is where these myths started.
 
jaeger19 said:
I think this got started because the health departments in counties have to track covid cases .
So.. the media/people... would see three columns.
Infected.. recovered died.

In other words.. they had to follow infected people until they either recovered (hence not infectious) or or died (again.. not infectious).

If someone who is infected with covid dies of a car accident... there is obviously no need to continue to track them.. and do they get listed as "died".

I think that is where these myths started.
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It actually started in the warped minds of people living in a fantasy world. These people look for “facts” to support their fallacious beliefs, and the idiots from Fox “news”, OAN, and Newsmax feed them misinformation that they are only too happy to absorb as fact.
 
year2late said:
Are you saying Biden should have kept us locked down? Are you saying that Biden should strap people down and make them take the vaccine? By blaming Biden, those are the things you are implying.

You cannot look at data with a narrow mind set.

And like I have said, this disease is an exponential nightmare. Too bad more people do not take advantage of immunization.

BTW, at the bedside, the people we primarily see critically ill with covid now are the unvaccinated. The few vaccinated people we see that have serious covid disease that are vaccinated - have significant immune system issues by virtue of disease or medication.
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Not only that, but the unvaccinated are increasingly white/consertative
 
Today my newspaper was comparing the 1 million deaths to other things that have killed millions of people.

However, they did not mention Communism which has killed over 100 million.
 
Metric Mouse said:
So... he did worse on every meaningful measure?

Pretty much my point.
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Since you will never comprehend the importance of R-naught and differentiating between case rate and hospitalizations......what is the point?

Trump handed off an nation being tossed over a cliff. And you pretend like it is easy to stop.

I mean hell....if his (mostly) poor handling wasn't enough....he had to sprinkle insurrection on top.
 
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