• Please read the Announcement concerning missing posts from 10/8/25-10/15/25.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

[W:611]Covid's toll in the U.S. reaches a once unfathomable number: 1 million deaths

No, I clearly stated 'rising'. The US isn't unique among the world's nations where very few saw a significant drop in infection rates. Don't forget that Omicron came along to take over from Delta where cases did decline. Omicron was far more infectious and spread much more rapidly than Delta. It also managed to evade immune systems much more efficiently than Delta:
Something else to remember; when the media were falsely trumpeting the demise of Covid people got complacent, dropped masks and safety measures. You can't blame Biden for the actions of the individual.
MM seems to think that if Biden says “don’t cross the street-the light is green” and you do it anyway, getting run down by a car, it’s somehow Biden’s fault you became a human pancake.
 
Dude..CPAC made a GOLDEN STATUE to the man.
And you think I am the one with Trump derangment syndrome? LMAO
I could care less what CPAC did. I am not into political think tanks. And again, I had no knowledge of a statue.
Look at you.. any criticism of trump and you come unglued with "its TDS".. because you cannot take anyone criticizing "Dear Leader".
Heck.. well established conservative republicans like Liz Chaney and Mitt Romney.. that ACTUALLY have conservative cred.. are now considered "rino;s".
"Dear Leader"? I never saw him that way. I did not even like the man before he ran in 2016, and even then not until the 2nd debate against the hildabeast. As for Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney as established conservatives, that's not accurate. They are establishment Republicans, however they are not established conservatives. Republican Party registration does not make them conservative.
Conservative ideology?
Hmmm..
So was it the conservative ideology of family values and personal responsibility and integrity that made you vote for a man who not only cheats on his wife with porn stars... but uses campaign funds to pay her off?
I voted for and support Trump over campaign positions and promises he made in the 2016 campaign. Just to name a few: Tax cuts, Reduction of corporate taxes and Capital Gains taxes, the repeal and replacement of NAFTA, which devastated my local economy for decades, pulling the US out of the insanely stupid nuke deal with the Iranians, getting us out of the Paris Climate Accord, Build the Wall, etc. As for Trump's philandering habits prior to running for president, you libruls thought that was nobodies business when Clinton was president. Why should it be an issue now?
 
I could care less what CPAC did. I am not into political think tanks. And again, I had no knowledge of a statue.

"Dear Leader"? I never saw him that way. I did not even like the man before he ran in 2016, and even then not until the 2nd debate against the hildabeast. As for Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney as established conservatives, that's not accurate. They are establishment Republicans, however they are not established conservatives. Republican Party registration does not make them conservative.

I voted for and support Trump over campaign positions and promises he made in the 2016 campaign. Just to name a few: Tax cuts, Reduction of corporate taxes and Capital Gains taxes, the repeal and replacement of NAFTA, which devastated my local economy for decades, pulling the US out of the insanely stupid nuke deal with the Iranians, getting us out of the Paris Climate Accord, Build the Wall, etc. As for Trump's philandering habits prior to running for president, you libruls thought that was nobodies business when Clinton was president. Why should it be an issue now?
Of course..you don't care what the " CONSERVATIVES:" that you are ideologically in lock step with did?
Or are you upset you didn't get to kiss its golden feet.
So you voted for unneeded tax cuts that blew up the deficit. ( there goes fiscal responsibility)
NAFTA..? Okay. Though since Trump is a moron and a liberal..you should know it was going to be crap. Which it was.
The nuke deal makes conservative sense.
Building the wall..just a giant waste of taxpayers dollars. . Again there goes fisxcal responsibility..

Since I am a conservative..Clinton's philandering is why in part I didn't vote for him.
The same with trump..plus the fact he is no conservative and was/ is an utter moron. With zero integrity or honesty.
 
Of course..you don't care what the " CONSERVATIVES:" that you are ideologically in lock step with did?
Or are you upset you didn't get to kiss its golden feet.
You seem quite obsessed with CPAC. Means nothing to me.
So you voted for unneeded tax cuts that blew up the deficit. ( there goes fiscal responsibility)
The suggestion that any income tax cuts blow up the deficit is librul ignorance
NAFTA..? Okay. Though since Trump is a moron and a liberal..you should know it was going to be crap. Which it was.
NAFTA was signed into law in 1994 by Bill Clinton. Trump is the one that got rid of it.
The nuke deal makes conservative sense.
It made no sense whatsoever. It was moronic.
Building the wall..just a giant waste of taxpayers dollars. . Again there goes fisxcal responsibility..
You sound like someone who does not want effective control of our southern borders.
Since I am a conservative..Clinton's philandering is why in part I didn't vote for him.
You are not a conservative and I seriously doubt you have ever been one.
The same with trump..plus the fact he is no conservative and was/ is an utter moron. With zero integrity or honesty.
You can attempt to spin it any way you like, however the positions and promises Trump ran on in 2016 fit right in with the conservative principles in the Republican party platform. Establishment RINOs like Romney and the late McCain largely ignored it. Same with McConnell and others like him. They would just dust off the platform at election time and then toss it aside when safely re-elected. That was the secret to Trump's success in 2016. He tapped into a populist conservative movement that had pretty much had it with establishment politics. Or do you think Trump is some sort of "pied piper"?
 
You seem quite obsessed with CPAC. Means nothing to me.

The suggestion that any income tax cuts blow up the deficit is librul ignorance

NAFTA was signed into law in 1994 by Bill Clinton. Trump is the one that got rid of it.

It made no sense whatsoever. It was moronic.

You sound like someone who does not want effective control of our southern borders.

You are not a conservative and I seriously doubt you have ever been one.

You can attempt to spin it any way you like, however the positions and promises Trump ran on in 2016 fit right in with the conservative principles in the Republican party platform. Establishment RINOs like Romney and the late McCain largely ignored it. Same with McConnell and others like him. They would just dust off the platform at election time and then toss it aside when safely re-elected. That was the secret to Trump's success in 2016. He tapped into a populist conservative movement that had pretty much had it with establishment politics. Or do you think Trump is some sort of "pied piper"?
You are a "conservative " but you don't know what CPAC is????
By the way
The tax cuts blew up the deficit.
Actually I want effective immigration control. Illegal immigrants come here for jobs. Start with the employers that hire them. If they can't get jobs they won't come at all.
Most illegals by the way come LEGALLY across the border..then stay..
"When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave."

Funny. Liz Chaney and Mitt Romney have true conservative republican credibility.

Trump was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009!!!!
"Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his 2016 campaign for president.:

The tds us strong in you...you bought in. Hook line and sinker!!
 
You are a "conservative " but you don't know what CPAC is????
You have a very indoctrinated opinion of what a conservative is. Conservative ideology does not require following or membership in alleged conservative think tanks. Conservatism is an ideology, not a club. The republican party does claim to be conservative and does have a conservative party platform, however it's just for trotting out in campaign seasons. With few exceptions, Republican congress critters do not abide by it. Point is, registration in the republican party does not make you a conservative.
The tax cuts blew up the deficit.
Nope. Deficit spending blew up the deficit, Income tax cuts actually creat more tax revenue, not less.
Most illegals by the way come LEGALLY across the border..then stay..
If you are referring to those who overstay their visas, they are also a problem.
Funny. Liz Chaney and Mitt Romney have true conservative republican credibility.
Only in the minds of RINOs who think that mere registration in the republican party makes you a conservative.
Trump was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009!!!!
And Ronald Reagan started out as a democrat. What's your point? Nobody can change? Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon once said: "I did not leave the democrat party, it left me."
The tds us strong in you...you bought in. Hook line and sinker!!
My conservative ideology is strong in me. Had Trump campaigned in 2016 as a leftwinger and espoused left wing stances, I would have wanted nothing to do with him. I am sure that deep down, you understand that.
 
You have a very indoctrinated opinion of what a conservative is. Conservative ideology does not require following or membership in alleged conservative think tanks. Conservatism is an ideology, not a club. The republican party does claim to be conservative and does have a conservative party platform, however it's just for trotting out in campaign seasons. With few exceptions, Republican congress critters do not abide by it. Point is, registration in the republican party does not make you a conservative.

Nope. Deficit spending blew up the deficit, Income tax cuts actually creat more tax revenue, not less.

If you are referring to those who overstay their visas, they are also a problem.

Only in the minds of RINOs who think that mere registration in the republican party makes you a conservative.

And Ronald Reagan started out as a democrat. What's your point? Nobody can change? Ronald Reagan, a conservative icon once said: "I did not leave the democrat party, it left me."

My conservative ideology is strong in me. Had Trump campaigned in 2016 as a leftwinger and espoused left wing stances, I would have wanted nothing to do with him. I am sure that deep down, you understand that.
1. Naw. I just watch folks like yourself call themselves conservative when they have no clue what conservative is.
Trump was and is no conservative.
2. No Brandon ..tax cuts generally do increase the deficit. The Trump tax cuts obviously did as the economic facts show.
If tax cuts create more revenue than they lose...why not then make the tax rate 0%.
That would increase the revenue right?

Explain if you can.

4. Um.. yeah..they are the main problem. The wall is a waste of money. Stop the jobs for illegals will stop illegal immigration.
5. Naw.. you don't even know Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney s conservative cred.
You just know they went against your dear leader.
6. Or people can tell you what you want to hear.. like Trump. And Reagan to some extent. Wait..people can have radical changes in their thought processes. It's called BIPOLAR.
7. You are not a conservative if you believe Trump is conservative. Face it
.you DO worship the man and the golden idol. That's why you think real conservatives are RINO S.
And you can't abide anyone criticizing Trump...and so you lash out with...: "you have "TDS".
LMAO.
 
1. Naw. I just watch folks like yourself call themselves conservative when they have no clue what conservative is.
Trump was and is no conservative.
I's you that does not know what a conservative is. To you it's party registration.
2. No Brandon ..tax cuts generally do increase the deficit. The Trump tax cuts obviously did as the economic facts show.
Every income tax going all the way back to JFK's tax cut actually increased revenue. I would explain the math to you, however I don't think you will allow your attention span to take it in. I'll just say that you need to learn that deficit spending blows up the deficit
If tax cuts create more revenue than they lose...why not then make the tax rate 0%.
That would increase the revenue right?
Wrong. Research the Laffer Curve.

  • If taxes are too high along the Laffer Curve, then they will discourage the taxed activities, such as work and investment, enough to actually reduce total tax revenue. In this case, cutting tax rates will both stimulate economic incentives and increase tax revenue.
  • https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp
4. Um.. yeah..they are the main problem. The wall is a waste of money. Stop the jobs for illegals will stop illegal immigration.
Only in the midset of those who do not want our borders enforced. You for instance.
5. Naw.. you don't even know Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney s conservative cred.
They have none. Especially Romney, No conservative would have come up with or signed into law the concept of Romneycare, the forebearer to Obamacare.
You just know they went against your dear leader.
So much TDS on your part. Why refer to him as "Your dear leader"? You are just butthurt that anyone supported or still supports Trump. He is quite obviously your boogeyman.
6. Or people can tell you what you want to hear.. like Trump. And Reagan to some extent. Wait..people can have radical changes in their thought processes. It's called BIPOLAR.
Trump and Reagan not only told me what I wanted to hear, they followed through after they were elected.
7. You are not a conservative if you believe Trump is conservative. Face it
Whatever he is, he campaigned on conservative principles and then followed through after he was elected. I had a wish list when I voted for him. He accomplished most of it and what he did not accomplish, it was not for lack of trying.
.you DO worship the man and the golden idol. That's why you think real conservatives are RINO S.
And you can't abide anyone criticizing Trump...and so you lash out with...: "you have "TDS".
LMAO.
You are badly losing this argument and you are trying to save face by projecting. If you do not like the term TDS, ease off on your obsession of the man. He's out of office and should not still be living in your head rent free.
 
I's you that does not know what a conservative is. To you it's party registration.

Every income tax going all the way back to JFK's tax cut actually increased revenue. I would explain the math to you, however I don't think you will allow your attention span to take it in. I'll just say that you need to learn that deficit spending blows up the deficit

Wrong. Research the Laffer Curve.

  • If taxes are too high along the Laffer Curve, then they will discourage the taxed activities, such as work and investment, enough to actually reduce total tax revenue. In this case, cutting tax rates will both stimulate economic incentives and increase tax revenue.
  • https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

Only in the midset of those who do not want our borders enforced. You for instance.

They have none. Especially Romney, No conservative would have come up with or signed into law the concept of Romneycare, the forebearer to Obamacare.

So much TDS on your part. Why refer to him as "Your dear leader"? You are just butthurt that anyone supported or still supports Trump. He is quite obviously your boogeyman.

Trump and Reagan not only told me what I wanted to hear, they followed through after they were elected.

Whatever he is, he campaigned on conservative principles and then followed through after he was elected. I had a wish list when I voted for him. He accomplished most of it and what he did not accomplish, it was not for lack of trying.

You are badly losing this argument and you are trying to save face by projecting. If you do not like the term TDS, ease off on your obsession of the man. He's out of office and should not still be living in your head rent free.
1. Obviously Not..lol. Trump is the party now. Which is why true conservatives have been left by the party.. you are in the TRUMP party.
2. And every tax cut going back increased the deficit because the increase in revenue was not more than what was lost due to the tax cut. I already gave you the link that explains the math.
If you are right why not make taxes zero.
Dude you know right that on the Laffer Curve if taxes are to low..deficits would increase right because revenue is hurt.
That's why tax cuts have increased the deficit. Taxes have never been high enough that it was hurting revenue.
3. Nope. See that's the tds in you. The wall is a huge waste of money. Being against it doesn't mean
." Open borders"
Seriously ..how indoctrinated can you be?
Being against it means you are for efficiently EFFECTIVE means of protecting our borders.
4. See..look at your TDS. Tell you what..tell me why romneycare isn't conservative. You don't even know what it is.
5. Actually I just laugh at those that support Trump..especially if they call themselves " conservatives". You guys LOSE YOUR MINDS over Trump.

6. He campaigned on hate and fear. Not on conservative values.
7. Naw. You lost it before you began ..with you whining about " TDS"
 
1. Obviously Not..lol. Trump is the party now. Which is why true conservatives have been left by the party.. you are in the TRUMP party.

2. And every tax cut going back increased the deficit because the increase in revenue was not more than what was lost due to the tax cut. I already gave you the link that explains the math.
I am not in any party. I am a conservative independent who votes for conservative candidates. I left the republican party over 30 years ago. And no, the republican party is not the Trump Party. Trump merely represents the conservative voting base.
If you are right why not make taxes zero.
You are attempting to deflect the argument with a goofy strawman rant.
Dude you know right that on the Laffer Curve if taxes are to low..deficits would increase right because revenue is hurt.
Yes., I do, which is why I mentioned the laffer curve to answer your silly 0% tax rant. I expected you to intellectualize it at least a little bit.
That's why tax cuts have increased the deficit. Taxes have never been high enough that it was hurting revenue.
You are making it up as you go along. Taxes have frequently been high enough to hurt revenue. That's why tax cuts have in effect increased tax revenue. You need to learn to differentiate between tax revenue and deficit spending.
3. Nope. See that's the tds in you. The wall is a huge waste of money. Being against it doesn't mean
." Open borders
You are making no sense whatsoever. How is a barrier that helps prevent illegals from sneaking over the border a waste of time? Why don't you just be intellectually honest and admit that you do not want border enforcement?
Seriously ..how indoctrinated can you be?
Hopefully you were looking in a mirror when you typed that.
Being against it means you are for efficiently EFFECTIVE means of protecting our borders.
Again, you are making no sense whatsoever.
4. See..look at your TDS. Tell you what..tell me why romneycare isn't conservative. You don't even know what it is.
RomneyCare is basically the Massachusetts version of Obamacare. And Obamacare is a major disaster.
5. Actually I just laugh at those that support Trump..especially if they call themselves " conservatives". You guys LOSE YOUR MINDS over Trump.
You libruls are losing your minds over anyone at all supporting Trump. He is living in your heads 24/7 rent free. To put it bluntly, he beat you in 2016 and he is still beating you. That you are so worked up over Trump nearly a year and a half after he left office suggests that you don't really think you won anything significant in 2020.
6. He campaigned on hate and fear. Not on conservative values.
No, he campaigned on pretty much the following: Lower federal income taxes, reducing corporate taxes including capital gains taxes, energy independence, fair trade including ditching NAFTA, pushing our NATO partners to ante up and pay their fair share, getting us out the insanely stupid Iranian nuke deal. I find no hate or fear in any of that.
7. Naw. You lost it before you began ..with you whining about " TDS"
I am not whining about TDS. I am just pointing it out when it shows up. TDS is libruls like you still whining about Trump nearly a year after he left office.
 
I am not in any party. I am a conservative independent who votes for conservative candidates. I left the republican party over 30 years ago. And no, the republican party is not the Trump Party. Trump merely represents the conservative voting base.

You are attempting to deflect the argument with a goofy strawman rant.

Yes., I do, which is why I mentioned the laffer curve to answer your silly 0% tax rant. I expected you to intellectualize it at least a little bit.

You are making it up as you go along. Taxes have frequently been high enough to hurt revenue. That's why tax cuts have in effect increased tax revenue. You need to learn to differentiate between tax revenue and deficit spending.

You are making no sense whatsoever. How is a barrier that helps prevent illegals from sneaking over the border a waste of time? Why don't you just be intellectually honest and admit that you do not want border enforcement?

Hopefully you were looking in a mirror when you typed that.

Again, you are making no sense whatsoever.

RomneyCare is basically the Massachusetts version of Obamacare. And Obamacare is a major disaster.

You libruls are losing your minds over anyone at all supporting Trump. He is living in your heads 24/7 rent free. To put it bluntly, he beat you in 2016 and he is still beating you. That you are so worked up over Trump nearly a year and a half after he left office suggests that you don't really think you won anything significant in 2020.

No, he campaigned on pretty much the following: Lower federal income taxes, reducing corporate taxes including capital gains taxes, energy independence, fair trade including ditching NAFTA, pushing our NATO partners to ante up and pay their fair share, getting us out the insanely stupid Iranian nuke deal. I find no hate or fear in any of that.

I am not whining about TDS. I am just pointing it out when it shows up. TDS is libruls like you still whining about Trump nearly a year after he left office.

Bottom line.

One president did everything in his power to educate people on COVID, vaccines and other CDC recommendations.

The other president was Trump.

Period.
 
No, I clearly stated 'rising'. The US isn't unique among the world's nations where very few saw a significant drop in infection rates. Don't forget that Omicron came along to take over from Delta where cases did decline. Omicron was far more infectious and spread much more rapidly than Delta. It also managed to evade immune systems much more efficiently than Delta:
Something else to remember; when the media were falsely trumpeting the demise of Covid people got complacent, dropped masks and safety measures. You can't blame Biden for the actions of the individual.
Yeah, more people died under Biden. Lots of people didn't wear masks or get vaccines under Trump, but fewer died. They both had the same issues (except Biden inherited falling case rates and vastly higher vaccination rates, which should have made things easier.)
We can't blame presidents for individual's actions, but we can compare their broad response and see how effective they were. Biden was less effective. Hundreds of thousands of more people dead.
 
Yeah, more people died under Biden. Lots of people didn't wear masks or get vaccines under Trump, but fewer died. They both had the same issues (except Biden inherited falling case rates and vastly higher vaccination rates, which should have made things easier.)
We can't blame presidents for individual's actions, but we can compare their broad response and see how effective they were. Biden was less effective. Hundreds of thousands of more people dead.
Reasons why have been given.

Intentional ignorance noted.
 
Reasons why have been given.

Intentional ignorance noted.
Yes, the same reason Trump gave.

No good reasons, just reasons to avoid blaming your cult leader.
 
Nope.

Fail again.
No one has failed as hard as Biden. He had more people take vaccines, fewer Covidiots and still killed 200,000 more people than Trump. How does one even do that?

He wouldn't even send a hospital ship to states that requested them. Even Trump managed to do that much from his golf course.

Look, if Biden had done just as badly as Trump, we could all say "yeah, there's nothing anyone could do." But he didn't do as badly as Trump, he did far, far worse. And Trump did pretty awful, even considering he had fewer people take vaccines and more Covidiots in the country.
 
No one has failed as hard as Biden. He had more people take vaccines, fewer Covidiots and still killed 200,000 more people than Trump. How does one even do that?

He wouldn't even send a hospital ship to states that requested them. Even Trump managed to do that much from his golf course.

Look, if Biden had done just as badly as Trump, we could all say "yeah, there's nothing anyone could do." But he didn't do as badly as Trump, he did far, far worse. And Trump did pretty awful, even considering he had fewer people take vaccines and more Covidiots in the country.
what don't you get about this disease being an exponential nightmare.

Perhaps you can read up on R-naught and why the numbers are greater.

And like I have said before, the vaccine does not prevent the infection. Those with immune issues (by disease or medication)can still get fatally ill with the disease despite vaccine.

BTW, there are still plenty of unvaccinated. Only 66 percent are fully vaxed. And of those only 31 percent are boosted
 
what don't you get about this disease being an exponential nightmare.

Perhaps you can read up on R-naught and why the numbers are greater.

And like I have said before, the vaccine does not prevent the infection. Those with immune issues (by disease or medication)can still get fatally ill with the disease despite vaccine.

BTW, there are still plenty of unvaccinated. Only 66 percent are fully vaxed. And of those only 31 percent are boosted
Yes, again, Trump dealt with all these issues. And still more people died under Biden. Neither handled covid well, but one has done objectively worse by every meaningful measure. 1 million dead, and people still think the presidents did well. Just stupid.
 
Yes, again, Trump dealt with all these issues. And still more people died under Biden. Neither handled covid well, but one has done objectively worse by every meaningful measure. 1 million dead, and people still think the presidents did well. Just stupid.
What don't you get about R-Naught?

If 5 become 25

Then 25 million becomes 125 million..

It is a well, duh, the case rate is high now.

YOu do understand the vaccine does not prevent acquiring covid, it helps prevent serious disease from covid. That is why case rates are up yet hospitals are not overwhelmed with patients.
 
No one has failed as hard as Biden. He had more people take vaccines, fewer Covidiots and still killed 200,000 more people than Trump. How does one even do that?

He wouldn't even send a hospital ship to states that requested them. Even Trump managed to do that much from his golf course.

Look, if Biden had done just as badly as Trump, we could all say "yeah, there's nothing anyone could do." But he didn't do as badly as Trump, he did far, far worse. And Trump did pretty awful, even considering he had fewer people take vaccines and more Covidiots in the country.

I bolded the opinion based on intentional ignorance.
 
No one has failed as hard as Biden. He had more people take vaccines, fewer Covidiots and still killed 200,000 more people than Trump. How does one even do that?

He wouldn't even send a hospital ship to states that requested them. Even Trump managed to do that much from his golf course.

Look, if Biden had done just as badly as Trump, we could all say "yeah, there's nothing anyone could do." But he didn't do as badly as Trump, he did far, far worse. And Trump did pretty awful, even considering he had fewer people take vaccines and more Covidiots in the country.
A trolling we will go..a trolling we will go..hi ho the dairy-o..a trolling we will go..
 
Just another useless statistic. The covid numbers have been a joke since the beginning. How many of these were deaths while having covid, not of dying from covid?
 
Back
Top Bottom